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Offline John KruziK

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« on: March 08, 2013, 03:11:50 PM »
With the perky event happening again, it's time to get my perky flying. The problem is fuel tank. With the fox 15, there isn't room for tank. Is it possible to build a tank from something other than metal, to use space under motor mounts? thanks
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Re: perky
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2013, 11:10:40 AM »
Might try a balloon tank similar to what Minnesota Modeler uses on his 1/2A's.   
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Re: perky
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2013, 01:41:39 PM »
You don't need a huge tank to do 40-50 seconds with a 15. The Perky has enough volume for batteries, a coil, and all the ignition stuff.
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Re: perky
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2013, 06:40:07 PM »
I didnt make top of fuse. removable, so now there isn't alot of room between engine and former.
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Re: perky
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2013, 08:56:36 PM »
Post a picture of your engine bay looking back towards the potential tank locations.

A balloon tank might work as long as it's not under pressure (illegal). An aluminium foil lined fibreglass tank is a possibility, especially with alcohol resistant epoxy. Mike North in the UK makes glasscloth tanks (sans foil lining) with that kind of epoxy for glow powered team racing. I have no idea where to get it, though.

My Perky has its tank space under the wing and between the bearers. The UC mount/former is only half-depth, up to the underside of the bearers. The top shell's front former has a square hole in it to let half the tank live under the wing and half in the space behind the engine.
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Re: perky
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2013, 09:29:07 AM »
On lthe balloon tank, you don't put enough fuel in it to make it a pressure tank.   Done right it has  consistent engine run from start to empty.
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Re: perky
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2013, 02:21:57 PM »
On lthe balloon tank, you don't put enough fuel in it to make it a pressure tank.   Done right it has  consistent engine run from start to empty.

Hi, Doc...
My Perkey never got finished because of this indecision. Baloon tank sounds like just the ticket, (even though my fuse opens up)
I take it a 1-1.5 oz. balloon with a 1/2" aluminum 'nipple' that necks down to the fuel line diameter is the recommended practice?

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Re: perky
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2013, 09:37:00 AM »
Well I would suggest you do a search for balloon tanks in the 1/2A section or contact Minnesota Modeler who is a member here.   I use silicone tubing, two peices on a copper tube,  the tube fits the neck of the balloon.  The peice of silicone tubing in the balloon goes the depth of the balloon.   I have notches/holes cut in the tubing.   The tubing out side the balloon goes to needle valve nipple of course.  When filling the balloon try to suck all the air out of it.  Then put in the fuel.  Invariably there will be an air bubble that when balloon is held right can be sucked out with the syringe.  Pinch off fuel line and hook to engine.  The balloon should not be putting any pressure on the fuel when in the fuel tank area.   It takes practice getting the right amount of fuel in the balloon and the air out.   When the engine uses up all the fuel you will find a collapsed balloon waiting to be filled again.   I did the tets on the bench before putting in the plane.   Needle settings stayed vey consistent.
John E. "DOC" Holliday
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Re: perky
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2013, 09:55:57 AM »
In my experience, bladders, pacifiers, and balloons, along with the necessary protective enclosure, always end up taking more space than a hard tank designed to fit.  In addition, they go bad with fuel irritation and must be replaced frequently.  Sure they have their place, but they're not the cure for cramped tank space.
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Re: perky
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2013, 05:29:30 PM »
Thanks, guys...as the plot thickens... More to think about, though.


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