Author Topic: N7715C, Chuck Hall's Race 5; Anyone know the wing markings on this plane? (Read 1441 times)

RknRusty · « **on:** November 20, 2013, 09:07:39 PM »

I want to paint one like this, but need to know the wing color scheme. Thanks,

Rusty

Duke.Johnson · « **Reply #1 on:** November 20, 2013, 09:41:19 PM »

Caught ya! Rusty. Love the color scheme.

wwwarbird · « **Reply #2 on:** November 20, 2013, 09:42:37 PM »

I'm gonna wager it had an all black wing with the red and white tips like what's shown here in your profile.

However, given the era it may well have had the "N" number on the top of the right wing, and then it was usually repeated under the left. This is probably more likely than not.

Back in this same era paint schemes on many of these Warbirds would change or vary quite often. With that being the case you can use some "artistic license" and play it however you choose. If you want this added wing detail on your model I would just copy the original font/design off of the fuselage and then resize it accordingly. Remember that the top of the letters/numbers should always face the wings leading edge.

Detail wise you could do it either way on your model, with or without the "N" number on the wing. I highly doubt anyone is ever going to call you on it, or even know the difference.

In a case like this if you simply want more graphic detail on the wing and aren't concerned about scale documentation a nice trick is to once again copy the "N" number font, but then use your AMA number instead of the airplanes actual registration number. That way it all appears scale, but also satisfies any stunt competition rules by having your AMA number on the wing.

You might check here for some more info on the actual airplane...

http://www.mustangsmustangs.com/p-51/?who/case/205

Fred Cronenwett · « **Reply #3 on:** November 21, 2013, 05:31:07 AM »

Give Bob Banka a call at www.bobsairdoc.com and see what he has. He might have something, never know

I have seen slides from that era of Reno Air Races but don't recall seeing that paint job.

Fred Cronenwett

Fred Cronenwett · « **Reply #4 on:** November 21, 2013, 05:43:19 AM »

Found this picture with a google image search. What I find interesting is that this aircraft is still flying at the Planes of Fame Air Museum (Steve Hinton's Wee Willy II)

Found the image on www.mustangsmustangs.com, they didn't have any pictures that show the top of the wings

Fred

RknRusty · « **Reply #5 on:** November 21, 2013, 08:23:29 AM »

Thanks guys, those are some good ideas and some things I didn't know. This is a pretty casual contest, but I'd like to get it looking right.

Yeah Duke, I can't sneak one past you.

I hope I can make a respectable showing. Time to get out the drawing tools now and figure out how to make it work.

Rusty

john e. holliday · « **Reply #6 on:** November 21, 2013, 08:35:54 AM »

When I built my semi-scale RC model of the Comanche, I went to the downtown airport in KCMo for pictures. I took pictures from all directions. There was no color graphics on the wings, top or bottom. Solid white color. Only graphics were on the fuselage. I looked at several other planes and they were the same, no graphics on the wings top or bottom. Hope fully you will find the top and bottom scheme of your Mustang.

Duke.Johnson · « **Reply #7 on:** November 21, 2013, 08:52:29 AM »

Rusty
I found three planes I would like to build. My favorite is the version of the Gee Bee that I can't use because it was never a real plane, just RC. I'm going to build it anyway, I just really want one now. Then I've been looking at a bipe, but I had to lengthen the fuse to make it legal. After blowing up the plans to make the wings the right size the fuse was still short. I cut the fuse last night, it doesn't look right with the longer fuse though. I'll finish the build and see how fast it goes. And then I might build a P-40 and give it a fast racing paint job. Maybe with some checker board somewhere, you know they go faster with checker board on them.

wwwarbird · « **Reply #8 on:** November 21, 2013, 09:26:42 PM »

Quote from: Fred Cronenwett on November 21, 2013, 05:43:19 AM

Found this picture with a google image search. What I find interesting is that this aircraft is still flying at the Planes of Fame Air Museum (Steve Hinton's Wee Willy II)

Sort of anyway, as in the original data plate is still flying.

