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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2021, 06:08:19 PM »
Two layers of silk and Deft Wood Lacquer Sealer slopped on, finger rub, and the wing halves are good to go.

Dried with my heat gun. Minutes.
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2021, 06:00:42 AM »
progressing fast, lovely plane Charles!

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #52 on: December 17, 2021, 10:30:01 AM »
progressing fast, lovely plane Charles!

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Thank you. I'm currently working on the bell crank mount.

I'm deciding if I should have a removable wing, R/C style??

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #53 on: December 17, 2021, 10:57:23 AM »
Poor quality cowling photos from plans.
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #54 on: December 17, 2021, 02:37:09 PM »
I try to use masking tape or elastic bands before gluing parts. Just to be sure.

I'm thinking 1 degree incidence for the wing and 1 degree fuselage offset.



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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #55 on: December 19, 2021, 07:22:10 AM »
Bell cranks! Why does there have to be bell cranks.

I really hate installing these things, especially when the height is just about the same as the horn.
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« Reply #56 on: December 19, 2021, 10:38:02 AM »
Bell cranks! Why does there have to be bell cranks.

I really hate installing these things, especially when the height is just about the same as the horn.
To crank the bells.  What other reason could there be? ???

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« Reply #57 on: December 20, 2021, 04:11:58 PM »
I'll be in Florida for six days so progress will stop on the TEXACO 13. Bummer! ;D

However, I have managed to align and glue the fuselage in place. I did a stab opening for later after some sheeting is applied. Elevator horn worked out for me after all thanks to Perry's photo.

Lots of work building scale models from scratch.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #58 on: December 21, 2021, 07:22:34 AM »
No motor mount in the above photos. I just epoxied the motor mount this morning.

Photo at 11.00.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #59 on: December 24, 2021, 05:52:11 AM »
No motor mount in the above photos. I just epoxied the motor mount this morning.

Photo at 11.00.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #60 on: December 24, 2021, 03:38:38 PM »
Scale isn't quick.
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #61 on: December 29, 2021, 01:53:54 PM »
I put the bell crank in place permanently. It's not really neat, so no photo. ;D

On a more colorful note, it's time to consider graphics. Callie? Yes, I'm kidding.  LL~

Not much on line at the resolution I need to make me happy. Stickers are available but not in the size I need.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #62 on: December 31, 2021, 08:55:06 AM »
Gotta be careful not to damage anything. Just another thing to fix.

I hate lead outs not hidden in the wing.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #63 on: January 01, 2022, 08:45:42 AM »
Nice work Charles.👍

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #64 on: January 02, 2022, 04:26:14 PM »
Nice work Charles.👍

Thank you.

You do nice work also.

I hope I put the bell crank in there before I sheeted?  n~

Former lineup. As long as I'm within a half inch.

I hate doing tail wheels. I always wonder if they are strong enough.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #65 on: January 02, 2022, 11:01:41 PM »
What will you power this with?
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #66 on: January 03, 2022, 12:04:57 PM »
What will you power this with?

Kevin,

It'll be electric although it's built where it could be IC also.

I was going to go Badass, 3520 790, I believe the numbers are.

But still looking.

Charles

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #67 on: January 03, 2022, 03:56:05 PM »
Kevin,

It'll be electric although it's built where it could be IC also.

I was going to go Badass, 3520 790, I believe the numbers are.

But still looking.

Charles
Charles, that is a lot of motor for that small a plane but you probably need the weight.  I think the 35xx series has three maybe 4 sizes.  you might want to wait and get the one that is the right length unless you have already measured.  A bunch of us here are using the smaller 3515-710.

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« Reply #68 on: January 03, 2022, 04:49:57 PM »
Charles, that is a lot of motor for that small a plane but you probably need the weight.  I think the 35xx series has three maybe 4 sizes.  you might want to wait and get the one that is the right length unless you have already measured.  A bunch of us here are using the smaller 3515-710.

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Ken,

Thank you for your thoughts and for sharing information. It's appreciated.

Here's the thing as you noticed, short nose moment, and a 7" diameter round cowling. I'd like to turn a 13" prop so the model appears to be more scale. I'm told the 3520 will do this with no issues. Fits nicely also because it's offered with a extra long shaft. I'll need an extension for the prop thrust line.

It is a scale model but it has a stunt Smoothie wing. So it won't be just flying level.

7" cowling or not, limited space for the onboard stuff. A 2200 pack will fit vertical behind the firewall which will work well with the 3520.

The Badass stuff is badass expensive. This is why I'm looking and considering advice.

Thanks again.

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« Reply #69 on: January 03, 2022, 08:01:16 PM »
Ken,

Thank you for your thoughts and for sharing information. It's appreciated.

Here's the thing as you noticed, short nose moment, and a 7" diameter round cowling. I'd like to turn a 13" prop so the model appears to be more scale. I'm told the 3520 will do this with no issues. Fits nicely also because it's offered with a extra long shaft. I'll need an extension for the prop thrust line.

