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TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« on: December 11, 2018, 10:15:25 AM »
Well, by popular demand, looks like I'm going to move forward and do a Build on my TEXACO 13 project. I've already posted some information here and there.

A really slow build to play it safe.  ;D   Not sure where to place the Thread yet?

Semi-Scale in appearance but it will stunt, probably not the pattern, but R/C throttled for unlimited touch n goes. Just a colorful sport model to have some fun with.

Fun.  #^

I've had this aircraft on my mind since the late 80's. It's about time I did something about it.

Aircraft and my drawing.


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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2018, 10:35:17 AM »
Ought to be an interesting project. Post pics as you go.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2018, 11:00:14 AM »
Looks like it should more than qualify as a scale airplane for a contest.  It should fit very nicely in the sport scale category.  If not it will compete in the Fun Scale category.  Looks like you are going to model it after an airplane you own.  If so good color photos should be a snap.  If it will do loops and wing overs it will be a slam dunk on the flight score.  Go to the AMA site and look at the rules.  I have flown some scale.  Great bunch of people.  Really fun contests.  Also lots of info in the scale section of this forum.   #^   #^   y1
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2018, 11:07:49 AM »
Hi Charles....here's a little something to wet your appetite!  Cast iron baby.  I've noticed that it doesn't seem to be very floaty! LOL
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2018, 11:40:26 AM »
That full scale original, the Travelaire Mystery Ship, hangs  in the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry.  I’ve thought to do it myself as a full stunter- someday.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2018, 03:11:03 PM »
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Ought to be an interesting project. Post pics as you go.

Gary,

Thanks for the reply.

I will Post photos, that's part of what a build is all about and it adds interest to contributing to the Forum.

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Looks like it should more than qualify as a scale airplane for a contest.  It should fit very nicely in the sport scale category.

John,

Thanks for the reply. Well you know I have little interest in competing, but you never know. My luck, first place will be an ARF, and I won't even make the board.  LL~

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Hi Charles....here's a little something to wet your appetite!  Cast iron baby.  I've noticed that it doesn't seem to be very floaty! LOL

Glenn,

Hey! Hey! Thanks for the reply. I think I have a cast airplane, but can't rember what it is?  n~

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That full scale original, the Travelaire Mystery Ship, hangs  in the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry.  I’ve thought to do it myself as a full stunter- someday.

Dave,

Yes, Chicago, I know that. There's also a dozen photos on line of the aircraft taken there. Many views and living color.

Thanks for the reply.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2018, 04:46:44 PM »

John,

Thanks for the reply. Well you know I have little interest in competing, but you never know. My luck, first place will be an ARF, and I won't even make the board.  LL~



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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2018, 04:15:50 PM »
I never came in first.  That's not the point.  The point is getting together with a great bunch of folks and to see and be seen.   #^

John,

I just saw your reply.

That is really funny.  LL~ LL~
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2018, 06:53:42 PM »
All tail feathers are drawn.

I'll print them to scale and see if I have the balsa needed to make them.

If not,

Ring, ring, "Hello, Tom Morris."

Maybe I'll build the model from the back forward.
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2018, 08:50:58 PM »
Working around this Smoothie ARF wing creates issues, it's not the same aspect ratio as the TEXACO 13.

So Semi-Scale it will be.

Looks like the wing is 1/7 scale and the fuselage is 6.8 scale. And I'm not redrawing the fuselage parts.

I gotta check my math.

On the ground viewed at 300 ft you won't be able to see the difference.

Stab area increased a tad and the wing re-located a bit for better balance.

Same with the gear.

I'd like to see this Thread moved to Scale Models Forum.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2018, 06:35:39 AM »
With your own design and scratch building, you're faced with questions not normally considered when building a stock kit.

For example:

Size of the model and power choice. Engine or motor? 

How much detail will I need with my personal drawings/plans? The more detail the better, possibly. Extra work.

Do I cut this "Smoothie" wing in half and rejoin it for a small dihedral? Looks nicer. Extra work.

Ailerons? Pen lines to represent them or cut them out for a more interesting and scale look? Extra work.

Spring or shocked landing gear? Keeps the model from getting beat up a bit. Extra work.

1/8 or 3/32 gear wire? Weight trade off for strength? Not necessarily.

Removable wheels? Benefits. Extra work.

Wood selection? Totally your own decision. Give up strength for light? Maybe not. Use what wood you have? I like that.

Type of construction? Past building experience and the type of models you have experience building can determine this. Still have to pay attention to wood choice.

Fiberglass parts? Could work in areas depending on the model. May or may not save weight and could or could not offer benefits. Extra work.

Removable rudder and vertical stab? Makes shipping easier, smaller box if the model gets sold. Extra work.

Adjustable elevator or not? Small hatch. Extra work.

HDWE choice? Tom Morris. This one is easy.

Surface and finishing details. How far do you elect to take it? Boring, mild, excessive, or really knock um dead! Extra work.

Could be penalties for the latter. LL~

For those that scratch build scale or semi-scale models,

What have I left out?








