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Brodak Bearcat
« on: April 15, 2015, 02:21:45 PM »
I thought this is a better place for this build. It was under Building tech http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php/topic,38482.0.html
Here is where I am now.
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Re: Brodak Bearcat
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2015, 02:24:09 PM »
More.  The wing is not glued in,just fitting it. <=
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Re: Brodak Bearcat
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2015, 10:29:51 AM »
Looking good Eddy

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Re: Brodak Bearcat
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2015, 01:37:47 PM »
Pat Johnston design. Pat does nice work. I've watched him fly Bearcats since the 80s. The always fly well.
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Re: Brodak Bearcat
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2015, 05:01:19 PM »
   Randy you are correct. There are a few changes on the Brodak kit but I have fallowed Pats suggestions. There are a few mistakes in the kit compared to the plans. The kit fuselage is like the Pat design but the kit plans are very different in the engine cowl.I also used 3/8 palsa for the front of the fuselage not laminated 1/4 sheet to the 3/32 sides. The plane is very close to the Rabe Bearcat but with a larger stab and thicker wing. Also equal wing panels. I spent a lot of time today shaping the stab profile,sand,sand,sand ;D
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Re: Brodak Bearcat
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2015, 05:07:13 PM »
Eddy,

At some point, Pat changed from his sorta-Rabe airfoil to an Impact airfoil and was pretty happy with the results. Pat has built several Bearcats over the years and they usually fly pretty well.
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Re: Brodak Bearcat
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2015, 03:48:58 PM »
Wing and stab finished and first coats of dope on them.
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Re: Brodak Bearcat
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2015, 06:31:13 PM »
Just a update on the Bearcat with the old Rabe Bearcat in the background.
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Re: Brodak Bearcat
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2015, 05:44:09 AM »
Very nice Ed. Can't wait to see it fly.

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Re: Brodak Bearcat
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2015, 09:13:14 AM »
WOW...if that don't get the old building juices fired up, what will? H^^
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Re: Brodak Bearcat
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2015, 09:47:14 AM »
Eddy,

Looks like some real neat framing!

Nice job with the fillets also.

Covering looks tight.

Destined to be a great looking model!

Blue like your other Bearcat?
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Re: Brodak Bearcat
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2015, 11:47:17 AM »
This one will be orange like the Al Williams Bearcat. http://hsfeatures.com/f8frw_1.htm
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Re: Brodak Bearcat
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2015, 12:28:13 PM »
Eddy,

Nice! I should have guessed that.

My all time best aircraft to model is the Al William's Gulfhawk G-22, has the same color scheme.

I have the graphics for that Al William's Bearcat, but not scaled for the Brodak Bearcat kit.

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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2015, 05:08:41 PM »
That would help painting the double color stripe. It is going to be a double reverse paint job on the stripes as I do not want to paint white over the orange.
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Re: Brodak Bearcat
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2015, 08:47:45 PM »
 Looking good Eddy. I'd like to get a good look at the top view outlines, could we get a good photo from straight above? I've got one of these kits and a NIB Saito .56 on my shelf, looking at yours here has me thinking... ;D
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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2015, 03:45:31 PM »
Looking good Eddy. I'd like to get a good look at the top view outlines, could we get a good photo from straight above? I've got one of these kits and a NIB Saito .56 on my shelf, looking at yours here has me thinking... ;D
The kit has full size plans top and side view but here is a shot from the bottom of mine. I think your motor will be to heavy even with the short nose of the Bearcat.
 Mine weighs 38 ounces with every thing on it except the tank and gears doors. My engine weighs 9.1 ounces with muffler.
 I was going to use a 46-51 engine it it but it is so light I have one of my Rustler/40's in it. I can put a ST/46 in if needed. It balances with the light motor in it. I spent a huge amount of time reshaping and building a new rudder as the kit one was to big and heavy. The rudder will get mounted just before color as it is in the way all the time.  HB~>
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Re: Brodak Bearcat
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2015, 06:12:15 PM »


 Overall the semi-scale proportions look much better on yours than they do on the poor quality box art photos. I'm sort of "re-interested" in mine now. ;D

