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Design => Stunt design => Topic started by: Ty Marcucci on December 23, 2011, 05:16:32 PM

Title: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: Ty Marcucci on December 23, 2011, 05:16:32 PM: Amazing how things can be drawn in two dimensions, but are impossible to do in three.... H^^
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: Tim Wescott on December 23, 2011, 05:22:42 PM: Clearly you're supposed to cut the elevator into four sections: one on each side of the fuselage inboard of the vertical stabs, and a pair outboard of the vertical stabs.
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: Avaiojet on December 24, 2011, 10:44:58 AM: Ty,

Please if you don't mind, a bit more info on your "I" beam?

Material, liminations, and your cord thickness?

Nice work, looks like you build fast?

CB
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: jim gilmore on December 24, 2011, 01:20:31 PM: Ty, why should the rudder be equal above and below ?
I thought the rudder should be balanced according to the c/g - c/l of the aircraft horizontally.
Not 100% sure if I am saying it clearly.
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: rustler on December 24, 2011, 01:24:48 PM: Also, what's to say they are too big? That's really for the designer to choose.
I ask because my new world beating F2B also has twin fins that look too big!
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: John Kelly on December 24, 2011, 03:40:01 PM: ...not the only one that liked 'em that way. Any one know who the cat is behind Charlie?
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: EddyR on December 24, 2011, 05:32:00 PM: Quote from: Avaiojet on December 24, 2011, 10:44:58 AM
Ty,

Please if you don't mind, a bit more info on your "I" beam?

Material, liminations, and your cord thickness?

Nice work, looks like you build fast?

CB
Looks like a standard I beam wing to me. It might take you two days if you are slow but TY could build it in a afternoon.
EddyR
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: EddyR on December 25, 2011, 05:47:52 AM: Ty Nice to see you got the flap horn in there. How many times have you forgot it? ~^
Ed
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: john e. holliday on December 25, 2011, 08:45:26 AM: Looks like modified Olympic to me.
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: Avaiojet on December 25, 2011, 12:09:37 PM: Quote from: Ty Marcucci on December 24, 2011, 05:43:03 PM
Short tail wheel strut, equals high rudders. By the by, I have a kit of the Ballerina, any one want to buy it? 85.00 plus postage in the lower 48 takes it. After Christmas. H^^

Ty,

Got a photo of that Ballerina kit? If I like it, would you trade graphics, lettering or paint mask?

Your "I" beam, is it laminated?

CB
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: Avaiojet on December 25, 2011, 02:04:58 PM: Ty,

Your photo, looks like you have plywood laminated on the spar about 5 to 6 ribs out? Is that plywood?

I would like to see a photo of that Ballerina? Sounds nice. Wingspan?

Cb
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: Mark Scarborough on December 25, 2011, 04:09:30 PM: CB, a quick search netted this thread with pictures in it of the Ballerina,,

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=3367.0
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: Avaiojet on December 25, 2011, 04:25:57 PM: Quote from: Mark Scarborough on December 25, 2011, 04:09:30 PM
CB, a quick search netted this thread with pictures in it of the Ballerina,,

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=3367.0

Mark,

Thanks for that, I appreciate it.

Looks like the Ballerina was designed with the Aircoupe in mind. Not extremely attractive, IMHO, but still a nice classic. Painted properly would help the appearance.

I wonder if the model has real ribs or Ares wing type of setup?

I would trade for it.

CB
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: Dennis Adamisin on December 25, 2011, 04:26:51 PM: Ty
I agree the plans look odd, however, perhaps the elevator outboard of the rudders is fixed - that it is just a joint line not a hinge line. That would make the movable elevator limited to between the rudders. Does it look like that would be enough elevator?

In any case I prefer the mods you are making: equal over/under and moved out to the tips...
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: Steve Helmick on December 29, 2011, 02:01:35 PM: Quote from: Ty Marcucci on December 24, 2011, 02:29:25 PM
This is not "my" I-beam, but a design by Ron Peterson in Ohio. I don't know him, but purchased this on ebay from him about 6 years ago.
H^^ D>K

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=23124.0 (http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=23124.0)

I'm wondering if this might be the same Ron Peterson that posed with the Mackey Spitfire in the magazine article? It would be neat to find out! y1 Steve
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: EddyR on January 20, 2012, 12:03:18 PM: Some of the Ballerina's had a very fat nose and jet pod wheel pants that I thought was ugly. The Ballerina 3 had the narrow nose and normal wheel pants. It looked much better. I saw quite a few Ballerina's in the day and the rudders always looked to big. ~^ Saw one with triple rudders %^@ that were much smaller and it looked great. Here it is with the narrow nose.
Ed
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: John Kelly on January 20, 2012, 12:35:10 PM: ...BALLERINAS
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: Tom Niebuhr on January 31, 2012, 06:27:17 AM: Ed,
Thanks for using my "Ballerina" picture. It is from an old slide I took at the "61 Willow Grove Nats. Here it is in a format that will enlarge. I am adding a second picture, that is slightly out of focus. That airplane would be front row today.
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: Mike McHenry on February 28, 2012, 08:25:19 AM: Ty, any update on your plane? I've been looking forward to seeing it all assembled.
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: Dennis Adamisin on March 05, 2012, 11:23:33 AM: Ty:
THat is REALLY looking good. SOunds like a pretty good sized bird too. How's the weight coming out?
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: Mike McHenry on March 09, 2012, 10:15:10 AM: Looking good Ty,
The stablets on the side of the rudders are interesting. Were they on the plans or something you added for taste? I am certaintly interested to hear how she flies. Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: Ty Marcucci on March 24, 2012, 02:53:26 PM: In basic paint. More to do, but it's getting to look like a plane.
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: Mike McHenry on April 09, 2012, 05:03:25 PM: Hi Ty, anything new to report? Any chance it's been in the air?
Title: Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
Post by: Mike McHenry on April 10, 2012, 05:21:56 AM: You could leave it pink, put the breast cancer logo on it and call it good and go fly!