In it's final race configuration this "same" airplane was also the Rolls-Royce Griffon powered "Red Baron" RB-51 at one time. When it went in at Reno (1979?) there wasn't much of it left, but apparently they found the data plate.

This airplane has a very long race history and prior to the RB-51 it appeared in many other racer variations as well.

RknRusty · « **Reply #9 on:** November 22, 2013, 08:58:34 AM »

Quote from: Duke.Johnson on November 21, 2013, 08:52:29 AM

...I might build a P-40 and give it a fast racing paint job. Maybe with some checker board somewhere, you know they go faster with checker board on them.

Yeah, Duke. Just like hotrods, every decal gives them another 5hp.

Avaiojet · « **Reply #10 on:** November 22, 2013, 05:23:48 PM »

Quote from: Duke.Johnson on November 21, 2013, 08:52:29 AM

Rusty
I found three planes I would like to build. My favorite is the version of the Gee Bee that I can't use because it was never a real plane, just RC. I'm going to build it anyway, I just really want one now. Then I've been looking at a bipe, but I had to lengthen the fuse to make it legal. After blowing up the plans to make the wings the right size the fuse was still short. I cut the fuse last night, it doesn't look right with the longer fuse though. I'll finish the build and see how fast it goes. And then I might build a P-40 and give it a fast racing paint job. Maybe with some checker board somewhere, you know they go faster with checker board on them.

Duke,

What Gee Bee would that be?

Charles

RknRusty · « **Reply #11 on:** November 22, 2013, 06:04:54 PM »

Hey Charles, that plane in your avatar is one of the ones some of us were looking at for our coxengineforum speed contest. That's a really badass looking ship.

Like me, most of us are new to speed planes, so it will probably be a comedy of trials and errors, but much fun. Someone over there is always good at finding a way to break up the Winter doldrums. We'll all post videos of our fastest ten laps, and learn a lot in the process. We have the traveling propeller, the traveling engine, which is a Tee Dee .049, an annual reedy tach race. And now this first speed contest which was thought up by Jim Roselle, uses semi-scale profiles and Cox reed valve engines. Duke, Jim, Phil K., and I are some of the ones who are sneaking over here trying to scavenge a little extra know how about the topic... in case y'all were wondering what we were suddenly up to with the speed plane talk.

Rusty

Avaiojet · « **Reply #12 on:** November 24, 2013, 06:04:36 AM »

I know little about speed models, others can fill you in on that.

I do believe the fastest ones are the ones that just have a high aspect ratio wing, only on the inboard side?

This Gee Bee R-3 I'm building looks fast, but I don't think it will be fast at all.

I only build for looks and not performance.

Charles

RknRusty · « **Reply #13 on:** November 24, 2013, 10:54:20 AM »

Quote from: Avaiojet on November 24, 2013, 06:04:36 AM

I know little about speed models, others can fill you in on that.

I do believe the fastest ones are the ones that just have a high aspect ratio wing, only on the inboard side?

This Gee Bee R-3 I'm building looks fast, but I don't think it will be fast at all.

I only build for looks and not performance.

Charles

And it seems that not overly lightweight might be better? Not fat either, but some inertia can be a good thing. Ours have to be recognizable as a real plane of any type, and profile only.

Rusty

Bob Heywood · « **Reply #14 on:** November 26, 2013, 06:46:26 AM »

There is a right rear quartering photo in Mustang-The Racing Thoroughbred that shows the N number on the upper wing panel. It is not sufficient to scale but the number is there. Red Pegasus Decals lists this plane in their on-line catalog. They are a good source for scale color and trim data, especially for racers.

RknRusty · « **Reply #15 on:** November 26, 2013, 07:19:46 AM »

Thanks, Bob. I should have posted, a couple of days ago I found this too:

Bob Heywood · « **Reply #16 on:** November 26, 2013, 07:31:11 AM »

Looks good...

