Hi All:

      I would like to know where the racing event that required a Fox.35 Stunt and a Carl Goldberg plane originated.

     I remember that the Wichita club was running a 1 once racing event that required a Fox .35 Stunt and a CG racer kit.  The only kits that were leagal were  The Shoestring, The Cosmic Wind and the Buster.  These were the larger sized kits with about a 42" wingspan.  The tank could be any tank if it held no more than 1 oz.
 This must have been prior to 1980.

      I was in close contact with a chap named David "Hermit" Jones who sent me the rules and reported that it was a great event that placed an emphasis on pitting a Fox .35 Stunt.   I then proposed it to the local controline club, H.A.M.S where the tank size was increased to be no more than 2 oz. of fuel.  I thought that this was a stupid rule as one had to make at least one pit stop in a 70 lap race with a 2 oz. tank  Has anybody ever raced a Fox .35 Stunt that could do 70 laps on an once of fuel? Lol

      Who remembers the time of when the Witchita 1 oz. event was started.  The only other names that I can remember who flew at Witchita at that time was Marvin Denny and Paul Smith.

     Any old timers remember the origin of what is now referred as to Foxberg Racing

                                                                                                                                 Tia,

                                                                                                                                 Frank

I'm Paul Smith & I know both Dave Jones & Marvin Denny.  We didn't have Foxberg in Wichita in the 1973-1977 era.

They currently have a Foxberg event at The Brodak Fly In in Pennsylvania.  In 2005 they were using Shoestrings, Busters and Cosmics with Fox 35 Stunts.  The event was spiraling into nothing because only a few people were able to get decent consistant performance with the modern low grade Fox 35's.  The engines were opened up to include the lower-price/higher quality LA25 and Mr. Brodak's new 25.  The event is alive and well as of yesterday.

The airplane menu now includes the Flite Streak and Lightning Streak.  I'm not running the thing, but I would also include other big sport planes such as the Ringmaster and Sig Skyray.  Back in the day, when Carl Goldberg kits were $3.95 and Fox 35 Stunts were $16.95, Foxberg was a good economy event.  The organizers need to look at the economy of today.  Goldberg designs, as well as the Flite Steak & Ringmaster call for specialty machined-balsa parts that most people can't get.

Altough I knuckle-under and comply with the rules, a certain fuel tank coupled with minimum pits stops is a redundancy.

Likewise, a suction tank, outboard tank, and stock venturi size really hits the same issue with three hammers when only one is needed. In the absence of a pressure system, you can't open up the air intake very much and still get off the ground.  Drills and grinders are not controlled substances.  Anybody can hog out a venturi and see what happens.

     Hi MM:

      If you think that a beginner could go to the local hobby shop and purchase a Sullivan SS 2 tank and assemble it to be competitive, then you have never dealt with a beginner!

     I learned to loath the SS 2 as it was a bear to get working correctly.  I could purchase a metal tank and convert it to  uniflow in a very short period of time  Or I could leave it as a suction tank with no problems.

    Oh yes, the myth about being able to walk into a LHS and finding a Sullivan SS 2 was just that! it was more rules BS!  The SS 2 made a simple event even more difficult! Paul called it redundant! What difference does the the tank capacity have when there are mandatory pit stops? Most all of CL people had tanks that would would work well in  a Foxberg race.  I think that the requirement to have only a Sullivan  SS 2 tank helped to end the Foxberg event!

                                                                                                                        Frank

   

It was known as Shoestring Racing at the time in Wichita.   They had one page set of rules that were very  strict.  They would allow a contestant to use a Ringmaster for one race.   Also the entrant flew his own plane.  With the demise of the Fox 1 ounce tank, the 1 ounce fuel system was then instated.  It was the people that decided that since the Shoestring kit was no longer kitted that the slow rat rules would be used.  Then the people that did not want to learn how to start a hot Fox .35 Stunt brought in the .25 size engines.   Foxberg came about as the other Goldberg kits were being used by some.   How can a person call it Foxberg if other engines are allowed.   Maybe the event should be dropped in favor of the new Slow Rat Racing.   Also what killed the Wichita event was allowing the entrant to decide if they wanted to pit or pilot. 

It was known as Shoestring Racing at the time in Wichita.   They had one page set of rules that were very  strict.  They would allow a contestant to use a Ringmaster for one race.   Also the entrant flew his own plane.  With the demise of the Fox 1 ounce tank, the 1 ounce fuel system was then instated.  It was the people that decided that since the Shoestring kit was no longer kitted that the slow rat rules would be used.  Then the people that did not want to learn how to start a hot Fox .35 Stunt brought in the .25 size engines.   Foxberg came about as the other Goldberg kits were being used by some.   How can a person call it Foxberg if other engines are allowed.   Maybe the event should be dropped in favor of the new Slow Rat Racing.   Also what killed the Wichita event was allowing the entrant to decide if they wanted to pit or pilot. 

The reason we here in SOCAL went to 25's was the almost uncontrollable vibration of the FOX 35.  Allows us to build lighter airplanes, plus we're down to 1-1/4 oz tanks to keep the laps under 50. 

I never did believe the credo that "Vibration is POWER!!!"

I never did believe the credo that "Vibration is POWER!!!"

I've never heard that one but it made me LOL! Fox 35 sure has power!

MM

Canadian Rules LA25 racing is alive and well.  We've had 5 and 10 mile races in Toronto, Detroit, and Dresden for the last six years.  The season finale' is the 100-miler in Toronto.  Surprisingly, the overall completion rate is over 80%.

It's just the basic 300 square inches by 1" wing and an OS LA25.  Less rules than Outback Steakhouse.

The Google Earth is Brad's venue in Dresden.

Do you watch Game of Thrones?  Steve is The Mountain.

Foxberg was big on the east and west coast at the time. Very surprised they didn't go with the Goldberg planes at the nats.

MM

http://brodak.com/control-line-kits/brodak/racing/buster-kit.html

http://brodak.com/control-line-kits/brodak/racing/cosmic-wind-kit.html

http://brodak.com/control-line-kits/brodak/racing/shoestring-kit.html

http://www.foxmanufacturing.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=157&products_id=272


MM

I think I placed 2nd in mouse race at the 87 Chickopee nats and they tried to cheat me out of that by saying I wasn't registered until I showed them the entry receipt.


MM