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Offline John Rist

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Message drop
« on: August 30, 2010, 09:13:24 AM »
Would a message drop be a good maneuver for a WW-I style airplane such as a Eindecker?   I have to believe it happened that a message was sent to the front line in this manner.  I would guess a leather bag with a streamer. Their are accounts WW-I propaganda drops over Paris so the concept of a message drop was well known.  I have been reading everything I can find on the Eindecker and I do not see any reference to bomb drops or message drops. Of course it was classes as an air to air and air to ground fighter and most accounts center on it's synchronized machine gun.  Anyway what is the requirement to make a maneuver acceptable for an aircraft.  Is capable and probable adequate? What say you Scale Judges? #^
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Re: Message drop
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2010, 02:35:28 PM »
John
I would recommend you provide some supporting documentation.  A copy of a comment in a published book would suffice for my vote. 

I read about the Jeannin Stahltaube was used early in the war to drop hand grenades on the trenches.  They also showed a sketch of the way it droped 100's of pointed darts from a hopper box.
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Re: Message drop
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2010, 07:14:17 PM »
Quote from: Clancy Arnold on August 30, 2010, 02:35:28 PM
John
I would recommend you provide some supporting documentation.  A copy of a comment in a published book would suffice for my vote. 

I read about the Jeannin Stahltaube was used early in the war to drop hand grenades on the trenches.  They also showed a sketch of the way it droped 100's of pointed darts from a hopper box.
Clancy

It would stand to reason that because the Jeannin Stahltaube preceded the Eindecker that the Eindecker was also used to hand drop things such as hand grenades and messages on the trenches.  The Eindeckers were primarily used behind the German lines to stop British and French scouts from returning home.  By the way the German's used the "E" designation for a monoplane armed scout. (Page 7 of Fokker Eindecker in action by D. Edgar Brannon).  With the designation of armed scout I think delivering messages to the front lines was one of tasks performed by the Eindecker.
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Offline Clancy Arnold

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Re: Message drop
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2010, 06:46:47 AM »
John
I did a Google search for "Drop Message" and found these:
DOD Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/doddict/
1.  drop message
drop message (DOD,NATO) A message dropped from an aircraft to a ground or surface unit.

www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Defense_Dictionary_of_Military_and_Associated_Terms
Search on: Aviation in World War I

The text says: the period did not permit radio contact, and methods of signalling were necessarily crude, and included dropping messages from the aircraft. ...


Click on Aviation in WW1.

Go down to the table of contents.

Contents [hide]
1 The early years of war
1.1 Early "Western Front" reconnaissance duties
1.2 Early bombing efforts
Click on 1.1 Early "Western Front" reconnaissance duties.
Copy that page for your documentation.

I may use this as an Optional Maneuver for my Jeannin Stahltaube but I can just see it getting hung up in the tail wires!!.
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Re: Message drop
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2010, 07:47:50 AM »
Quote from: Clancy Arnold on September 02, 2010, 06:46:47 AM
John
I did a Google search for "Drop Message" and found these:
DOD Dictionary of Military and Associated Terms www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/doddict/
1.  drop message
drop message (DOD,NATO) A message dropped from an aircraft to a ground or surface unit.

www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Defense_Dictionary_of_Military_and_Associated_Terms
Search on: Aviation in World War I

The text says: the period did not permit radio contact, and methods of signalling were necessarily crude, and included dropping messages from the aircraft. ...


Click on Aviation in WW1.

Go down to the table of contents.

Contents [hide]
1 The early years of war
1.1 Early "Western Front" reconnaissance duties
1.2 Early bombing efforts
Click on 1.1 Early "Western Front" reconnaissance duties.
Copy that page for your documentation.

I may use this as an Optional Maneuver for my Jeannin Stahltaube but I can just see it getting hung up in the tail wires!!.
Clancy

Wow! Good work Clancy!  I think the trick is to have it rolled up tightly and launch it during a climb that peaks just before you reach the judges.  It should unroll on the way down.
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Offline Clancy Arnold

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Re: Message drop
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2010, 12:43:45 PM »
John
That sounds like a good presentation of the Optional Maneuver. 

With my luck and 16 elevator control cables back there I am sure it would get caught unless the Pilot has a Major League pitching arm!
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