Author Topic: Model Aviation Feb 2017 - Why NOT to fly CL Fun Scale (Read 4153 times)

Paul Smith · « **on:** January 27, 2017, 07:42:02 PM »

See pages 112, 113 and 114 if you were thinking of wasting time & money on a CL Fun Scale model.

No reason to build and fly model airplanes when you can buy RTF RC electric TOYS, score 110 points and get plaques in contests.

If you see this person at contest, save your entry fee and play golf. Or else order one from Hobby People and tie for first place.

If the event survives at all, contests will be decided by a single bounce on landing.

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #1 on:** January 27, 2017, 08:30:29 PM »

Unless maybe you enjoy building,

Paul Smith · « **Reply #2 on:** January 28, 2017, 06:17:25 AM »

I DO enjoy building.

Under these rules I will get my building enjoyment in other events and leave these events to those who prefer playing with plastic products from Toys-R-Us.

Target · « **Reply #3 on:** January 28, 2017, 09:49:52 AM »

Good luck ordering anything from Hobby People. They're closed permanently.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #4 on:** January 28, 2017, 10:28:39 AM »

I thought this was an event to get people to try scale flying? I would say if you fly the events that require building you plane leave this event alone for those that would rather fly than build,

Paul Smith · « **Reply #5 on:** January 28, 2017, 01:04:12 PM »

OK, John, I guess so.

But with all the no-brainer RC electric gizmos there's not much flying left, aside from takeoff, ten laps, and landing. All the rest is off-the-shelf. This is way beyond buying a stunter or a truck load of combat wings.

Furthermore, there's nothing "entry level" about Fun Scale. It's exactly the same people as the top line events. Just like all other so-called "entry level" events.

Ken Burdick · « **Reply #6 on:** January 28, 2017, 01:40:19 PM »

yah, building is a hoot.
Attached is my sport 40 / fun scale plane.
"if it ain't fun, I ain't doin it"

Ken Burdick · « **Reply #7 on:** January 28, 2017, 01:44:01 PM »

sport 40 carrier and scale. There is a hook that drops (no really!) on low throttle.

John Rist · « **Reply #8 on:** January 29, 2017, 05:45:54 PM »

As I said in an earlier post another scale event ain't a bad thing.. Does anyone have the model count in last summers Fun Scale at the NATS.

John Rist · « **Reply #9 on:** January 29, 2017, 05:56:38 PM »

If you want fun try a 1/2 twin.

Fred Cronenwett · « **Reply #10 on:** January 29, 2017, 07:01:30 PM »

Here is the results from the 2016 Nationals for Fun Scale, the point deduction for not having flaps and retracts is ZERO in fun scale (also profile scale), it only applies to Sport and Authentic scale models.

Fred

Paul Smith · « **Reply #11 on:** January 30, 2017, 08:50:45 AM »

Quote from: John Rist on January 29, 2017, 05:56:38 PM

If you want fun try a 1/2 twin.

That is an achievement to be proud of. The BUILDER earned his points.

But a guy who BUYS an ARF or RTF with two electric motors gets the same points. Not fair.

Paul Smith · « **Reply #12 on:** January 30, 2017, 08:57:19 AM »

Quote from: Fred Cronenwett on January 29, 2017, 07:01:30 PM

Here is the results from the 2016 Nationals for Fun Scale, the point deduction for not having flaps and retracts is ZERO in fun scale (also profile scale), it only applies to Sport and Authentic scale models.

Fred

Yeah. That's clear enough. But with the resurrection of Authentic (formerly precision scale originally just plain scale), it's time to make Sport Scale SPORT again. An oppressive rule that makes the event impossible for most modelers might be OK for Authentic, but certainly not Sport.

There is no reason to enter a contest when your score is capped at 97, compared to 100 for the Shoestring.

Rich Perry · « **Reply #13 on:** February 03, 2017, 10:39:39 PM »

I do not see a problem. Except that I am now motivated to build a DO 335 for scale comp! Problem, is I have too many projects now.

Paul Smith · « **Reply #14 on:** February 04, 2017, 08:22:22 AM »

You will need to do a perfect building job the equal the 10 points that others can buy off the internet.

I like to compete against other model builders. I don't have the resources to compete against professional toy maunfacturers.

Bob Heywood · « **Reply #15 on:** February 04, 2017, 03:16:20 PM »

This discussion overlooks one very important element, the Documentation Package. No plane, regardless of how perfect it might look, will score well if the documentation presented to the judges isn't up to the task. 10 points is not a given. From my experience, most Scale entrants shoot themselves in the foot by providing weak or error filled packages, or they simply don't do a decent enough job of making their model match the material. Even with the so-called perfect plane the documentation needs to exactly support the entered model. Not sorta maybe.

Fun Scale is still a Scale event and needs to be approached in that vein. It isn't Casual Scale or Good Enough Scale. It is plenty possible to build something from Walter Musciano or any number of other sources and do very well. For Fun Scale just choose a more basic subject. You don't need all the bells and whistles. Get the outlines right. Get the color and markings right. The single key ingredient is to take the time to do enough research, make your plane look exactly like the reference material you have assembled, and practice to fly it well.

Will Hinton · « **Reply #16 on:** February 28, 2017, 05:30:07 PM »

Well said Bob. And just where and when did we have someone buy a "hi zoot" model and compete with it? I've not run into that at the nats, dunno about other contests. This seems to me to be a "The sky is falling" thread.

Fred Cronenwett · « **Reply #17 on:** February 28, 2017, 05:43:46 PM »

Keep in mind that RC fun scale only judges the outline of the model and everyone gets 5 points unless you fly something that is not scale. You don't even have prove the colors and markings in RC fun scale. If you are flying a P-47 in that event, you show a P-47 3-view and you get 5 points, I have not seen any variation in the outline points in the event so basically it becomes a flying event with everyone getting the same 5 point bonus for having a scale model. So in RC fun scale there is no effort to match any color and markings documentation.

In CL fun scale you will see the static score range from the low 4's to 10 points because of problems that Bob outlined.

Fred

Paul Smith · « **Reply #18 on:** March 01, 2017, 03:17:54 PM »

RC & CL are two totally different things. CL goes very very wrong when it tries to make like RC.

Fred Cronenwett · « **Reply #19 on:** March 01, 2017, 08:49:38 PM »

The point is that in CL fun scale there is still competition for the static points. I don't agree with how RC fun scale does the static points for their fun scale event, I like how we do it, you still have to make an effort in CL fun scale to earn the points. Not all ARF's have the correct markings and colors that you can document.

Fred