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Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« on: February 21, 2012, 12:17:16 PM »
Hi All,

I have a really nice laser cut short kit of this old Sterling kit.  I know nothing about the actual real plane so any information will be appreciated!  I don't even know the "NAME" of the real plane...........

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2012, 12:37:57 PM »
According to Wikipedia there was a No. 303 "Polish Fighter" Squadron in RAF.  Aircraft flown Hawker Hurricane, Supermarine Spitfire, and a Mustang IV .

Not sure what the Sterling Kit was.
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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2012, 12:40:20 PM »
According to Wikipedia there was a No. 303 "Polish Fighter" Squadron in RAF.  Aircraft flown Hawker Hurricane, Supermarine Spitfire, and a Mustang IV .

Not sure what the Sterling Kit was.


Thanks John!  This "kit" has a decidedly '30s look to the model.  A gull wing "parasol" wing arraignment.  A monoplane, but nt far from the biplanes of WWI.  Open cockpit, etc..

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2012, 12:44:28 PM »
A picture might help.  As far as I know the main-line Polish fighter in WW-II was the PZL-11, which was a shoulder-wing monoplane.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_P.11
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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2012, 12:51:28 PM »
A picture might help.  As far as I know the main-line Polish fighter in WW-II was the PZL-11, which was a shoulder-wing monoplane.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_P.11

Except for the radial engine, that looks like the kit.  I have no picture, the short kit didn't come with any.

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2012, 01:10:32 PM »
This may or may not help but there is a "Vintage Sterling Model" website. Listed is the Polish Fighter, kit #C-5. No pics and not much info however you may be able to contact someone who is knowledgeable about that kit through the site. If I remember correctly it has a gull wing but attached to the fuselage. Not parasol.  8)
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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2012, 01:17:55 PM »
This may or may not help but there is a "Vintage Sterling Model" website. Listed is the Polish Fighter, kit #C-5. No pics and not much info however you may be able to contact someone who is knowledgeable about that kit through the site. If I remember correctly it has a gull wing but attached to the fuselage. Not parasol.  8)

Hi Pete,

True, "Parasol" was a mistake on my part.  Shoulder mounted gull wing.  It is about the rarest of the old Sterling Scale line.  Action Hobbies/Lazer Works makes a nice short kit.

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2012, 02:07:29 PM »
Just did some more research. It is a model of the 1930 Panstwowe Zaklady Lotnicze (PZL)P.1 which was the first fighter of indigenous Polish design. The prototypes had an inline engine, production versions had radial engines. Source is "The Complete Book of Fighter Design". Amazing what you can get for $20.00 at Borders Book Store.  8)
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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2012, 02:28:13 PM »
Except for the radial engine, that looks like the kit.  I have no picture, the short kit didn't come with any.

There were probably V-engine variants.  Try a web search.  Apparently they were a lot better than they looked, there just weren't enough of them (less than 200 I think) to hold off the Luftwaffe in full blitzkrieg mode.  I've got a book somewhere on Polish fighter pilots in WW-II.  It's mostly about what they did in the RAF after the Germans overran Poland, but the first few chapters should have some PLZ stuff.
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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2012, 03:55:58 PM »
Just did some more research. It is a model of the 1930 Panstwowe Zaklady Lotnicze (PZL)P.1 which was the first fighter of indigenous Polish design. The prototypes had an inline engine, production versions had radial engines. Source is "The Complete Book of Fighter Design". Amazing what you can get for $20.00 at Borders Book Store.  8)

Thanks, Pete.  I am hoping to find some references for using this model in some category of Scale.

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #10 on: February 21, 2012, 04:59:49 PM »
More web sites.
http://www.airart3d.com/?p=352

http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww1/pzl1.html

Ebay has models listed

Search PZL.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LTD-PZL-P-11C-1-48-Airplane-Model-Kit-9803-/130651954134?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e6b769bd6

ps http://www.bobsairdoc.com/  Bob's scale dock has 3-view Of the P1 also some color photos of the P 11c.  Don't know how it relates to the P 1.  Get 3 views and photos then buld - modify model to match.
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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2012, 07:24:43 PM »
Here is a good site with a walkaround  of an aircraft in a Polish museum.
http://aircraftwalkaround.hobbyvista.com/pzl11/pzl11.htm

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2012, 01:42:23 AM »
Hi Bill,

PZL P.1/1, I guess was the V powered version.

