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Filling-in and copying score sheets.

Started by Paul Smith, June 08, 2026, 06:46:32 AM

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Paul Smith

OK, I can find the score sheets in the AMA Rule Book on line.  I can download the blanks, but they're in pdf format that can only be viewed or printed.  For each Nats event you need 2 static sheets and 4 flight sheets. so it's efficient to do the home work.

Does anybody know of an all-computer way to do this?

In 2025 I settled for printing the forms.  Then writing in my personal information.  Then copying the form.  Then writing in the airplane/event info.  Then running the 2 static and 4 flight sheets.

The best I've been able to devise is to print the forms, then scan them back into jpg and paste the jpg into Paint, Powerpoint Excel, or Word and work from there.

There needs to be a better way for scale & carrier, too.
Paul Smith

Tim Wescott

The rule book does not say you have to use those exact forms, just that you need to use something similar.

There are any number of composition programs that you could use. If you're good with Word or any other word processor, you could use that.
AMA 64232

The problem with electric is that once you get the smoke generator and sound system installed, the plane is too heavy.

Trostle

Quote from: Tim Wescott on June 08, 2026, 07:43:54 PMThe rule book does not say you have to use those exact forms, just that you need to use something similar.

There are any number of composition programs that you could use. If you're good with Word or any other word processor, you could use that.

I am not sure the point you are trying to make.  There is NO logical reason to not use the score sheets provided by the rule book.  If the contest management provides all of the forms necessary for each aircraft to be static judged (a static score sheet for each judge) and also all of the forms for each judge uses for each flight, then the contest management and the judges will know what forms are being used.  If each contestant provides static score sheets and flight score sheets that are somewhat different, even slightly, from what the AMA rule book shows and each contestant somehow uses a different format, no matter how slight, you are throwing the judges (static judges and flying judges) curve balls to be able to quickly and accurately record their scores even before any static and/or flight judging starts.  It is my experience that contestants at the Nats are expected to fill out all of the pertinent information on their static AND their flight score score sheets using the formats provided by the rule book.  This can result in many sheets of paper for each model entered which will be judged by probably at least two judges for static scoring and many more score sheets for each of two judges when as many as four official flights might be flown. 

Contest management may provide blank score sheets for static and flight judging, probably copies of what the rule book illustrate, but the intelligent thing for a contestant to do is bring all of the score sheets (in the rule book formats) your judges will need, already filled out before the contest starts.

Keith

Tim Wescott

First, I missed that this is scale and not stunt.  Bad me.  I thought Paul was organizing a contest or something.  In stunt, every contest organization that I know of cooks up their own rule sheets -- there's one for the Nats, one for the Washington crew, several variations for Oregon, and at least GSSC uses yet another one.

Second -- if Paul's talking about a need to show up at the Nats with filled-out scoresheets at any contest, Nats or not, the contest organizers should make it easy -- which they could do if they cared to, you can make PDF forms that can be filled out by most PDF readers.

For that matter, it would be college senior project to make webpages that let you fill out forms online and print them out from your computer.  No professional would like working on them because college senior projects are usually disasters from a maintenance standpoint, but it's just that easy -- the technology is there, the will is lacking.

Paul!!!  If your need is to edit the forms as they are, then there's a whole bunch of PDF editing tools out there.  Most of them let you paste text on top of the existing PDF, while keeping things in PDF format.  They're all basically the digital equivalent of your "print, write, scan" method.

  • I'm surprised that Paint doesn't let you import PDF -- you may want to check
  • Xournal is specifically made to edit PDF documents, and I like it, but I'm a bit of a techno-geek.  I'm not even sure if Xournal works under Windows.  (I'm a Linux guy)
  • Adobe gives away a reader that does the same thing, but the last time I downloaded it for work I ended up with anti-virus software that I can't delete.
  • Gimp and Inkscape both let you import PDF pages as images, and edit more images on top of them.  Since text is an image, you can use one of them.

AMA 64232

The problem with electric is that once you get the smoke generator and sound system installed, the plane is too heavy.

Pete Bauer

#4
Let's make it simple

Completely fill out one static sheet and one flight sheet for each event. Basic Adobe Acrobat (free) allows you to add text into the PDF.

Then go to FedEx and run copies (probably cheaper than printing at your own printer).  For each event you need two (2) static and eight flight sheets.

Paul - here is the start of your Authentic Scale flight sheet.

Done

Paul Smith

Quote from: Tim Wescott on June 09, 2026, 07:34:01 AMFirst, I missed that this is scale and not stunt.  Bad me.  I thought Paul was organizing a contest or something.  In stunt, every contest organization that I know of cooks up their own rule sheets -- there's one for the Nats, one for the Washington crew, several variations for Oregon, and at least GSSC uses yet another one.

Second -- if Paul's talking about a need to show up at the Nats with filled-out scoresheets at any contest, Nats or not, the contest organizers should make it easy -- which they could do if they cared to, you can make PDF forms that can be filled out by most PDF readers.

For that matter, it would be college senior project to make webpages that let you fill out forms online and print them out from your computer.  No professional would like working on them because college senior projects are usually disasters from a maintenance standpoint, but it's just that easy -- the technology is there, the will is lacking.

Paul!!!  If your need is to edit the forms as they are, then there's a whole bunch of PDF editing tools out there.  Most of them let you paste text on top of the existing PDF, while keeping things in PDF format.  They're all basically the digital equivalent of your "print, write, scan" method.

  • I'm surprised that Paint doesn't let you import PDF -- you may want to check
  • Xournal is specifically made to edit PDF documents, and I like it, but I'm a bit of a techno-geek.  I'm not even sure if Xournal works under Windows.  (I'm a Linux guy)
  • Adobe gives away a reader that does the same thing, but the last time I downloaded it for work I ended up with anti-virus software that I can't delete.
  • Gimp and Inkscape both let you import PDF pages as images, and edit more images on top of them.  Since text is an image, you can use one of them.

MS Paint will only accept jpg pitchers, not pdf files.
Paul Smith

Paul Smith

From what I have been able to divine is that pdf is designed and intended to be non-editible.  Adobe Acrobat is a foreign language that I don't savvy.

So I'm back to:
Print the pfd on paper.
Scan the paper to jpg.
Paste the jpg into PowerPoint.
Insert Word boxes into the PowerPoint.
Print on my privately-owned Epson ET-3850.
The only surviving copy shop near me is a company-store profiteer that would skin me alive on a copy job.

Paul Smith

Paul Smith

I looked at Adobe Acrobat and it's the same as always.  The "reader" is free, but the "composer", pdf-to-jpg, is $24.99 per month.

What would really help would be for somebody who already has Adobe Acrobat to comvert the scale & carrier forms to jpg and post them here.
Paul Smith

Paul Smith

#8
I went ahead and printed, scanned and jpg'ed all six documents.
I knew I could do this, but wanted to try to the product if somebody already did the work.
Authentic Static,,,five event Flight,,,Fun Static
Paul Smith

Paul Smith

#9
Batch two,,

These jpg blanks should enable contestants to accomplish the forms without some of the intermediate steps.
1/2A Flight,,,, 3 event Static,,, 1/2A Static
Paul Smith


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