stunthanger.com
Speed,Combat,Scale,Racing => Rat Racing and Team Racing => Topic started by: BillLee on July 21, 2013, 09:09:12 PM
-
If you haven't been watching Melvin's reports in the NATs News, here are the results for CL Racing.
Bill
Monday:
F2C Team Race
1st | Lambert/Fluker | 3:24.78 | 7:06.56 |
2nd | Wilk/Fisher | 3:22.60 | 102 laps |
3rd | Wallick/Brozo | 3:49.97 | 75 laps |
4th | Polak/Urtubey | 6:23.81 | |
5th | Rolley/Johnson | 73 laps | |
6th | Topunov/Elbert | 36 laps | |
F2CN
1st | Wallick/Brozo | 4:37.88 | 8:37.10 |
2nd | Lee/Bischoff | 4:32.68 | 9:10.59 |
3rd | Akre/Duly | 5:12.78 | 38 laps |
B-TR
1st | Lee/Bischoff | 6:43.38 |
2nd | Betz/Johnson | 14:42.12 |
3rd | Duly/Akre | 85 laps |
4th | Sopka/Fluker | 76 laps |
Tuesday
Scale Race (Goodyear)
1st | Oge | 3:23.97 | 8:38.47 |
2nd | Greb | 3:19.70 | 9:07.66 |
3rd | Gall | 3:31.38 | 68 laps |
4th | Akre | 3:28.12 | 37 laps |
5th | Bischoff | 3:51.10 | |
6th | Betz | 6:35.00 | |
Super Slow Rat
1st | Greb | 5:26.91 |
2nd | Bischoff | 5:30.68 |
3rd | Bradley | 6:16.18 |
4th | Gleason | 6:22.65 |
5th | Lee | 6:25.53 |
Fox Race1st | Oge | 6:38.25 |
2nd | Schuette | 7:54.40 |
3rd | Betz | 8:09.63 |
Wednesday:
Slow Rat | Jim Gall | 3:28.48 | 6:23.61 |
| Bill Bischoff | 3:19.33 | 6:53.50 |
| Jim Bradley | 3:34.90 | 8:28.28 |
| Robert Oge | 4:09.83 | 11:04.70 |
Clown1st | Bill Lee | 142 Laps | 291 Laps |
2nd | Les Akre | 141 Laps | 281 Laps |
3rd | Jim Bradley | 129 Laps | 235 Laps |
The Clown results were using the NATs-only rules of 60' lines and shut-offs allowed.
Thursday
Rat1st | Bill Bischoff | 3:16.46 | 6:58.56 |
2nd | Les Akre | 3:25.75 | 9:42.09 |
3rd | Mike Greb | 3:40.45 | |
4th | David Betz | 3:50.00 | |
Mouse I1st | Bill Lee | 2:18.56 | 5:17.25 |
2nd | Dave Rolley | 2:57.12 | 7:19.20 |
3rd | Les Akre | 2:45.68 | 40 Laps |
4th | Mike Greb | 2:38.63 | |
5th | Bill Bischoff | 3:14.10 | |
6th | David Betz | 5:42.56 | |
7th | Melvin Schuette | 39 Laps | |
TQR1st | Bill Lee | 2:58.72 * |
2nd | Bill Bischoff | 3:14.81 |
3rd | Bob Oge | 3:44.45 |
4th | Jim Bradley | 3:57.83 |
5th | Mike Greb | 14 Laps |
*New Record
High point: Bill Lee
Sportsmanship: Mike Greb
-
And they say No One flys F2C there . n1 Any film of this or Good Year on U Tube or the like ? Thanks .
Looks like a good turnout . They must build & fly Aeroplanes rather than asteing time on Forums . VD~ S?P
-
Thanks for the report Bill. As I have not attended a NATS for some years now, the NATS News on line is the only way I keep in touch other than this forum.