Check these links, that guy made a beautiful 3D model, super detailed. Truly art.

http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?90391-PZL-P.1-polish-fighter-plane-from-1929

http://www.airart3d.com/?cat=27

http://www.airart3d.com/?p=352#more-352

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2012, 01:47:19 AM »
PZL P.1/1, I guess was the V powered version.
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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2012, 03:03:48 PM »
Bill,

Interesting aircraft o model.

What is the wingspan of your kit?

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2012, 03:20:26 PM »
Bill,

Interesting aircraft o model.

What is the wingspan of your kit?

Charles

Hi Charles,

I haven't measured it yet, but I believe ~36".

It appears to be the rarest of the "C" series Sterling kits which is what first drew me to it.

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2012, 11:01:49 AM »
John Rist sure found some good stuff for that airplane, Bill.
Prettier than I ever imagined it based on my P.11 plastic model experience. Have you come up with a plan, my man?
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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2012, 03:19:56 PM »
I had two of these when I was in high school, circa 1957-58.  I remember them being pretty stable fliers and moderately fast with a Fox .29. Not very aerobatic, but then, neither was I.  I recall the last one met its end when flying at the Dover, DE, fairgrounds and I was doing low passes and hit a small ridge of snow about 18 inches off the ground.  I always thought it was a jazzy looking airplane with those red and white Polish squares.

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2012, 07:44:53 PM »
John Rist sure found some good stuff for that airplane, Bill.
Prettier than I ever imagined it based on my P.11 plastic model experience. Have you come up with a plan, my man?
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Well, Chris, I am looking at the 3 views and photo packs I can find.  Then I will "TRY" to build the short kit I have as close as possible to that.  Then I can figure out how to do the Documentation Package. (I have NO IDEA how to do that! LOL!! )

I hope you are doing well. ;D

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2012, 08:02:09 PM »
Well, Chris, I am looking at the 3 views and photo packs I can find.  Then I will "TRY" to build the short kit I have as close as possible to that.  Then I can figure out how to do the Documentation Package. (I have NO IDEA how to do that! LOL!! )

I hope you are doing well. ;D

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What class do you plan to shoot for.    I take it the kit is a built up body. I am guessing 509 CL Sport Scale. 
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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2012, 10:40:07 PM »
What class do you plan to shoot for.    I take it the kit is a built up body. I am guessing 509 CL Sport Scale. 

Hi John,

I don't know WHICH class I will be shooting for with this kit.  I have been working off and on on a Sterling Great Lakes which I am hoping to enter in Sport Scale.  It will be a bit before it is ready to fly, but it is a simple build.  For the Polish Fighter, I don't know how close it is, to start with, to actual Scale.  I feel I can build it to match the 3 views that I end up with so I just don't know.  Flying stunt is a lot simpler! LL~ LL~ LL~

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2012, 05:56:27 AM »
Hi John,

Flying stunt is a lot simpler! LL~ LL~ LL~

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2012, 01:36:52 PM »
According to the "Vintage Sterling Models" website plans have been preserved. As far as I can tell their wareabouts and availability are not mentioned. Still, contacting them may yield a set of plans. I have not seen them listed elsewhere.  If it is like the Waco Biplane (which I built a long time ago), it will be a good sport scale candidate. 8)
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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2012, 06:08:01 PM »
The PZL gull-wing design was very innovative for the time.  In fact, later versions of the design (P-24) were sold as export fighters and flown by some other European countries pre-WWII.  Poland had a very active aviation industry pre-war which also produced some winning STOL designs.

The world-class Polish aviation museum is just outside Krakow, where the last extant PZL-11c is on display.  This as well as many other rare avis including sole remaining examples of some WWI aircraft.  Plus a great full scale aircraft engine display and....  many glass cases of model airplane engines!  Definitely worth a visit if ever in that part of the world.  Plan at least a day.  Better yet - two!