 Thanks Eddy!
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Re: Brodak Bearcat
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2015, 03:21:34 PM »
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 I looked up a the Saito 56 and it is listed at 15 ounces. My ST.46 with a stub weights 9.6 and the Rustler is 9.1 with muffler. The Bearcat is a small model with 565 sq" so you would be in the 56+ounces.  I saw Brian Moores with a 60 RE in it but did not see it fly. It weighted 56 ounces. The classic Rabe Bearcat is larger but has a much thinner airfoil. The Rabe classic one flys OK up to 57 ounces. A LA 46 would be a good combination.  It would look good with a 4 cycle in it.
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Re: Brodak Bearcat
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2015, 05:16:47 PM »
Eddy, could you share with us how you run your Rustler 40?  What is your set-up?  Thanks...
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« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2015, 05:51:26 PM »
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 I have two very early ones. When I first had them I tried 25% castor fuel. Flame out all the time. I went to 20% oil half and half. Much better but still some problems. Later I used 18% oil with 25% of it castor. The cheaper the fuel the better they ran. 15% no castor run fine. Also I started with classic props like a 10/6 and that did not work well at all. Later on smaller classic models I used a 10x4 and ran the motors very fast and that is how they like to run. I have used 11/4 wood and 11.75x 4.25 carbon props and they work fine. The power comes on as the RPM goes up. Since there is no bushing on the crank I thought it would wear out quick put neither seems to have any wear in them. I had one in my JD Falcon and it flew just as well as the ST/46. I left the .46 in as the plane needed the nose weight. On smaller classic models I clean up 11x 4 props cut down to 10.5x4. I also added a oil return grove to the case to get fuel to the crankshaft for lubrication.
  I also gave up on the oddball needle valve that came with the motor as it took up to much room and I went with a standard NV assembly. Years ago I bought one used from someone in New England,Was that you Bill?? ;D
 The Rustler seems to have power similar to the Evolution .36
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Re: Brodak Bearcat
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2015, 07:17:38 PM »
Hi, Ed, ok, thanks for the great info!  Yes, I think I sold one to you years ago...but now have another, and looking forward to "copying" your success!
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« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2015, 09:35:39 PM »
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 I looked up a the Saito 56 and it is listed at 15 ounces. My ST.46 with a stub weights 9.6 and the Rustler is 9.1 with muffler. The Bearcat is a small model with 565 sq" so you would be in the 56+ounces.  I saw Brian Moores with a 60 RE in it but did not see it fly. It weighted 56 ounces. The classic Rabe Bearcat is larger but has a much thinner airfoil. The Rabe classic one flys OK up to 57 ounces. A LA 46 would be a good combination.  It would look good with a 4 cycle in it.
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 Thanks for the info Eddy. I've got a few NIB Saito .40's too, I guess I'll just have to decide whenever the Bearcat lands on the workbench. ;D
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« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2015, 07:27:59 PM »
I have been on a lot of trips this summer so I just got back to this. All is now covered with tissue and almost ready for color.
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« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2015, 06:30:25 PM »

 Lookin' good Eddy! y1
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Re: Brodak Bearcat
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2015, 02:22:54 PM »
Eddy,

I can't believe how fast you put that Bearcat together!  LL~

Nice clean work everywhere.

Any dihedral on that model?

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« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2015, 02:33:27 PM »
Here is a long lost method of attaching a canopy that I have used since the 1950's I have a 50 + year old stunt model that used this method and it is still tight today. I use CELASTIC.  it was developed in the 1920's. It comes in sheets and you cut it in straight lines. Brush lacquer thinner on it and it is so soft you can tie knots in it. It will bond to dope and the soft material the our canopy's are made of. It will not come loose as it becomes part of the material it is bonding to. Very much stronger than any glue. If you are slow it will take you five minutes to do the job. I have done scale models with it but this Bearcat is a stand off model with no real detail. The canopy inside is a used military look with little detail. It can be sanded like balsa and a little spackle will take out the body seam. I add it to the paint line and leave a small bump at the glass area just like the real plane. Here it is rougher in. 
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« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2015, 08:43:19 PM »

 I use CELASTIC.
 