I found this also:

http://www.aafo.com/hangartalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=1963&d=1078984666

Jim Larsen, along with his family, have been photographing air racing for a long time.

RknRusty · « **Reply #17 on:** November 26, 2013, 09:15:18 AM »

Nice book. There she is, second from the far end.

wwwarbird · « **Reply #18 on:** November 26, 2013, 02:07:16 PM »

Quote from: Bob Heywood on November 26, 2013, 07:31:11 AM

Looks good...

I found this also:

http://www.aafo.com/hangartalk/attachment.php?attachmentid=1963&d=1078984666

Jim Larsen, along with his family, have been photographing air racing for a long time.

That looks like a GREAT book! Thank's for posting it Bob, I'd better head over to Ebay...

Bob Heywood · « **Reply #19 on:** November 27, 2013, 08:02:37 AM »

Amazon.com, 5 Used copies:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001LNJN8A/ref=tmm_other_meta_binding_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=used&sr=1-14&qid=1385564385

Jim Roselle · « **Reply #20 on:** November 27, 2013, 08:06:03 PM »

Busted fishing with the pros!!! I found my wheels by the way,

Jim

RknRusty · « **Reply #21 on:** November 27, 2013, 09:48:56 PM »

Quote from: Jim Roselle on November 27, 2013, 08:06:03 PM

Busted fishing with the pros!!! I found my wheels by the way,

Jim

Haha, yeah, there are a couple of us cheaters over here. I bought my fuselage wood yesterday. I need to set up a drawing table, but it's being used for turkey dinner for now. I printed out a bunch of P-51 silhouettes so I can get all the curves and angles right. I don't know if I'm going to bother with the dihedral of the wings or not.

Rusty

Jim Roselle · « **Reply #22 on:** November 27, 2013, 09:59:42 PM »

I wouldn't mess with dihedral. I think my corsair got other people to do dihedral but I don't think it's necessary. It might even be a liability for a speed model.

Jim

RknRusty · « **Reply #23 on:** November 28, 2013, 07:44:35 PM »

Yeah, it just makes it look cool. What about the one sided elevator. It seems like that would cause it to roll in. I assume we use extremely minimal throws.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #24 on:** November 28, 2013, 08:23:13 PM »

Depends on which side of the rudder you have the one sided elevator.

Jim Roselle · « **Reply #25 on:** November 28, 2013, 09:00:18 PM »

The only thing I know about speed ships is from pictures. I saw pictures of one sided elevators so I went for it. I also figured assembly would be much easier that way. Definitely minimal throws.

Jim

wwwarbird · « **Reply #26 on:** November 28, 2013, 09:20:04 PM »

Quote from: Bob Heywood on November 27, 2013, 08:02:37 AM

Amazon.com, 5 Used copies:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B001LNJN8A/ref=tmm_other_meta_binding_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=used&sr=1-14&qid=1385564385

Holy smokes, certainly not cheap!

Thanks Bob.

RknRusty · « **Reply #27 on:** November 29, 2013, 03:07:35 AM »

Quote from: Jim Roselle on November 28, 2013, 09:00:18 PM

The only thing I know about speed ships is from pictures. I saw pictures of one sided elevators so I went for it. I also figured assembly would be much easier that way. Definitely minimal throws.

Jim

I'm kind of copy catting too.
John, the inboard side is where the elevator is always hinged. A lot of the planes I see have most of the wing area on the inboard side too. That's not as hard to understand, but I'm not about to try to think up an explanation before I have my coffee. Jim's and mine are symmetrical though.
Rusty

Chris McMillin · « **Reply #28 on:** November 30, 2013, 04:46:29 PM »

Whether 15C had the N number on the wings depends on the year. When Chuck bought it from Jesse Stallings it did.
Chris...

RknRusty · « **Reply #29 on:** November 30, 2013, 10:02:15 PM »

I saw that history and I'll put the N on the number. I have the profile pretty much drawn out on graph paper now.

Rusty