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Speed,Combat,Scale,Racing => Rat Racing and Team Racing => Topic started by: Air Ministry . on October 02, 2015, 09:19:23 PM
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Thats this morning , doing the leadout grooves on the Super Nova wing at 4 am as I shouldve done it last night . ' Curing ' in the sun just now .
Pictures of the ' REAL ' one .
(http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/4/5/9/8/2/a4416556-28-Nova_1964.jpg)
(http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/4/5/9/8/2/a4416557-213-Nova_II_top.jpg)
if you check the INTAKE against the plan , it proves STUDYING pictures proves the plans not neccesarilly 1000 % ,
though they did a few of these , so maybe one was . Therefore being pedantic can lead you up the creek .
(http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/4/5/9/8/2/a4416558-98-Nova-II_front.jpg)
Seems the camera went off whilst I wasnt looking . though you never know . :(
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So, this ones the cause of the addled brain cells .
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vauge approximation of its finished plan , its purloined from Horton / Harworth & Heaton Ross 75 Desiigns ,
though theres a coparable American layout from 1960 Odd . Built the Horton one in 74 with a RVD , timed at 90
( if it wasnt the ETA :-\) used a 1/4 sheet wing that tended to emulate the seagulls in the gusts or ' under control '
( movement ) at speed. And sumasulted nicely landing in bad grass .
Super Tigre RVD for the wing , ETA 15 for the Nova .
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The 4 x 36 in sheet of 3/8 weighed 128 grammes , and still weighs that shaped . :o with the cedar l.e. & t.e. . At least it shouldnt flex . :P
This is the Super Nova one , its not so bad ,
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Its a fairly long wing , wasa sheet of 4 x 48 x 3/8 I found that seemed fai rly stiff , and the grain flowed with the shape . Spans 45 in. !
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That Supernova wing is LONG! I don't think the PDF that I have mentions the span. Just that you have to splice it if building from 36" balsa.
I've been "collecting" old Racer plans from the net but don't remember the "wing". What is it? Do you have a scan? I like the fuselage lines.
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I've been "collecting" old Racer plans from the net but don't remember the "wing". What is it? Do you have a scan? I like the fuselage lines.
I've seen a plan for what I thought was a Horton "B" class TR "wing". It was probably on the Barton forum.
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Hymph . Mutter . forgot the camera ( as this computors the public library ones ) .
Yea , the Span is 45 inches , 4 1/4 root chord , tip chord 1 3/16 .
Got the wing shaved and sanded to primary airfoil. Like to let it ease in and finish over a week or two , to ' stress relieve .
As in if you did one side of one side shaped and finished itd pull itself out of shape as you did the next .
Ive a drawing for a twin boom 60's place / harworth ETA 15 T/R . that I put the picture from ' the Rallies ' aside ,
and havnt been able to find for MONTHS . >:(Looking in the old mags of ' engine tests ' I found two pictures from 63 of the plane
when it was just the ' NOVA ' same get up , bar front deck like a pan & wrap around windshield to similar but contured rear X section.
Ive put 1/16 ply one tips foor the streamline ' bullets ' / Gotta find a few things yet , Do a Bellcrank , but its pretty simple .
Dug this out looking for the Harworth One. They did a series ( this is Third at that Nats ( pic of finalists ) . ) I havnt a scanner ,
buttle photo a few blow ups of their 1/2 A and others . Be a bit frightening ina B . My first one ' glued into the groove ' so you
had to jerk the controls to get it to jump , say overtakeing - but was just built & flown . No medling with c.g. or suchlike .
Think it mustve been the RV so likely noseheavyish .
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Dunno if these are materialiseing , so will put the link here .
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/o~8AAOSwQPlV~a4l/$_57.JPG)
http://www.ebay.ie/sch/i.html?_odkw=aero+modeller+1965&_sop=1&_osacat=20081&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xaero+modeller+1975.TRS0&_nkw=aero+modeller+1975&_sacat=20081 or TRY . cover of the August 75 aeromodelor ( scrounged from ebay ) mines ' a derivative ' of it . ;)
Wonders never cease ! link if you click on the picture will get it 50000 times the size . ;)
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That Supernova wing is LONG! I don't think the PDF that I have mentions the span. Just that you have to splice it if building from 36" balsa.
I've been "collecting" old Racer plans from the net but don't remember the "wing". What is it? Do you have a scan? I like the fuselage lines.