-
Thanks Bill for the update and CONGRATS on your new record setting flight. You and Bill Bischoff, Mike Greb, Dale Gleason really showed the depth of DMAA! You made us proud.
Steve Thornton
-
Just so everyone who is interested knows......there is a shortage of pilots for just about all types of Racing, locally and at the NATs.
Bill Bischoff flies for many entries other than himself. I am constantly amazed at his ability to do this, it takes stamina beyond belief and he has it. I entered Super Slow Rat and "flew" my plane two heats. I flew Mike Greb's ship two heats and a final. The temperature was mid-nineties, humidity really high, my brain was cooked. Billy B. flew probably ten times that amount, F2CN, Scale Race, Super Slow, Quickie Rat, BTR, Clown, for himself and many others.
The guys in the pits have it tough, also, in spades! I told Bill Lee if I failed to get the plane to him, just forget it. Of course, I got it to him, but hit him in the shin. And he ran and got it. Then, I hit him on takeoff a few times......don't ask me how, I don't know, remember, my brain was poached, it was hot!
3...2...1....GO! All three start at once, at the first half lap, Billy B has an announcement to make, "I have NO control, nothing." Pretty much bedlam ensues, I decide to go high, maybe stay out of the way, but Bill, with no control is pretty high, too, with a faster plane, so he is going underneath me. "What the **** are doing, Dale??!!", he asks. "Change hands!", says I. He has already reached around me, changes hands, everyone gets out of the way. In time, all three of us run out of fuel, Bill Lee's plane, perfectly balanced, lands safely, still no control, elevator locked in neutral.
Two questions:
What if we had thongs connecting our handles to our wrists? What if we had shutoffs?
It was fun, thanks to all,
dg
-
Just so everyone who is interested knows......there is a shortage of pilots for just about all types of Racing, locally and at the NATs.
Bill Bischoff flies for many entries other than himself. I am constantly amazed at his ability to do this, it takes stamina beyond belief and he has it. I entered Super Slow Rat and "flew" my plane two heats. I flew Mike Greb's ship two heats and a final. The temperature was mid-nineties, humidity really high, my brain was cooked. Billy B. flew probably ten times that amount, F2CN, Scale Race, Super Slow, Quickie Rat, BTR, Clown, for himself and many others.
The guys in the pits have it tough, also, in spades! I told Bill Lee if I failed to get the plane to him, just forget it. Of course, I got it to him, by hitting him in the shin. And he ran and got it. Then, I hit him on takeoff a few times......don't ask me how, I don't know, remember, my brain was poached, it was hot!
3...2...1....GO! All three start at once, at the first half lap, Billy B has an announcement to make, "I have NO control, nothing." Pretty much bedlam ensues, I decide to go high, maybe stay out of the way, but Bill, with no control is pretty high, too, with a faster plane, so he is going underneath me. "What the **** are doing, Dale??!!", he asks. "Change hands!", says I. He has already reached around me, changes hands, everyone gets out of the way. In time, all three of us run out of fuel, Bill Lee's plane, perfectly balanced, lands safely, still no control, elevator locked in neutral.
Two questions:
What if we had thongs connecting our handles to our wrists? What if we had shutoffs?
It was fun, thanks to all,
dg
Nice save! Believe it or not having shutoffs IMO would not have helped anything. Incidents like that I've seen have been over so quickly that shutoff or not the outcome would have been the same. If BB had a shutoff it couldn't have been tripped anyway with locked controls!
-
Right, Don. My model had a complete control failure. We hooked up the lines, set the handle, did the pull-test and ll was o.k. But as Dale said, they were locked in dead neutral. The model flew the whole tank out, Bill did a masterful job of it! Did a bit of g-lining when the motor quit, and landed safely.
No, we could not have shut off, but shut-offs on the other two models could have been used. If my model had been doing anything but flying level ( a bit high, but level) there would have been a serious situation. And this was one of those times when there WAS time to make the decision and do it, just not necessary this time.
BTW, the model is going back to Texas with the controls still locked up, for McCollum to do a PM to find out what happened.