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« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2012, 07:34:45 PM »
There are a few of the Sterling C and S kit plans , including the WACO on this site
http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_plans/categories.php?cat_id=60&page=17

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2012, 08:04:25 PM »
HI Guys,

I found plans (not the Sterling instruction sheet) several years ago, before I knew of the laser cut short kit so that part is covered.  Deciding on which "documentation to buy is my next phase.

John R.  well, the flying part of stunt is a lot of practice, but you don't need any documentation to enter. ;D

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2012, 11:38:04 PM »
Had one in the 70's.  Powered by a johnson 35.  Los of fun to fly but not aerobatic at all.  Looked great in the air.

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2012, 08:19:52 AM »
What a good looking plane! Here's a Russian website with some more ref.

http://img.wp.scn.ru/camms/ar/238/pics/29_o_1_b1_a1.jpg
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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2012, 12:54:45 PM »
Bill,
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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2012, 06:14:49 PM »
Thanks, Douglas!

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2012, 09:09:41 AM »
This just popped up on one of my many Ebay searches..

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=251031712274&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:1123

Looking at the plan it seems to show monoline? and does appear to show "some" construction details.

Worth a cheeky bid if it does not climb to silly prices? (No kit parts just the box and plan).

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2012, 11:40:27 AM »
Thanks for the thought, John.  Once I get it built I might try to find a box for display. ;D

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2012, 01:24:23 PM »
Hey there - not sure if you already know this about your fighter -- my Dad told me that he had built one of these kits-- but the interesting thing about this ship is that for some reason the Polish aircraft designers had this thing for corrugated sheeting -- the wings - tail and fin&rudder --like Junkers pre 88s

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2012, 12:46:54 PM »
Hey there - not sure if you already know this about your fighter -- my Dad told me that he had built one of these kits-- but the interesting thing about this ship is that for some reason the Polish aircraft designers had this thing for corrugated sheeting -- the wings - tail and fin&rudder --like Junkers pre 88s

Thanks, Randy.  I started noticing that on the pictures, etc., the guys posted here.  Not real sure exactly how to replicate that, or if it is necessary for "Sport Scale".  ???

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« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2012, 02:53:07 PM »
yeah this corr. thing has put quite the damper on many modeling projects I've had over the years -- BUT -----go to Clevelandairline.com and there you'll find a page on this subject - I've seen many models that should've had corr. covering but the builders never attempted it -- Ju- 52s --Ju-D-1s or any type -- wanted to do the Pol. Fighter but the covering is abit more than just corr. really need to look carefully at the photos -- you'll notice how the corr. has been stamped with the corr. detail -dove tailing - into a small flat before going under the leading edge sheeting - just like Boeing's P-12 / F-4b series -- I recall one P-12 done RC and the builder carefully trimmed/dressed balsa sheeting with half round stripwood -- the P-12 has only the ele./stab -- fin/rudder -- and ailerons with corr. this Pol. Fighter is nutts with it -- and it's possible that this Pol. Fighter isn't a hale round but more of a channel with a heavy radius on the upper and lower corners . google 'images of -- ' and see what ya get.

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2012, 10:41:25 PM »
Even more interesting, perhaps, is that the Sterling Polish Fighter - PZL-11 or -12 - formed the basis for the only Romanian (I think) original, native designed fighter to reach combat status in WW2.

The IAR-80. From the cockpit aft, according to some references I have seen, it was essentially the PZL-12. Up front was a much larger air-cooled radial engine, and the wing was redesigned accordingly.

The late-WW2 Ploesti Raids on petroleum production, by mostly B-24s, were opposed by fighters, including many IAR-80s. The brilliance of the raid planning does not rate discussion here - too inadequate to waste time on. Sadly, many lives were lost because of the poor planning...