It Like That ! ;D
Do you have anything on this G 15 FI Rumple powered thing . ??
BRENDEL/GLODECK TEAM RACE G/A drg GERMANY BRENDEL/GLODECK 36 C W TeamRace AM7111 614
BRENDEL/GLODECK TEAM RACE G/A drg MZ110 GERMANY BRENDEL/GLODECK 36 C W TeamRace MODEZ7108 insert
details flogged from the SAM thingo .
Will photocopy the British 70's Fwing Thing pictures I have , enlarged , and use the Camera phone, without the phone . LL~ %^@
Aeromudler Harworth / Place .
(http://magazine-pdf.com/uploads/posts/2014-11/thumbs/1416772350_6592.jpg)
(http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/4/5/9/8/2/a3756969-254-Gerry%20Hand%201965.JPG)
this ones a mystery . " 1965 FAI class racer by Gerry Hand of Ireland "
Must be a parrallel universe .
(http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=e435d42374cf809326b2440e88f036f8&action=dlattach;topic=507.0;attach=64198;image)
Bears more than a passing resemblance to Don Burkes GRMZYPH , which the plan is under the bench . >:(
along with ' one or two ' others . Got the drawing direct from the magazine , for the Fwing .
RAY , Im after some 3/8 or 1/2 or 1/4 Mag or alloy plate , if you have some spare & are down next sunday , and I'll whittle one up .
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(http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/4/5/9/8/2/a3756969-254-Gerry%20Hand%201965.JPG)
this ones a mystery . " 1965 FAI class racer by Gerry Hand of Ireland "
Must be a parrallel universe .
Bears more than a passing resemblance to Don Burkes GRMZYPH...
I don't remember where I got that photo... maybe some ACLN issue??? EDIT: Nope, it was "Classic FAI Newsletter 3" http://aerosports.net.au/LS/Classic_FAI_Teamrace_Site/Newsletters.html
I have another one of that model from John O'Sullivan (Irishman now in Canada), taken at 1965 Irish Nats.
I thought it resembles the 1963 Zolotoverch & Kobets model.
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Beautiful planes back in the 70's shame what it turned into but form follows function I guess.
MM
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Racing 50s to early 70's style 2.5cc models seems to have some following in at least Australia, NZ and UK....
Plans for models of that time are available at "the usual free plans sites", and the thread I started in the C/L section on rcgroups - and of course many individuals who have them on paper.
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Who needs plans, I still got the planes lol.
MM
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some of the most classic and beautiful lines of c/l
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Who needs plans, I still got the planes lol.
Pictures is all I've even seen.... Likely, until I build something that at least looks like one.
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Who needs plans, I still got the planes lol.
MM
Pictures, we want pictures {-)
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Who needs plans, I still got the planes lol.
MM
LL~ LL~
(http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=40839.0;attach=169163;image)
thatsa newone ! Don Burke mentions messing around with F.A.I. , wonder which predates what .
THE OTHER PICTURE of it , is in a olde smae ' Model Aircraft ' mag , from 65 or maybe aeromuddler , I have .
Holiday Yesterday in regard to MOIR , Got a few more pics to puton tomorrow , got a little done & XFW drg. finalised at 3 am the other day .
Quite amusing being half asleep and being all artistic rather than logic , though the infos devoured theres to much to be to logical ,
so the synthisis through ' balance ' equalises the weight of information . Then you can be a well balanced Australian ,
With a Chip on Both Shoulders ! .
S?P LL~ S?P
Just calculated Phil Staples 3.56.9 for ten miles with his ' B ' , 99.99999999 etc , Must think He's Malcolm Uphill .
(http://www.vintagebike.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/gallery/racingpictures/malcolm-uphill-in-1969-796x570.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldRNcXMfZDo
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flooged these from rc wo , Er . . .