I still turned a time in the second heat with a new, not-ready-for-prime-time model.
-
Right, Don. My model had a complete control failure. We hooked up the lines, set the handle, did the pull-test and ll was o.k. But as Dale said, they were locked in dead neutral. The model flew the whole tank out, Bill did a masterful job of it! Did a bit of g-lining when the motor quit, and landed safely.
No, we could not have shut off, but shut-offs on the other two models could have been used. If my model had been doing anything but flying level ( a bit high, but level) there would have been a serious situation. And this was one of those times when there WAS time to make the decision and do it, just not necessary this time.
BTW, the model is going back to Texas with the controls still locked up, for McCollum to do a PM to find out what happened.
I still turned a time in the second heat with a new, not-ready-for-prime-time model.
We've had a standing rule here in SOCAL for several years. Shutoffs OK in any event for safety reasons, but if prohibited in the event's rules, use during a race is a DQ. BUT even having them hasn't prevented any catastastrofes. (sic) And inadvertent tripping during a landing HAS caused messed up pit stops when the pitman (me) didn't notice it had been tripped during the glide in. I think that's an application of the Law of Unintended Consequences (or Murphy's)!
-
FWIW, my SSR had the shutoff bypassed at the NATS. At our last Dallas contest, I tripped the shutoff on the shakedown a couple of times and messed up my pit man, just like what happened to Don.
BB
-
To me the lack of shut offs and the requirement of safety thongs is an accident waiting to happen. I do not like the idea of safety thongs in racing, especially like stated when someone who is faster passes underneath a slower plane. With a shutoff the plane could be shut down, but, as done the handle was changed from one hand to the other. I too am amazed at the durability of Billy B. when it comes to flying. But, then again he is a kid when it comes to us old men.
-
52 years old and still sitting at the kids' table... ???
-
I assume you went to 60' lines (from the usual 52') due to airspeed. What is the best airspeed of current Clowns?
Your scores should be about 87.5% or 7/8 of normal.
-
In 1-up testing, our Clown (OS TZ18) was running 17.6-17.8 and 45 laps. Race speed was somewhat less, of course, and laps settled out at about 42-43 in the heat of in-race refueling. As you can see, airspeed was affected (increased drag of the longer lines), but the primary benefit was the reduced rotation rate for the pilots. EVERYone agreed to that!
Expected lap count cannot be a simple 7/8 ratio since it just isn't just the line length that affects the performance. As an example, a simple ratio would say that my model should have been getting 51-52 laps on the shorter lines when, in fact, it was getting about 10% more (high 50's).
The longer lines were of great benefit to the pilots.
The addition of the shut-off made a significant impact on the character of the event since it allowed pitting strategy to become a significant item. Both were improvements IMHO.
(Edit to add "just")
-
52 years old and still sitting at the kids' table... ???
If you haven't grown up by age 50, you don't have to!
dB
-
If you haven't grown up by age 50, you don't have to!
dB
We do cut Bill a lot of slack! ;D
-
I believe that within practical limits, longer lines will increase timed airspeed for a few reasons.
While there is more wire going through the air, the "high speed" end, near the plane is still going the same speed.
Somewhat more slack makes the actual circle a little smaller.
The reduced G force allows a higher true airspeed. In other words, a 60' circle is closer to a straight line than a 52' circle.
But isn't spinning around at or above the limits of human performance part of the fun?
-
Well, it doesn't really work that way, Paul.
The easy way to visualize it is:
The lines are made up of a large number of small pieces, each going a particular speed and, thence, creating a certain amount of drag.
Making the lines longer can be thought of as making each of those small pieces longer and, hence, creating more drag.
Longer lines can NOT be thought of as "all of it on one end.".
In my case, the model was originally built and flown on 52' lines, and the pilot (McCollum) always said it was flying nose out. The 60' lines, with greater drag, were a nice change for it since it caused the model to fly "straighter".