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Offline Perry Rose

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Matt Kania's Ringmaster prototype.
« on: August 10, 2020, 08:28:52 AM »
  Did the prototype Ringmaster have the polywog airfoil or did Sterling create that to save balsa? If not what airfoil did Kania use for the prototype?
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Re: Matt Kania's Ringmaster prototype.
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2020, 10:52:38 AM »
i dont ever remember seeing a Sterling Ringmaster with polywag airfoil

one of the Chief's had a polywag airfoil
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Re: Matt Kania's Ringmaster prototype.
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2020, 01:16:32 PM »
i dont ever remember seeing a Sterling Ringmaster with polywag airfoil

one of the Chief's had a polywag airfoil

  The inner ribs on the Ringmaster S1 are pollywogs, seemingly to fit existing tapered trailing edge stock, and the concavity goes away as you go toward the tips. I doubt it had anything to do with saving balsa, because the die patterns don't seem to take advantage of it.


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Re: Matt Kania's Ringmaster prototype.
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2020, 07:17:11 AM »
Am I to believe that no plans or evidence exists as to the original airfoil used on the Ringmaster prototype? If not we could use any airfoil and be legal for OTS.
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Re: Matt Kania's Ringmaster prototype.
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2020, 11:11:54 AM »
It is sometimes required to "fill in the blanks" on some OTS designs, unless authentic published plans exist.  Case in point: the NOBLER seems to have several "authentic" versions, which are permitted in OTS events.  Even GMA reported that he drew up NOBLER plans "from memory" because the original model was in storage somewhere else..

Many very early designs have documentation which could come into question.  Rather than dismiss the design as unworthy of OTS, some guesswork should be permitted, as long as it is done in the spirit of the event, and keeping with design ideas of the period.
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Re: Matt Kania's Ringmaster prototype.
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2020, 04:43:16 PM »
Am I to believe that no plans or evidence exists as to the original airfoil used on the Ringmaster prototype? If not we could use any airfoil and be legal for OTS.

If you and any contest directors that you encounter feel that an obvious deviation from what is generally accepted as Ringmaster "airfoils" complies "with the spirit of the event" as suggested by the PAMPA OTS rules, then feel free to do so.  Some officials might feel otherwise.

Any obvious deviation from the generally accepted Ringmaster airfoil probably would or should not be acceptable for a "Ringmaster Only" event.

One question comes to mind.  Unless you plan to fly only for sport, why bother?

If you are looking for something that flies better than a stock Ringmaster, build something else.

However, "stock" Ringmasters can be built to fly very well.  Look at what the West Coast guys and what Joe Gilbert have done with their stock Ringmasters with real stock Ringmaster airfoils.

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Re: Matt Kania's Ringmaster prototype.
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2020, 08:08:16 PM »
If you are looking for something that flies better than a stock Ringmaster, build something else.

I think this profundity can be applied to many forms of human endeavor.  All I can think of now, though, is jazz, which Jim Aron is trying unsuccessfully to get me to appreciate.  Namely, if a song isn't good enough for you as written, play something else.
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Re: Matt Kania's Ringmaster prototype.
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2020, 08:59:56 PM »
All I can think of now, though, is jazz, which Jim Aron is trying unsuccessfully to get me to appreciate.  Namely, if a song isn't good enough for you as written, play something else.

   That is a real conundrum, given that (arguably) the best jazz album of all time was "written", if you could call it that, in the car on the way to the studio, and was recorded in one or two takes, primarily with sight reading or improvisation. Essentially, they had some chords that Miles Davis happened to like, he wrote them down, play a few bars, and the rest of them just made it up as they went along. That kind of virtuosity happens *very rarely*. Lots of them are like that, Paul Desmond's "Le Souk" solo was only recorded once, near as I can tell, and no one even attempts to match it, it is unique and untouchable. I just wish they had a decent tape recorder.

      Think of it this way - the entire group is Mozart, why bother writing it down first? That's also why most jazz records (and in fact, most records of any type) are crap.

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