(http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_14441959461749&key=8a24c98a696b4e5723db293f62190b87&libId=ifgcygwa010004o4000DA5ypf0y6u&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rcgroups.com%2Fforums%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D1530258%26page%3D2&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.rcgroups.net%2Fforums%2Fattachments%2F2%2F5%2F5%2F3%2F6%2Fa4386877-221-Ken%2520Parent%2520Downsview%25201968ab.jpg&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rcgroups.com%2Fforums%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D1530258&title=Control%20Line%20Team%20Racer%20plans%20and%20pictures%20-%20Page%202%20-%20RC%20Groups&txt=)
(http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_144419602131611&key=8a24c98a696b4e5723db293f62190b87&libId=ifgcygwa010004o4000DA5ypf0y6u&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rcgroups.com%2Fforums%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D1530258%26page%3D2&v=1&out=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.rcgroups.net%2Fforums%2Fattachments%2F2%2F5%2F5%2F3%2F6%2Fa4386878-127-Ken%2520Parent%2520Downsview%25201968aa.jpg&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rcgroups.com%2Fforums%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D1530258&title=Control%20Line%20Team%20Racer%20plans%20and%20pictures%20-%20Page%202%20-%20RC%20Groups&txt=)
To keeps the peasants from revolting ! VD~ ;D
Parent Kelly Machine . Some Say to be ' the best ' looking FAI T / R built .
One thing here the blokes with honda engines in their Nortons get better economy m so real ( period ) engines need 10 cc tanks to give range parity .
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(http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=40839.0;attach=169163;image)
I started flying rat in 1959 with the Wash DC club. Designed GRMZPF after moving to Cal in 1962, the TR evolved from the rat.
thatsa newone ! Don Burke mentions messing around with F.A.I. , wonder which predates what .
THE OTHER PICTURE of it , is in a olde smae ' Model Aircraft ' mag , from 65 or maybe aeromuddler , I have .
Holiday Yesterday in regard to MOIR , Got a few more pics to puton tomorrow , got a little done & XFW drg. finalised at 3 am the other day .
Quite amusing being half asleep and being all artistic rather than logic , though the infos devoured theres to much to be to logical ,
so the synthisis through ' balance ' equalises the weight of information . Then you can be a well balanced Australian ,
With a Chip on Both Shoulders ! .
S?P LL~ S?P
Just calculated Phil Staples 3.56.9 for ten miles with his ' B ' , 99.99999999 etc , Must think He's Malcolm Uphill .
(http://www.vintagebike.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/gallery/racingpictures/malcolm-uphill-in-1969-796x570.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldRNcXMfZDo
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(http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/4/5/9/8/2/a4390967-11-Grmzpf-bt.jpg)
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stupid computors playing up .Final evolution of F Wing Fuse . Drg .
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Another Devious Scheme , Burning the Midnight Oil .
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My Take on it . ETA 15 , Tigress Nose figured in the plot .
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XFW aeromudle mag .
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Heaton Ross .
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Dolgner , USA , 1962
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Heaton & Ross . Bugl . 75 ish
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Horton .
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Notta Nother One . Wing for Twin Boom ETA ship .
33 span , 5 1/2 Chord , 4 1/2 Tip . Rubber Bands , spacers etc . Shave ends & rear & fit 1/8 Sq TE next .
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Lump on 2nd from lefts C Case Corner , V clever , we thought . at the time . Many Full Size aircraft , the cowling ' wraps 'the Cam Covers .
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From Rear .
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Nova Tip
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retook to reduce pixies .
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Phil Staples N.Z. Record Holder ' B ' , ST 21/29 ABC FI . Not a City Slicker .
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(GRMZPF photo)
That is the GRMZPF photo that I've seen before. Then, I've seen some rough GRMZPF plan scans that look more like a Rat Racer???
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I've never before seen the designs in the other photos. Interesting. The "Phil Staples B" looks great. Is there more information about it?
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Don sent me a pdf of the GRMZPH ' B ' that ive recently had printed , Print shop said he would hold the scan for me, hasn't sent it yet .Will check .
Spoke to Mr Staples by phone in Wanganui several years ago . Ive been scribbling on a picture to ascertain dimensions . Should see if He is still with us.Im sure he said the span was 21 & tailplane 16 forty years ago !. Remember the paint wraps in a bead at the flat tips , so theyre
' boundary layer ' like a golf ball . 8)
Theres one other F'wing picture somewhere ( Horton , wonder if he's related TO Horten ? :##). Will do the Nova / supernova ones one day ,
One is ETA 3.2 cc in Supernova In ' B ' Finals at British Nats .
Fell free to ' borrow ' the printed pictures / plans .
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(http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/4/5/9/8/2/a4388086-45-Gemini-IV.jpg)
appears to not be the same Irishman . >:( But Appears to be the same Flying surfaces .
Maybe compatriots .
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Current state of play .
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Got some pan hold down nut thingos , so might get a bit of progress . Need to conjure up bellcranks .
