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Re: Classic F A I . or whats the silly bugger up to now .
« Reply #50 on: October 18, 2015, 09:56:36 PM »
Back to the Twin Boom 60's ' Wharfdale ' device. Id put the magazine with the photo ' back in the stack ' , and have given up looking for it after six months of periodic
searches . >:(
Basically a replica ( we're trying , anyway ) of the original pommy one . Though inevitably we're getting a bit carried away with the cooling & exhaust  ducting .


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« Reply #51 on: October 18, 2015, 10:01:28 PM »
That views from under , this is above . The Engine sits on 3/16 metal plates , drilled & tapped , epoxied and screwed to the 1/2 Sq. Hardwood Crutch .
Got all the nose shaped in the wee small hours , cant seem to rest untill the days objectives are behind me . :(

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« Reply #52 on: October 18, 2015, 10:06:03 PM »
The Ply theres the TOP of the Exhaust Outlet ' separator ' though you could turn the picture over . The Slot allows air up to the crankcase chamber .
Hopefully ' Feeds ' it up , if I figure where to put oulets to extract it to create pressure differential so its efficent . :P

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« Reply #53 on: October 18, 2015, 10:07:47 PM »
A bit more in focus and a trifle smoothed over . H^^


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« Reply #54 on: October 18, 2015, 10:44:25 PM »
i have a NIB K&B schnurle for sale
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« Reply #55 on: October 19, 2015, 11:00:51 PM »
Exhaust Duct . Hasnt got the lower lid on yet . the motor doesnt have s.p.i. , but figure a little airflow through wont hurt .
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« Reply #56 on: October 20, 2015, 08:34:07 PM »
F Wing Tips.


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« Reply #57 on: October 20, 2015, 08:35:51 PM »
In the building.

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« Reply #58 on: October 20, 2015, 08:39:26 PM »
in the Finishing.

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« Reply #59 on: October 20, 2015, 08:41:35 PM »
Under.


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« Reply #60 on: October 20, 2015, 08:43:16 PM »
And as mightve been ascertained from the prvious background ,  The Supernova Crutch .


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Re: Classic F A I . or whats the silly bugger up to now .
« Reply #61 on: October 21, 2015, 09:03:40 PM »
Exhaust Through Duct .



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« Reply #62 on: October 21, 2015, 09:08:26 PM »
A Side .


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« Reply #63 on: October 21, 2015, 09:10:32 PM »
Zee Lid .

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« Reply #64 on: October 21, 2015, 09:15:38 PM »
The F Wing .set up . The INTAKE there is purely to the Crank Case for Cooling .

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« Reply #65 on: October 21, 2015, 09:21:15 PM »
Theres another two over ( under ) with a spliter at the top ( bottom ) of the cylinder , so the Head has its own duct also .

Figuring a induction intake . A piece of the big alumn. stut material would be a good feed off a tube , the Place Harworth Supernova that broke a line ( blue & silver one from 65 ) had a SNORKLE much like a 80s Grand Prix cars at the roll cage , up behind the canopy .
Will get those pictures on in a while .


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« Reply #66 on: October 25, 2015, 08:50:01 PM »
Two appaling ( quality ) pictures of the 63 ' Nova ' ( pre supernova )


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« Reply #67 on: October 25, 2015, 08:53:41 PM »
You can just about see it has a 'Vee'  windshield and engine pan , and a smaller pilot . ( Harworth was Taller  :##)

yes , I may have to photocopy enlarge & repost !


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Re: Classic F A I . or whats the silly bugger up to now .
« Reply #68 on: October 30, 2015, 09:41:10 PM »
Na Na Na Na Nah na nahh .

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« Reply #69 on: October 30, 2015, 09:42:40 PM »
BATPLANE ?  :-\


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« Reply #70 on: October 30, 2015, 09:45:22 PM »
Crank Case air outlet will be biufricated by the rudder, sort of a Stockton / Jehlick ' Jefe ' derivative .
The Dual Wing Fins might do the anti vortex trick , with a bit of luck .


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Re: Classic F A I . or whats the silly bugger up to now .
« Reply #71 on: October 30, 2015, 09:46:41 PM »
The 60's Wharfdale twin boom sucker .


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« Reply #72 on: October 30, 2015, 09:49:47 PM »
Theres a picture in a old aeromuddler of a Eric Burden looking brat with a profile twin boom sea vixen catapult launch glider .
The bungy chords like youd use for a R/C glider and its reported to do 110 or 130 MPH . Stand CLEAR ! .


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« Reply #73 on: October 30, 2015, 09:51:14 PM »
Theres a Thing.

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« Reply #74 on: October 31, 2015, 09:32:32 PM »
ST 15 RVD .