It is a scale model but it has a stunt Smoothie wing. So it won't be just flying level.

7" cowling or not, limited space for the onboard stuff. A 2200 pack will fit vertical behind the firewall which will work well with the 3520.

The Badass stuff is badass expensive. This is why I'm looking and considering advice.

Thanks again.

Charles
Only thing cheaper that I would use is a 3520 Cobra.  Not that much though.  They have prop charts that include lots of 13-15" props so you should be fine.  If you are not going to compete with it in PA which is probably beyond the planes capability anyway, save money on the timer.  A Hubin would work fine.

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« Reply #70 on: January 03, 2022, 10:56:39 PM »
Only thing cheaper that I would use is a 3520 Cobra.  Not that much though.  They have prop charts that include lots of 13-15" props so you should be fine.  If you are not going to compete with it in PA which is probably beyond the planes capability anyway, save money on the timer.  A Hubin would work fine.

Ken
Ken,

This motor was suggested by Mark. Priced nicely.

https://www.altitudehobbies.com/collections/35mm-series/products/leopard-3542-7t-780kv-brushless-airplane-motor

This suggestion by Mark also.

https://www.cobramotorsusa.com/motors-2826-12.html

I still need a bolt on shaft of extra length.

Badass offers one so I have to check the measurements yo see if it will bolt onto either of these. * bucks for the longer shaft.

Thanks for the reply.

Charles
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« Reply #71 on: January 03, 2022, 11:26:14 PM »
Ken,

This motor was suggested by Mark. Priced nicely.

https://www.altitudehobbies.com/collections/35mm-series/products/leopard-3542-7t-780kv-brushless-airplane-motor

This suggestion by Mark also.

https://www.cobramotorsusa.com/motors-2826-12.html

I still need a bolt on shaft of extra length.

Badass offers one so I have to check the measurements yo see if it will bolt onto either of these. * bucks for the longer shaft.

Thanks for the reply.

Charles
I had a Cobra 2826/12.  Powerful and it's longer which may be of benefit.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #72 on: January 04, 2022, 07:20:28 PM »
I had a Cobra 2826/12.  Powerful and it's longer which may be of benefit.

Ken

Ken, I'm out of town currently visiting my wife's friends without my PC and photos. No photos tonight.

When I get back, I'll take a few photos of the cowling so you can see the issue I'm facing. I have to put a fake radial in the cowling or the model will look horrid. The reason I need a longer shaft.

Thanks for the reply. I'll check that Cobra out.

Charles
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« Reply #73 on: January 05, 2022, 07:37:13 PM »
Ken,

Here's the cowling, 7" in diameter.

As you can see, the front is recessed. All of that front recess get's removed and allows for a great looking fake radial. ;D

I do need a longer prop shaft so the motor is as far behind the opening as possible to allow for the fake radial.

That recess is .25" then add another .25" for the prop thrust line forward of that, factor in the prop thickness, washer and a decent amount of threads holding everything together.

Yikes! So, the longer the better and I prefer a bolt on.

Charles
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #74 on: January 07, 2022, 12:02:33 PM »
Charles, will you be using Masks, or stencils on this plane? Or will you go the vinyl sticker route?

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« Reply #75 on: January 07, 2022, 01:29:36 PM »
Charles, will you be using Masks, or stencils on this plane? Or will you go the vinyl sticker route?

Kevin,

We both know the short cut is applying vinyl then the final coat of clear.

The graphics are a bit of a way off but to think about finishing, while the build is taking place, is a good thing.

If I use masks/tape and painted everything, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. You would have to get really really close.

Now here's another thing. The model could be finished and cleared then the vinyl graphics could be applied.

Best why if you take making repairs down the road. I expect to fly this one.

Thanks for the reply.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #76 on: January 07, 2022, 01:51:14 PM »
Charles I'm glad to see you going full bore on another plane. Especially interested in the finishing part. Doing Scale or semi scale models really adds to the work that needs to be done. Glad your going to fly it too! Myself, if i wanted a model that i dont fly i would go back to building the plastic ones! 😁

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #77 on: January 07, 2022, 03:44:12 PM »
Kevin,

We both know the short cut is applying vinyl then the final coat of clear.

The graphics are a bit of a way off but to think about finishing, while the build is taking place, is a good thing.

If I use masks/tape and painted everything, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. You would have to get really really close.

Now here's another thing. The model could be finished and cleared then the vinyl graphics could be applied.

Best why if you take making repairs down the road. I expect to fly this one.

Thanks for the reply.

Charles

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #78 on: January 07, 2022, 06:07:42 PM »
Charles - If you are going to fly this one, do yourself a favor and take it for a spin as soon as it is airworthy.  I hate it when I have to dig out the #11 on a finished plane!  The biggest one for me is to make sure the thrust line is right.  It really sucks when you have to move the spinner after blending it in.  You don't have that problem but, no oil = no problems with flying it first, then finishing.