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ok , fitting the BOOMS , 10 mm Dia. carbon tube , cut the 40 in length in half for accuracy of alignment . A Tip .
If you play Paul Robeson and put it on the bench , It comes out exactly aligned First time . ;) ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg7bPgrosAE
What a Surprise . H^^
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ok Tail Feathers on the FWing , which the REGULATIONS say is Not O.K. S?P
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Next Morning .
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A Differant ANGLE . :o
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This Saturday Morning , Mk III ETA 15 in the Boomer . Dual carbon 2 off 2 x 10 Dia booms .
That wings STIFF being built from a slightly HARD sheet of 3/8 .
The Mk IIIs a reed valve , the Mk III case has flanges to mate to a exhaust duct , to seperate the cooling & Exhaust ducts .
Anyone got any ETA parts of K&B 15 Schnurle ( 1972 / 74 ) pieces or ' B ' stamped motor spare .
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More Drudgery and Whittling .
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If its not there , it doesnt weigh anything . :-\
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To much 1/2 square hardwood gets it built like a Sherman Tank . With a comparable weight . A afternoons hacking got rid of most of it , and other ' clearances ' for the RVD got rid of more , so weights back acceptable and the Original Idea of ' replacing ' the one Id built in the 70's ( Replicateingish ) back on track ,
with one or two ' allowances ' .
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Seeing Classic A & B here ban Flying Wings , and B requires Two Wheels - we'll ( :##) cover a few other options. Perhaps . Calculateing of the Combat G-15 & five minutes on 110 cc on 10% Nitro , a G-15 should give 30 laps on 30 cc. Or a G-15/19 for , as the wheels removable I can always upset the serius Speed Flyers with it ! .
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Tips are double 1 / 32 ply epoxied round a 1 1/8 dia. tube to mould . Theyll have a hardwood rounded fore / underpart .
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Back to the Twin Boom 60's ' Wharfdale ' device. Id put the magazine with the photo ' back in the stack ' , and have given up looking for it after six months of periodic
searches . >:(
Basically a replica ( we're trying , anyway ) of the original pommy one . Though inevitably we're getting a bit carried away with the cooling & exhaust ducting .
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That views from under , this is above . The Engine sits on 3/16 metal plates , drilled & tapped , epoxied and screwed to the 1/2 Sq. Hardwood Crutch .
Got all the nose shaped in the wee small hours , cant seem to rest untill the days objectives are behind me . :(
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The Ply theres the TOP of the Exhaust Outlet ' separator ' though you could turn the picture over . The Slot allows air up to the crankcase chamber .
Hopefully ' Feeds ' it up , if I figure where to put oulets to extract it to create pressure differential so its efficent . :P
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A bit more in focus and a trifle smoothed over . H^^
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i have a NIB K&B schnurle for sale
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Exhaust Duct . Hasnt got the lower lid on yet . the motor doesnt have s.p.i. , but figure a little airflow through wont hurt .
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F Wing Tips.
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In the building.
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in the Finishing.
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Under.
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And as mightve been ascertained from the prvious background , The Supernova Crutch .
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Exhaust Through Duct .
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A Side .
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Zee Lid .
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The F Wing .set up . The INTAKE there is purely to the Crank Case for Cooling .
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Theres another two over ( under ) with a spliter at the top ( bottom ) of the cylinder , so the Head has its own duct also .
Figuring a induction intake . A piece of the big alumn. stut material would be a good feed off a tube , the Place Harworth Supernova that broke a line ( blue & silver one from 65 ) had a SNORKLE much like a 80s Grand Prix cars at the roll cage , up behind the canopy .
Will get those pictures on in a while .
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Two appaling ( quality ) pictures of the 63 ' Nova ' ( pre supernova )
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You can just about see it has a 'Vee' windshield and engine pan , and a smaller pilot . ( Harworth was Taller :##)
yes , I may have to photocopy enlarge & repost !
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Na Na Na Na Nah na nahh .
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BATPLANE ? :-\
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Crank Case air outlet will be biufricated by the rudder, sort of a Stockton / Jehlick ' Jefe ' derivative .
The Dual Wing Fins might do the anti vortex trick , with a bit of luck .
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The 60's Wharfdale twin boom sucker .
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Theres a picture in a old aeromuddler of a Eric Burden looking brat with a profile twin boom sea vixen catapult launch glider .
The bungy chords like youd use for a R/C glider and its reported to do 110 or 130 MPH . Stand CLEAR ! .