Where can you get Celastic?  SIG used to sell something like that.

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« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2015, 10:48:01 PM »

 Is it me or did you not paint the cockpit area before you attached the canopy?  ???
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« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2015, 04:44:57 AM »
 I painted the cockpit area like a photo I have of used military Bearcats. I have a large book on the Barcat and most of them were black with grey primer on them. The primer wore off and they looked shaded in spots. It was a attempt to stop sun glare.Some were painted dark blue like the rest of the plane. I have two pictures of private planes and some are painted inside the canopy but most are not.
  I do remember where I got the last piece of Celastic. I think it was 12" square ,cost maybe a dollar. Sig, hobby shop?
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« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2015, 06:29:48 AM »
Where can you get Celastic?  SIG used to sell something like that.

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« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2015, 03:58:40 PM »
I see you used dihedral. Cool. Pat's used it for years and it works really well.
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« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2015, 05:07:27 PM »
Randy    It is a Brodak kit but it is built to Pats spec. I lessened the dihedral to 3/4" from the kit's 1" as Pat suggested.  I need to replace the canopy as it has a bad spot in one side, Bummer. I will see it Bridak has one before I remove it. Had to build a custom tank as the nose is to short for any standard tank.
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« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2015, 10:27:10 PM »

 How's the Bearcat coming?
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« Reply #33 on: August 27, 2015, 02:02:17 PM »
Painted the orange yesterday and sanded it lightly today. The orange is thin in some places but it is flat and smooth. No more is going on as this has been a real effort to keep this plane under 50 ounces. Trim and clear in a few days.
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« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2015, 06:20:17 AM »
Nice! Can't wait to see it fly!

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« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2015, 08:26:54 PM »

 Ok, I might just be stupid here, but I don't get this one. In reply #25 you've already got the canopy attached and the cockpit area is all in grey. Then, in reply #33, the cockpit area is all red orange like the rest of the airplane. You must have removed the canopy at some point or...? ???
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« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2015, 05:17:36 AM »
See post #31
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« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2015, 06:07:32 PM »
Starting the trim.
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« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2015, 07:27:06 PM »
See post #31

 Got it. Lookin' good Eddy! y1
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« Reply #39 on: September 02, 2015, 07:10:26 AM »
That is looking great Ed!
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« Reply #40 on: September 02, 2015, 07:38:14 PM »
Looks good Eddy!!!!
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« Reply #41 on: September 03, 2015, 11:03:52 AM »
It's certainly orange. Looks good and should show up well.
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« Reply #42 on: September 03, 2015, 12:13:22 PM »
looking sharp,, cant wait to hear how it flies for you
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« Reply #43 on: September 03, 2015, 02:40:48 PM »
More done today. Thank goodness the original plane did not duplicate the the paint design from top to the bottom of the wing. The bottom is mostly lettering.
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« Reply #44 on: September 03, 2015, 03:07:05 PM »
Looks really good Eddy. Hope if flies as well as it looks.
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« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2015, 06:06:05 PM »
Here is where we are now after a large repair to lifting orange on the nose. The original plane had no design on the bottom  of the wing but I went ahead and did the bottom of the wing to match the top.  There is no clear on it yet. I need wheels, ink striping,and lead out done then clear. 
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« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2015, 10:02:40 PM »
looks nice,, how long before you plan to maiden it?
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« Reply #47 on: September 17, 2015, 07:02:23 PM »
Finished except for leadouts. Weight 49-50 oz. I may have to much tip weight and spinner weight in it so it is not going to get any heaver maybe lighter. I can switch from the ST/46 to Rustler/40 and loose one ounce in the nose. Equal span wing panels so I am starting with plenty of tip weight.
 The blue Rabe Bearcat weights 72 oz and has a thin wing and flies quite well.
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« Reply #48 on: September 18, 2015, 07:22:53 AM »
Wow! Came out great, and at a really good weight too! Can't wait to hear how she flies.  #^

This one ought to be a real fun bird to fly. Stay off that middle turbulent circle for your maiden, heh heh.  n~

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« Reply #49 on: September 18, 2015, 09:17:11 AM »
Way to go Eddy!  Now I have Bearcat envy...
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