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Tom Vieira

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Carving Wings
« on: February 22, 2019, 08:02:19 AM »
In the next week or so, I'm going to start building Bill B's "Margaret June" from the MA plans while the tissue and dope is drying on my Gypsy.

I blame Bob Heywood ;)

Wondering if you guys have any tips for carving the wing?

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Re: Carving Wings
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2019, 08:15:27 AM »
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Re: Carving Wings
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2019, 08:23:28 AM »
I may be bringing a plank over to your place after a couple of failed attempts to have you carve it!  hahahahahaha!

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Re: Carving Wings
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2019, 08:51:19 PM »
My shop only had fluorescent lights when I "shaped" the wing on my Lil Quickie.  Only after glassing it and sanding it in sunlight did I realize that it had a flat airfoil, much like the British combat wings in years past.  Seems that fluorescent light doesn't show contours like natural light does.  I have now installed better lighting but haven't done another solid wing since.  Next time I'll sand it outside in the sun.

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Re: Carving Wings
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2019, 10:15:27 PM »
T.J.V.

Methods for accurately shaping solid wings have been around apparently forever. Probably pre-date Zaic. I expected to find the "progressive line" method in his glider handbook--but did not. In this method you sand progressive flats down to a pair of reference lines that move when each prior flat is finished. You can infer the progression from the end view.

For example, make a mark down from the top on the front of the LE that is say 25% of the thickness. Make a mark on the top surface that is ~20% of chord. Sand a flat between the lines. Then make a mark on the face of the LE that is 50% of the blank thickness and one on the top surface that is at maybe 15% of the chord. Sand a flat down to these lines. Keep going forward and down with your reference marks until the facets are just about the shape of the reference section. Then simply smooth the cusps and finally do a chordwise blocksanding motion.

The same method is used on the aft section, but it may only take one or two facets for a thin racing wing.

I would draw the airfoil and then pick dimensions aft of the LE to create a ink line. Gel pens work well since the dent the wood less and soak in much less. This improves accuracy and reduces ugly.

If you do not have good marking gauges, go get one (or better, several different types!)  I have found that fake credit cards that come in the mail make great shims for marking.  Stack up as many as you need. Then push the stack up against the LE of your wing blank, held down with weights on your proverbial flat work table. Poke the pen up against the top of the cards and the LE and slide the cards and pen along the full length.

On pine, spruce, or basswood wing blanks I use a full-sized hand plane. You breathe less sawdust that way, and is kind of fun when you get it tuned just right. On balsa LEs I use a Master Airscrew hobby plane for the forwardmost cuts, and then finish the facet with the sanding block.

The important thing to realize is that there is a progression that will create an accurate airfoil in distinct steps. It isn't just a freehand orgy with a large sanding block.

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« Last Edit: February 24, 2019, 01:58:09 AM by Dave Hull »

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Re: Carving Wings
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2019, 10:46:17 PM »
A word of caution: On Margaret June, the maple bellcrank mount is offset 1/2" outboard of center. Be sure you have the wing right side up when you start shaping. Otherwise, the bellcrank mount will end up offset to the inboard of center.

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Re: Carving Wings
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2019, 10:10:17 AM »
Funny this thread just popped up as I have a  Margaret June wing assembled and waiting to be shaped. I think I understand Dave's technique even though I'm more of a large sanding block and a variety of sandpaper type of modeler. Just wanted to confirm the process to make sure I get this right (even though I have read the excellent construction article numerous times).

On the Margaret June wing there is a taper from the center (3/8") to the tips (1/4"). This taper is done on the top of the wing, not the bottom which remains flat, correct? Technique wise,do you all suggest that the airfoil be put in first then the taper, or (as I suspect) the taper, leaving the wing flat but tapered from the top and ready to be shaped? FWIW: All other parts are complete so when the wing is finished it won't be long till it becomes an airplane!  AP^
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Re: Carving Wings
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2019, 11:02:16 AM »
I will taper the wing thickness before worrying about the airfoil. Use the edge of a ruler placed on top of the spar to check your progress. Be careful not to sand too much in the middle of each panel so the taper is not "dished out" or concave. The bottom remains flat.

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Re: Carving Wings
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2019, 05:21:01 PM »
Or follow the plans...

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Re: Carving Wings
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2019, 06:13:57 PM »
Mark Drela (who's that, lol? ) has some good tips on accurately shaping solid balsa surfaces on his clubs website, Charles River Radio Control.

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Re: Carving Wings
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2019, 10:39:51 PM »
Thanks to all for the tips. Will follow instructions and check out that website. As the man said, it's just like shaping a hand launch glider wing...been there, done that, but it was many years ago.  8)
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Re: Carving Wings
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2019, 02:12:45 AM »
Pete,

It's the same website you saw a couple weeks ago. The description could be refined for the constant taper wings we are talking about here.

If I'm going to glass the wing using a vacuum bag and glass plate, I prefer the flat bottom. On the other hand, most planes actually look better in my opinion if the thickness taper is on the bottom, and the wing is straight on the top. This is even more the case if the LE has a lot of taper. With the tapering on the bottom, the wing doesn't look as "droopy." Not really much difference in the amount of work, but you have to get your shims and sanding techniques right or you end up with twist.

One technique that works good is to glue a 1/16" spruce TE onto your finished blank. That gives a really good reference for the rear. I do the same thing with a larger piece in the front for the LE.

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Re: Carving Wings
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2019, 09:43:13 AM »
For a tapered solid wing is I use two 1/8" x 1/2" spruces as a core spar. 

I add shims to the desired thickness at the center.  Then I glue the tips together resulting in 1/4" thickness at the tips.

So I end up with a tapered spar assembly, 1/4" at the tips and whatever I want at the center.  After cleanup the front and read blocks are glued on and I have a target to sand to.

A cheap low grade belt sander from Harbor Freight gets the shaping done. 
 
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Re: Carving Wings
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2019, 06:03:02 AM »
thanks for the tips guys!

yesterday was productive!  wing still needs final sanding and shaping, but coming along!

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Re: Carving Wings
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2019, 07:52:33 AM »
Looks good! keep at it.

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