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Theres a Thing.
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ST 15 RVD .
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Very interesting designs. The twin boom looks like a lot of elevator.
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GRMZPF plan, reduced scale.
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Miscilaeneous :P pictures of the twin boomer , primarilly .
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burning the midnight oil this week .
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seems to be a flaw in the space / time continum round here . A goodyear or combat wing used to take TEN HOURS . Not TEN HOURS per day ,
for a Month . :-\ >:(
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Rubber Band Powered . ;D
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Down Under .
Bellcrank & Leadouts Bushed etc . ! :P
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This Morning after an hours farting around .
Cowl Hold Down & Tank , Elevator sewn hinge , Wheel , Doping , F Glass inside top & Lower Nose todo before to morrow ! . H^^
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seems to be a flaw in the space / time continum round here . A goodyear or combat wing used to take TEN HOURS . Not TEN HOURS per day ,
for a Month . :-\ >:(
Hey, we younger back then. I vaguely remember starting a Sterling Gaurdian kit for Navy Carrier on a Monday and test flying the next Sunday. Of course their was only enough finish to kind of fuel proof it.
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Yea , found in winter pva combat wings built that week loosened up if flown that weekend in damp weather . Needed a week to harden up . LL~
Fibreglassed the underside or fuse & nose at 8 pm .And slapped a few more coats of dope on later to keep the fuel out .
Finished it at 4 am ! Had ( another ) coffee , walked up to the car with the Twin Boom & Goodyear , put em in , turned round , And DAWN had Sprung !.
Two Hour Drive so at the field at 7 : 30 , hoped for an hours rest . But Someone else was there by 8 , most by 8:30 .
Left it in the sun to Harden up ! . ;)
Mr Combat Had his American Fibreglass K&B SR Rat Racers , & a Gillott Rossi G/Y , as did Steve .
Pontificated about rotateing a backplate and carving a hole or two for the needle, crankey little suckers need a finger guard , though mostly its when you inadvertantly belt the END of the APC 7x6 . >:(
Elevator ended up about 3/8 UP & DOWN ,( actually 1/2 Down ) Had variously contemplated a few loops - a bit of inverted - on a full tank . BUT She Grooves well , V Steady .
snapping the handle about didnt get it jumping , so stuck to level flight .
Quite Quick and steadyer than the DARA which pilots had complimented . Heres hoping ( hopeing ) a long and usefull life .
Left the Top of the Fuse. Off both flights .No Sleep so line of least resistance , after lunch .
Bounces like skippy ( the Kangaroo ) on landings - so needs leg teaking fore or aft .
Will rub back / flat off , maybe paint the fuse fins & booms . Leave the wings clear. My double heavy thread elevator hinge may be a bit overboard , so may redoo with the light hi - teck stuff ( thread ).
But MAYBE the turbulator effect and extra thickness is WHY its sateady as a rock ! .
I suppose theres one wauy to find out , Do It . H^^
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Glaring at it after pulling the engine , to clean it . repeatedly over a few hours noticed
a funny thing , the slopped on F/Glass resin , to fuel proof -
The Fancy Exhaust Flow through Clean Air Intake , was a burr on the inboard side forward .
The cresent across behind the exhaust had a slight scorch inboard of center .
The Little lump at the side up there would definately break the flow that side .
Vee Shall see if it recurs with the in. dust cleared & fully free flowing .
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Picture or two , doing a rework in a few areas due to the haste of the completion . Did I say it flew well.Cowless ! . :-\
Plugging a few holes butchered in the top deck , Set up the ETA MkIII reed valve ( Ayrldited the reed housing into the nylon backplate , LIGHTLY . As that was not biting on the thread )
The Mk III and the Elite have the collector ring flange , that matches the hole in the duct , theyre machined circular there . Mk I & II the cylinder screw lugs raise ' through the floor ' ,
And the Floors NOT getting butchered to clear em , so only a choice of two. The Elite Comp. backs off , itll go ( back ) in the Goodyear with a Comp. Lock bar , which wont ffit this .
So its gotta be the Mk III .
now you know . S?P
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replacing timber above the bearers , needs a ply face ? & on the upper , to mate .
Rasped most of the G/F off the upper / front , New Hardwood Fwd ( instead of balsa ).
Spinners not it , even though it was half price . LL~ :'(
Prop , have to be a pattern, Belting them gets a single bladed version . n1
Micro Ballon/ Epoxy to flatten the figure 8 booms , tissued over the sides , & fillets ( again ) now .