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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2018, 01:17:33 PM »
Robart,

Thank you for the move to Scale Models. I won't bet buried as quickly.  LL~

Oh My Gosh!!

I got something on paper!

Tail feather plans.
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2018, 08:19:04 AM »
While a scratch built scale model airplane gets built and progresses or goes together, especially one that is designed by the builder, there are many changes that take place in the process. Changes from beginning to end.

I write notes to myself so I can keep track of the changes and tasks.

I'm curious if others do also?
 
The drawings are important as is the accuracy of part assembly. I cannot believe how many changes I've made to my drawings, which I actually started in 2004, till this day.

I just made a change this morning with the shape of the turtle deck.

If I elect to cut the wing in half for a small dihedral, many fuselage formers will have to be changed, plus the pieces that become the motor mount sides and firewall.

It never ends.

I use different colors in my drawings, makes it a bit easier to keep track of what's going on.




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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2018, 05:04:08 PM »
Spent an hour or so on my little sweetheart's tail feathers, you would be surprised as to what you can accomplish when you glue paper to balsa.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2018, 06:12:46 PM »
All Builds get off to a slow start, drawings, flat cut tail feathers, but I promise the Build will get more interesting.

Faux ribs on all tail feathers.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2018, 06:49:36 PM »
Spent some time this evening fine tuning my plans.

Turtle deck change, to a more scale outline, required the change of a half dozen fuselage formers.

Might just be able to print these plans tomorrow.
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2018, 12:37:29 PM »
I am getting so close to printing out my fuselage formers and close to cutting them.

Scale, what a drag, I wish the formers were a tad simpler.


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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #17 on: December 27, 2018, 07:06:36 PM »
Here's most of the fuselage parts "nested" for printing.

Be different if arranged for laser cutting. I'll glue this stuff to balsa or ply and do the cutting by hand. Finish the edges with a sanding.

Goes quickly because it's fun, I'll do a second sheet for the other parts.



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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2018, 10:50:48 AM »
I printed my TEXACO 13 parts this morning.

Probably print the plans over the weekend.

Thought some color might spark interest.

The TEXACO 13 is a great aircraft to model with an interesting history.

My excitement won't go away. I'm looking forward to paint!
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2018, 04:08:58 PM »
I bit the bullet so to speak and redid the aft fuselage formers as per drawings in the Travel Air book.

Photos of the aircraft seem to back up these cross section drawings.

Sorry about the photos, I use my phone instead of my Nikon. Saves me steps.
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2018, 11:15:23 AM »
Hey Charles.....Merry Xmas and happy New Year to you and yours.  Fascinating as always.  So what is the wingspan on this beauty and what are you thinking of powering her with?
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2019, 11:45:25 AM »
Hey Charles.....Merry Xmas and happy New Year to you and yours.  Fascinating as always.  So what is the wingspan on this beauty and what are you thinking of powering her with?

Glenn,

Thank you and same to you.

2019 will be a great year to build and contribute to the Stunt Hanger Forum.

The wingspan is only 52". I'm using a modified Smoothie ARF wing.

I'm giving power some thought, I'm even considering IC. A vintage racer deserves the smoke and noise.

Scale models, as complicated as they can be with construction and detailing, it's never to early to examine needed HDWE and to address your stash of contest grade balsa for the upcoming project.

Glenn, thanks for the reply!

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2019, 01:59:25 PM »
https://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/forum-connection-problems/


I know you don't pay attention to such things, but Bob is having problems with the site and has been working on it for several days, and posted on the main forum about it. Check out the link above. Maybe you ought to cut back on meaningless photos and help out with the situation, and at least quit loading photos until he gives the all clear.
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2019, 06:34:50 PM »
Charles,
Great build thread, I sent you some photos I took of diecast Texaco's that were on a wall near a job site I went to last year. There are several Texaco's with different paint trims.


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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2019, 09:33:02 AM »
Charles,
Great build thread, I sent you some photos I took of diecast Texaco's that were on a wall near a job site I went to last year. There are several Texaco's with different paint trims.


Best,   DennisT

Dennis,

I've been really busy and haven't checked that email. I have 6 emails.

I'll look today.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2019, 03:36:58 PM »
Dennis,

I've been really busy and haven't checked that email. I have 6 emails.

I'll look today.

Charles

Here's the photos taken by Dennis.

Great collection! My guess is they are glued to the wall?

Thanks again Dennis.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2019, 08:07:17 AM »
I printed my TEXACO 13 parts this morning.

Probably print the plans over the weekend.

Thought some color might spark interest.

The TEXACO 13 is a great aircraft to model with an interesting history.

My excitement won't go away. I'm looking forward to paint!

The picture with the inverted Triplane in back is at the Kalamazoo Air Zoo in Michigan.
The model should fly well & be a chore to paint.
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« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2019, 09:27:25 AM »
The picture with the inverted Triplane in back is at the Kalamazoo Air Zoo in Michigan.
The model should fly well & be a chore to paint.

Paul,

Thanks for the reply and looking in.

That Museum is incredible. They have the TEXACO 13 replica?

By "chore," do you mean time consuming or difficult?