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« Reply #75 on: October 31, 2015, 10:17:56 PM »
Very interesting designs.  The twin boom looks like a lot of elevator.
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Re: Classic F A I . or whats the silly bugger up to now .
« Reply #76 on: December 21, 2015, 09:06:43 PM »
GRMZPF plan, reduced scale.

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« Reply #77 on: September 09, 2016, 10:13:02 PM »
Miscilaeneous  :P pictures of the twin boomer , primarilly .

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« Reply #78 on: September 09, 2016, 10:14:41 PM »
burning the midnight oil this week .

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« Reply #79 on: September 09, 2016, 10:17:35 PM »
seems to be a flaw in the space / time continum round here . A goodyear or combat wing used to take TEN HOURS . Not TEN HOURS per day ,
for a Month .  :-\ >:(

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« Reply #80 on: September 09, 2016, 10:20:47 PM »
Rubber Band Powered .  ;D

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« Reply #81 on: September 09, 2016, 10:22:24 PM »
Down Under .

Bellcrank & Leadouts Bushed etc . !  :P

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« Reply #82 on: September 09, 2016, 10:25:12 PM »
This Morning after an hours farting around .

Cowl Hold Down & Tank , Elevator sewn hinge , Wheel , Doping , F Glass inside top & Lower Nose todo before to morrow ! .  H^^

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« Reply #83 on: September 10, 2016, 09:32:04 AM »
seems to be a flaw in the space / time continum round here . A goodyear or combat wing used to take TEN HOURS . Not TEN HOURS per day ,
for a Month .  :-\ >:(

Hey, we younger back then.   I vaguely remember starting a Sterling Gaurdian kit for Navy Carrier on a Monday and test flying the next Sunday.   Of course their was only enough finish to kind of fuel proof it.
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« Reply #84 on: September 11, 2016, 08:57:48 PM »
Yea , found in winter pva combat wings built that week loosened up if flown that weekend in damp weather . Needed a week to harden up .  LL~

Fibreglassed the underside or fuse & nose at 8 pm .And slapped a few more coats  of dope on later to keep the fuel out .

Finished it at 4 am ! Had ( another ) coffee , walked up to the car with the Twin Boom & Goodyear , put em in , turned round , And DAWN had Sprung !.
Two Hour Drive so at the field at 7 : 30 , hoped for an hours rest . But Someone else was there by 8 , most by 8:30 .

Left it in the sun to Harden up ! . ;)

Mr Combat Had his American Fibreglass K&B SR Rat Racers , & a Gillott Rossi G/Y , as did Steve .

Pontificated about rotateing a backplate and carving a hole or two for the needle, crankey little suckers need a finger guard , though mostly its when you inadvertantly belt the END of the APC 7x6 .  >:(

Elevator ended up about 3/8 UP & DOWN ,( actually 1/2 Down ) Had variously contemplated a few loops - a bit of inverted - on a full tank  . BUT She Grooves well , V Steady .
snapping the handle about didnt get it jumping , so stuck to level flight .

Quite Quick and steadyer than the DARA which pilots had complimented . Heres hoping ( hopeing ) a  long and usefull life .
Left the Top of the Fuse. Off both flights .No Sleep       so line of least resistance , after lunch .

Bounces like skippy ( the Kangaroo ) on landings - so needs leg teaking fore or aft .

Will rub back / flat off , maybe paint the fuse fins & booms . Leave the wings clear. My double heavy thread elevator hinge may be a bit overboard , so may redoo with the light hi - teck stuff ( thread ).
But MAYBE the turbulator effect and extra thickness is WHY its sateady as a rock ! .

I suppose theres one wauy to find out , Do It .  H^^

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« Reply #85 on: September 11, 2016, 09:31:14 PM »
Glaring at it after pulling the engine , to clean it . repeatedly over a few hours noticed
a funny thing , the slopped on F/Glass resin , to fuel proof -

The Fancy Exhaust Flow through Clean Air Intake , was a burr on the inboard side forward .
The cresent across behind the exhaust had a slight scorch inboard of center .

The Little lump at the side up there would definately break the flow that side .

Vee Shall see if it recurs with the in. dust cleared & fully free flowing .

