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Speed,Combat,Scale,Racing => Speed Talk => Topic started by: wwwarbird on October 25, 2006, 05:40:50 PM
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Howdy all,
I'm planning on designing and scratchbuilding a sport model that will look a lot like the old speed ships, with the enclosed upright engine and streamlined fairing. I could really use some good photos to get the ideas flowing.
For now, I'll only offer one clue...a Veco .60 and a needlenose spinner will be involved. y1
Thanks!
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Wayne,
This is a spped ship my grandfather built in the 60's. It is sized for a Veco 29R, but you could always build a larger one for a 60. The wing is solid balsa carved to an airfoil shape and fiberglassed.
cheers,
Ken
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Thanks Ken.
Hello? Hello? Is anybody else out there??? ;D
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yes i am here all the plane pictures i have are at http://community.webshots.com/user/mathison205
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Now we're talkin'! Thanks Joey, looks like I'll have to spend some time on that one. ;D
What I'm mainly looking for is some ideas for a project I've got in mind, It's gonna be cool! y1
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Hey Warbird - didn't know you were into speed.
I have at least three planes from the late 50s/early 60s that I can photograph for you.
A Dizzy Bee with a Fox .29X, a Kansas Twister with a Super Tiger ball bearing .29 and a proto speed plane set up for a Dooling .29. The original engine is gone but I recently found a brand new one that I will break in and put in the proto.
The three planes will, of course, be converted to two-line.
I also came across a rat racer and two team racers, one is a George Moir Rambler.
I'll get some pictures on here soon.
Bob Z.
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Thanks Bob, I'm not a speed flyer, but I AM up to something. >:D I need to get a look at a bunch of the old style speed ships with the upright, enclosed engines for some reference and ideas in designing what will be a .60 powered ship. ;)
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Not RC by any chance?
Will Stewart
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Nope-you won't see any R/C models from this guy!
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what is this r/c that you guys are talking about
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Hi Joey,
A long time ago, in a galaxy far away (1968, New Jersey) I laid out an RC speed job for another builder with time on this hands. It penciled out at 300+ in a straight line, but the builder wisely chickened out and sold his two Dooling 61s.
Thought that the idea was resurfacing.
Regards, Will
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OK guys, I'll let ya in on this one. Many Stunt "gurus" may think it's stupid, but here's the deal...I don't care. ;D
What I'm doing is designing a Stunt/Sport model that will "look" like one of the old speed ships, with the enclosed engine, straight, tapered, symmetrical wing, and minimal vertical fin/rudder. I don't think I'm even going to bother with flaps. It will have a 48" to 50" wingspan, with about a 1 3/4" airfoil, aluminum L/G and be powered with a very nice running Veco .60 I have sitting around. This model WILL motor! I already have the paint scheme figured out in my head and it's gonna be WAY cool. I am only planning on building this model to have FUN with, I'm not expecting to go kick Werwage's butt. ;)
Now, any more pictures?
Thanks! y1
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How about the Big Job. This one has an inverted engine (Fox 59). Looks good in the air.
Kinda like a big Proto ship.
John Tate
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john that is a cool looking plane does it stunt?
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Great pics John, Thanks!
Turn that fuselage upside down from what it is, and it wouldn't be too far off of what I'm thinking. **)
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Wish I had some video of the Big Job flying. Charlie Reeves flys the old time stunt pattern with the Big Job like it is on rails.
John Tate
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John...any idea where the plans for the "Big Job" came from? I wrote Tony N. and asked, "No". Then suggested they get it drawn up for PAMPA plans, but he didn't seem interested. Maybe it's been published in FM since then? n~ Steve
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WWWarbird...what you're planning to build sounds an awful lot like a Hal deBolt "Stuntwagon 60". I think Hal used a Mac .60 and flew the pattern at around 100 mph, at least that's the legend. I will state, however, that sound (i.e., lots of it) will make a model seem faster than it really is. The reverse is also true. y1 Steve
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I have actually seen deBolt fly his Stuntwagon with an Atwood Glo-Devil at 100 + mph. You have to realize at that time all the stunt people thought it was important to fly VERY fast. Also ex AMA pres John Grigg quite fast with a Hornet 60. In case my buddy Roger V. is reading this, he had one of the wind up handles on it and could really nail inverted flight.
Larry Lundy
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I have a CD of all the US speed models with the building articles from the magazines.
see my web site;
old magazine plans on CD
www.cpinternet.com/~tawilk36