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2019, 09:41:34 PM »
Yeah, Kalamazoo.  In addition to two buildings, they have a CL circle in between.

The Triplane and Buzz Bomb are replicas, but the Futureliner is GENUINE.  One of only few still in exisitance, most likely Number 10 on loan from Auburn Indiana.
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2019, 02:10:53 PM »
Charlie, here are some pics of the late Jack Sheeks "Mistery Ship". He competed with it at the Nats and was on the U S Scale team with it.
Shirley, his wife gave it to me to restore. It's slow going but I hope to have it done by summer with hope's of getting it into the AMA museum.
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2019, 06:21:30 PM »
Allen,
Could you start a thread about this restoration? I'm interested in the model. Jack was a prolific builder and great flyer. Would love to see his flying competition model coming back to it's original condition. As a seasoned US Team member flown flying model it is an important part of CL Scale. Thanks for your efforts, I'm glad you accepted Shirley's request to restore it.
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Charlie, here are some pics of the late Jack Sheeks "Mistery Ship". He competed with it at the Nats and was on the U S Scale team with it.
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« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2020, 05:15:34 PM »
I completed the gear drawing and printed it out. I don't have a printer.

So let me define "printed." I have a vinyl cutter that follows a vector line. It has a blade installed so the machine can cut vinyl.

I remove the blade and install a pen that's designed for my machine. Instead of vinyl I install paper. The results are extremely accurate. I've been doing drawings this way for a long time.

Here's the TEXACO 13 landing gear. Now all I have to do is build both the left and right. Do I see springs there?

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« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2020, 04:52:53 PM »
Time to bend gear wire.

I don't mind bending wire but this time and this particular gear offers challenges.

Good thing wire is inexpensive.

These rear pieces are completed, well almost. There's another couple of tasks needed on them. 3 more pieces per side and some soldering. I'm not looking forward to it.

Ran out of .125" wire also.
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« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2020, 09:50:09 AM »
This is a smoothie wing I'm working with. All I changed was the wing tip outline.

Do I or don't I cut out ailerons? Better look for scale.

Anyway, here's the progress with the landing gear blocks.
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« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2020, 10:10:42 AM »
Test line-up for my spring gear. I can't believe I'll be cutting this wing in half for the dihedral.
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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2020, 10:00:33 AM »
Photos to show progress.
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2020, 01:05:29 PM »
What size wire is that?

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« Reply #38 on: April 19, 2020, 01:35:43 PM »


Craig,

.125" or commonly known as 1/8".

I don't think you'll need gear like this because you're building your Travel Air for stunt

I expect to do many touch n go's even on grass. Only reason I did this.

And because I can.  ;D

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« Reply #39 on: April 20, 2020, 12:34:32 AM »
More progress.

I had these teardrop fiberglass wheel pants for years intended for another model. A Sterling PT-17 actually. Good thing I kept the wheel pants.

As you can see, the shape has been changed dramatically. A bit of heat and removal of material.

Took a bit of time, but not as long if they were made of balsa. They have to come apart for tire replacement, if needed.
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« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2020, 06:16:57 PM »
I'm going to still drop in some photos from time to time and continue with the Thread.

A bit more on wheel pants. These were actually a teardrop shape. Heat and trimming did the trick.
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« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2020, 07:43:20 AM »
Silking the balsa flange.
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« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2020, 01:34:18 PM »
Did a wrap with the silk over onto the fiberglass.
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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2020, 05:40:47 PM »
I might just continue with this TEXACO 13 model.

I do have much of the model completed. Fuselage is the easy part.

I'll decide.
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« Reply #44 on: December 06, 2021, 08:21:07 AM »
Well, I'm back on the TEXACO 13 build.  ;D

I opened the plan file and fine tuned the plans. I should be printing the finished plans by mid week and if lucky, I'll be cutting wood.

I'm excited.

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Re: TEXACO 13 Semi-Scale Build!! Real slow build.
« Reply #45 on: December 07, 2021, 04:43:50 AM »
looking good! great choyce of plane! i am signed here to follow up

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« Reply #46 on: December 07, 2021, 06:23:44 AM »
looking good! great choyce of plane! i am signed here to follow up

Fred,

What a guy!

If your interested in the model, I'll be glad to send you a set of plans with the drawings of the parts, for no charge. I'll also pay the shipping.

Let me know.

Thanks for the reply.

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« Reply #47 on: December 07, 2021, 11:29:50 AM »
Fred,

What a guy!

If your interested in the model, I'll be glad to send you a set of plans with the drawings of the parts, for no charge. I'll also pay the shipping.

Let me know.

Thanks for the reply.

Charles
thanks a lot for the VERY kind offer Charles! right now i have too much on my plate ( smith miniplane to be corrected, Aeronca for 2022 season and a striking project for 23/24 this one will take a lot of effort, but may worth it)
please keep posting the progress! looks great!

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« Reply #48 on: December 11, 2021, 02:39:43 PM »
Not many pieces so far. Designed for electric so you don't need as much strength in wood thickness or choice. More parts to cut.

The paper will peel off if not, a tad of heat will do the trick.

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« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2021, 09:31:45 AM »
More formers.
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