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« Reply #86 on: September 23, 2016, 12:48:59 PM »
Picture or two , doing a rework in a few areas due to the haste of the completion . Did I say it flew well.Cowless ! .  :-\

Plugging a few holes butchered in the top deck , Set up the ETA MkIII reed valve ( Ayrldited the reed housing into the nylon backplate , LIGHTLY . As that was not biting on the thread  )

The Mk III and the Elite have the collector ring flange , that matches the hole in the duct , theyre machined circular there . Mk I & II the cylinder screw lugs raise ' through the floor ' ,
And the Floors NOT getting butchered to clear em , so only a choice of two. The Elite Comp. backs off , itll go ( back ) in the Goodyear with a Comp. Lock bar , which wont ffit this .
So its gotta be the Mk III .

now you know . S?P

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« Reply #87 on: September 23, 2016, 01:02:47 PM »
 :-\

replacing timber above the bearers , needs a ply face ? & on the upper , to mate .
Rasped most of the G/F off the upper / front , New Hardwood Fwd ( instead of balsa ).
Spinners not it , even though it was half price . LL~ :'(
Prop , have to be a pattern, Belting them gets a single bladed version .  n1


Micro Ballon/ Epoxy to flatten the figure 8 booms , tissued over the sides , & fillets ( again ) now .

Redid the treaded hinge TWICE , as it was missaligned on ' the first thing I did ' ; when I got back .
id thought Id better keep things stoked , rather than keep off ,  :-\

Will Re F/glass upper main fuse , revent tank flush , put in the ply facings , and some #!*% attachment ,
the bicycle spoke trick isnt the best , at least where Id placed it . :-X :-\

And WHAT Colour , final decision changes twice a day , & most evenings . French Racing Blue Fuse with B R G Stripe ? the wings & fins'll stay in clear .& get a good rub back .
Picking up some 2 pot polyurethane clear down here in the big city , so will test it ( for the P 51 ) on this .  :-\ :-X

Dont think that tyre'll stay on forever either . Ive refinished the canopy mould , bottle ribs dont vanish , theres a blue sports drink one that might do the trick ,
then I'll have to paint it metallic blue , to match the car ! so the left overs some use . :-X :-\ etc .

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Re: Classic F A I . or whats the silly bugger up to now .
« Reply #88 on: September 25, 2016, 06:32:53 PM »
It is different from when I played with F2C.
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« Reply #89 on: November 10, 2016, 04:37:51 PM »
Ah , Thats because this is 1963 !  ;D LL~  The Wing is 70's . Pontificateing about , New ( sheet ) top  and rear lower on the ' boomer ' .


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« Reply #90 on: November 10, 2016, 04:43:30 PM »
Ive gouged out the goop on the booms , filler . as Id accidently used Talc & Epoxy , rather than the micro baloons , perhaps  :-\ .
Didnt save thousands of pounds  >:( , its around 20 Oz. Came out a lot easier than anticipated , after months of contemplation , :P ::) .
Big model knife , chisel for ends . 20 minute job . Although at that hour chronology maybe suspect .

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« Reply #91 on: November 10, 2016, 04:45:03 PM »
F'Wing Bellcrank. for what its worth .

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« Reply #92 on: November 10, 2016, 04:48:11 PM »
Revised top set up , narrower now , using the P51 race canopy , angled . Nice Teardrop Contours topside .

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« Reply #93 on: November 10, 2016, 04:50:30 PM »
Asender , air out .

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« Reply #94 on: November 10, 2016, 04:54:15 PM »
And Frou .

The air from the intake visable there , top of three  ;D :o , goes through the case bay , lowers'll be Fins , and Head .
Will have to get a groovey snapshot of the boomers outlets ,  H^^ .


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« Reply #95 on: November 10, 2016, 04:59:17 PM »
Mr Holliday should recognise something here .
Cunning observation may deduce the lower intake may be further evolved , undecided . But Why Not . Besides the extra work .  :! H^^

Might finish it somewhat soon , perhaps . As needs must .

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Re: Classic F A I . or whats the silly bugger up to now .
« Reply #96 on: February 18, 2017, 05:30:20 AM »
To compliment the blurrey ones a few dozen up , Ive just found a real live photograph of the pre ' Super Nova ' NOVA , with the pan & seperate rather than fuse conture Canopy .



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Turner / Hughes FAI "Mistress" ( 1864 I think ) .or a centurie later .



tho thisis labled as 68 , Has Same Number , I guess its the very same aeroplane .





Their other model is Zolotov Kobets ( or however you pronounce it ) more pictures there .
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« Reply #97 on: February 18, 2017, 06:52:23 AM »
Youd think theyred be a limit to how many silly picture youd put on . Ive Got two small drgs of ' The Mistress ' . Aeromodellor one being presumed accurate . Think the others a trifle inventive .*



Quite a reasonable plane , for a non F W thing . 4th at the Blitish Nats , 1970 . Well , one or another Was .



Though I could be wrong . It appears to match this , L E is visable , the Hardwood .


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« Reply #98 on: April 29, 2017, 09:09:53 PM »
Amazing what a bit of red paint will do . :-X


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