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Ken,

Yes, no finish on this model until it flies. The finish can come well after.

I have the CG and plenty of elevator movement which is adjustable, so it should fly well, plus a Smoothie wing.  Weight? I have to get a battery for the scale I have. Then I can weigh things.

I believe I put the cowling photo up. I'm still looking at sizes and performances for a motor.

The Badass 3520 is the only one so far which has a long prop shaft available.

I'm going to take a look at the hole pattern to see if it fits other motors which are less expensive.

Ken, as always, thanks for the reply.

Charles

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #79 on: January 07, 2022, 06:15:59 PM »
Charles I'm glad to see you going full bore on another plane. Especially interested in the finishing part. Doing Scale or semi scale models really adds to the work that needs to be done. Glad your going to fly it too! Myself, if i wanted a model that i dont fly i would go back to building the plastic ones! 😁

Kevin,

Understandable.

I have a long history of building models and selling them. Way back, I did have an interest in flying and flew a great deal, but not so much now. 35 degrees today.

There are some CL guys near me and they did reach out. Maybe I'll hear from them again? But I know someone who is in contact with them.

Yes, I'm trying to move fast on the TEXACO 13. If anyone has preowned equipment I could use in great shape, let me know.

Thanks for the reply.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #80 on: January 08, 2022, 03:06:25 PM »
I had no choice but to stop the build to make the instrument panel and "limited" cockpit detail.

Sheeting is next. if I add more detail to the cockpit it can be done after the sheeting of the cockpit side area.

Scale building is a killer.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #81 on: January 09, 2022, 10:24:16 AM »
Patterns for all sheeting, just to be sure.

No need to make a mistake using contest grade balsa.
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #82 on: January 10, 2022, 06:04:45 PM »
More progress.
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #83 on: January 11, 2022, 09:12:52 AM »
What did you attach the paper to the parts with?

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #84 on: January 11, 2022, 09:27:48 AM »
More progress.
You need a bowlegged pilot figure! 

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #85 on: January 11, 2022, 12:56:43 PM »
What did you attach the paper to the parts with?

Kevin,

Thanks for the reply.

That's construction paper from any CVS. After you fiddle with the cardboard to your liking, simply place i on the balsa and draw the outline.

With many parts, it's easier to use contact adhesive with paper. Tracing many thin paper pieces is a challenge.
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The cardboard is a bit thicker and has body.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #86 on: January 11, 2022, 12:58:35 PM »
You need a bowlegged pilot figure! 

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Ken,

It's amazing how tight a fit it is for the pilot on the actual aircraft.

No viewing room either.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #87 on: January 11, 2022, 03:07:17 PM »
Apparently he had a seat that went up and down so he could taxi.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #88 on: January 13, 2022, 08:20:29 AM »
Apparently he had a seat that went up and down so he could taxi.

Craig

Craig,

I never read this anywhere? Where did you come by this information.?

Sounds reasonable. However, I know of no tail draggers which had a seat that elevates.

I learned to fly in a tail dragger and it was an issue, but you get used to it.

Warbirds?

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #89 on: January 13, 2022, 08:24:05 AM »
I'm just throwing photos out there in no real order. See what sticks.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #90 on: January 13, 2022, 08:27:55 AM »
A few more photos.
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #91 on: January 14, 2022, 01:15:39 PM »
Apparently he had a seat that went up and down so he could taxi.

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I'm not sure about that. I looked at a few photos I have, plus a great book with a few photos of the pilot on board.

The pilot's head just about hits the canopy, which BTW, slides forward.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #93 on: January 14, 2022, 03:57:44 PM »
The same website has a great view of the dash as well.
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #94 on: January 15, 2022, 10:20:47 AM »
The same website has a great view of the dash as well.

Craig,

What a guy!

I never knew about this website. however, I do have most of the photos in a file, including the instrument panel.

Thanks again.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #95 on: January 15, 2022, 03:45:19 PM »
Tail wheel stuff and bottom sheeting completed. The entire model is sheeted.

Bent the tail wheel wire twice because I wasn't excited with the first.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #96 on: January 18, 2022, 04:52:20 AM »
looking goo Charles! great model subject, will be a pleasant sight!

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #97 on: January 18, 2022, 08:26:21 PM »
looking goo Charles! great model subject, will be a pleasant sight!

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Thank you.

I'll get some recent photos up on Saturday.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #98 on: January 22, 2022, 02:19:11 PM »
mucho progreso amigos!

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #99 on: January 28, 2022, 02:50:07 PM »


I made a decision on which motor to use on the TEXACO 13.

I purchased the Badass 3520 and an extra long prop adapter plus a 13" prop.

I need these things to set the cowling. I hope these photos aren't small.

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