Redid the treaded hinge TWICE , as it was missaligned on ' the first thing I did ' ; when I got back .
id thought Id better keep things stoked , rather than keep off , :-\
Will Re F/glass upper main fuse , revent tank flush , put in the ply facings , and some #!*% attachment ,
the bicycle spoke trick isnt the best , at least where Id placed it . :-X :-\
And WHAT Colour , final decision changes twice a day , & most evenings . French Racing Blue Fuse with B R G Stripe ? the wings & fins'll stay in clear .& get a good rub back .
Picking up some 2 pot polyurethane clear down here in the big city , so will test it ( for the P 51 ) on this . :-\ :-X
Dont think that tyre'll stay on forever either . Ive refinished the canopy mould , bottle ribs dont vanish , theres a blue sports drink one that might do the trick ,
then I'll have to paint it metallic blue , to match the car ! so the left overs some use . :-X :-\ etc .
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It is different from when I played with F2C.
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Ah , Thats because this is 1963 ! ;D LL~ The Wing is 70's . Pontificateing about , New ( sheet ) top and rear lower on the ' boomer ' .
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Ive gouged out the goop on the booms , filler . as Id accidently used Talc & Epoxy , rather than the micro baloons , perhaps :-\ .
Didnt save thousands of pounds >:( , its around 20 Oz. Came out a lot easier than anticipated , after months of contemplation , :P ::) .
Big model knife , chisel for ends . 20 minute job . Although at that hour chronology maybe suspect .
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F'Wing Bellcrank. for what its worth .
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Revised top set up , narrower now , using the P51 race canopy , angled . Nice Teardrop Contours topside .
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Asender , air out .
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And Frou .
The air from the intake visable there , top of three ;D :o , goes through the case bay , lowers'll be Fins , and Head .
Will have to get a groovey snapshot of the boomers outlets , H^^ .
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Mr Holliday should recognise something here .
Cunning observation may deduce the lower intake may be further evolved , undecided . But Why Not . Besides the extra work . :! H^^
Might finish it somewhat soon , perhaps . As needs must .
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To compliment the blurrey ones a few dozen up , Ive just found a real live photograph of the pre ' Super Nova ' NOVA , with the pan & seperate rather than fuse conture Canopy .
(http://m2.i.pbase.com/g4/40/424040/2/140526482.WfJYNPXj.jpg)
Filched From : http://www.pbase.com/johnlich/derek_allen
(http://m1.i.pbase.com/g4/40/424040/2/143165951.ikiy18E4.jpg)
Turner / Hughes FAI "Mistress" ( 1864 I think ) .or a centurie later .
(http://m2.i.pbase.com/g4/40/424040/2/144620212.1zxsK6qp.jpg)
tho thisis labled as 68 , Has Same Number , I guess its the very same aeroplane .
(http://m0.i.pbase.com/g4/40/424040/2/144620210.Y5UDCj3i.jpg)
(http://m6.i.pbase.com/g2/40/424040/2/148929426.O4Z2oYVv.jpg)
Their other model is Zolotov Kobets ( or however you pronounce it ) more pictures there .
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Youd think theyred be a limit to how many silly picture youd put on . Ive Got two small drgs of ' The Mistress ' . Aeromodellor one being presumed accurate . Think the others a trifle inventive .*
(http://m7.i.pbase.com/g9/40/424040/2/154575497.P7CrROLf.jpg)
Quite a reasonable plane , for a non F W thing . 4th at the Blitish Nats , 1970 . Well , one or another Was .
(http://m5.i.pbase.com/g9/40/424040/2/154575495.aWw9DNCX.jpg)
Though I could be wrong . It appears to match this , L E is visable , the Hardwood .
(http://m7.i.pbase.com/g9/40/424040/2/154213407.GbukqOQT.jpg)
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Amazing what a bit of red paint will do . :-X
(http://controlline.org.uk/phpBB2/userpix/98_matt_and_models004_1.jpg)(http://controlline.org.uk/phpBB2/userpix/98_matt_and_models005_1.jpg)(http://controlline.org.uk/phpBB2/userpix/98_matt_and_models003_2.jpg)
Out in the sun to long . S?P
(http://controlline.org.uk/phpBB2/userpix/98_matt_and_models001_1.jpg)
pictures curtousey Elsewhere .