As a modeling subject, IAR-80s have a fairly aft bubble cockpit on a fairly small diameter tubular fuselage. Nice shapes and proportions, and would hide a wing enlargement nicely in proportion to fuselage. (Al Rabe, famed for his magnificent, scale-looking stunters documented his method of "scale" side view, with wing - consequently also tail - enlarged to be more capable for stunt.)

I think the best references for the IAR-80 go back to Air International, possibly also Aeroplane UK magazines, many years ago. I could probably find and copy relevant material, if anyone is sufficiently stoked about getting them... It would be different!
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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2019, 06:03:26 PM »
Is anyone watching this thread, I'm trying to find out about the Laserworks/Action Hobbies Short kit. Is Big Bear still in the den?
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« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2019, 10:05:44 AM »
Well I have wondered that also as I sent a PM ome time back and have yet to get a response. ???
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« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2019, 03:52:39 AM »
I found a Sterling Polish Fighter "partial" kit many years ago at a swap meet. It was the box, plans, decal, spinner (yes, it came with a an aluminum spinner) and about 2/3 of the wood. What was there was in pretty good shape. i bought the Laser Works Short Kit to complete what I had about ten years ago. I have yet to build this plane but still hope to. FYI: The Sterling Polish Fighter Kit control set up was designed for mono line. Plans only show a mono line set up. I guess it could be cleverly converted to a two line bellcrank set up if so desired. I just checked Lazer Works/Action Hobbies web site and they have the Polish Fighter listed at $56.00. Everything continues to go up. I think I paid about $36 about ten years ago. IMO you really will need a set of the Sterling plans to build this one. The plans do not come with the short kit. Cool Airplane!!! Hope the helps...   Jim

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« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2019, 09:39:48 AM »
If you have the plans, is it possible to get a copy of them.  I remember Wayne Meriwether flying the design in scale events as a Junior.  When he became a senior age flyer he quit flying.  I had the plane in my possession, but stupidity stepped in and I sold it.  It was set up with standard two line control. D>K
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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2019, 10:56:03 PM »


Theres a large detailed book on the I A R 80 ,



But for some reason its in Romanium . Some who believe VW Er FW Stole the concept . Like Porch with the Tatra. Had to pay them .
Kindly supplied to me by Marinaru , Who is Rumainium . http://www.marinaru.ro/forum/viewforum.php?f=6

I think they may be quite up on it .

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #42 on: May 11, 2019, 06:49:45 PM »
Hi All,

I have a really nice laser cut short kit of this old Sterling kit.  I know nothing about the actual real plane so any information will be appreciated!  I don't even know the "NAME" of the real plane...........

Thanks!
Bill

 Bill,

 That old Sterling kit has always caught my eye, I've always thought it would be a neat looking model, did you ever get this one built?
Narrowly averting disaster since 1964! 

Wayne Willey
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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2019, 12:58:27 AM »
Polish Fighter Sterling Kit C-5 Plan listed as available from AMA Plan Service: http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/P.pdf

Listed as Plan # 50971 for $15

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2019, 01:28:39 AM »
FYI: Just a heads up so you know. The Sterling Polish Fighter C-5 Kit came with shaped and formed Gull Wing leading edges similar to what came with the Sterling Corsair C-9 Kit in case you may be familiar with that kit. The two shaped Gull Wing leading edges for the Polish Fighter DO NOT come with the Laser Works short kit. At least not with the short kit that I purchased from Laser Works several years ago. You will have to come up with, make or form these yourself along with a few other pieces. I was lucky to already have the formed leading edges in the partial kit I have. - Jim

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2019, 11:08:57 AM »
Here's Norm Skuderin's model at our NCCL club meeting, 11/17/15 and flying at our field with Bill Werwage assisting, 7/3/16.

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2019, 08:41:11 PM »
 Thanks for the great photos Serge!

 I've always wanted to get a good look at a finished one. Norm's is very well done and I also love that it's done with a period engine and spinner etc., very cool model!  y1
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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #47 on: June 21, 2019, 07:00:08 AM »
 H^^ From 1982 WC'S

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Re: Sterling "Polish Fighter"
« Reply #48 on: June 21, 2019, 07:01:22 AM »
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