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Offline jeffindayton

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Any input on Fancy Pants Kit and flying characteristic
« on: July 13, 2006, 04:52:52 PM »
Curious about Fancy Pants Flying abilities, They advertize as great in windy conditions....any input?
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Re: Any input on Fancy Pants Kit and flying characteristic
« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2006, 05:08:51 PM »
Quote from: jeffindayton on July 13, 2006, 04:52:52 PM
Curious about Fancy Pants Flying abilities, They advertize as great in windy conditions....any input?

My son's first entry into Classic Stunt was with a Brodak's Fancy Pants kit and the old Fox 35.  We still have it over 10 years later.  Todd Lee flew it and did square cloverleafs and vertical 8s.  It is a smallish plane, turns quick and is a lot of fun to fly. Plus it is a quick, easy, build !!   y1

Mike Garmon (a designer of some of Brodak's kits) flew one a whole lot in Classic using a Fox 35.  I did see his fly VERY well in a contest where it was really windy and turbulent.
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Re: Any input on Fancy Pants Kit and flying characteristic
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2006, 05:16:21 PM »
The Fancy Pants is a good choice for a Classic kit with a Fox .35.
Slow the flaps to 2-3 and maybe (although a hit in "fidelity") move to fuse mounted gear....
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Re: Any input on Fancy Pants Kit and flying characteristic
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2006, 06:12:54 PM »
Quote from: peabody on July 13, 2006, 05:16:21 PM
The Fancy Pants is a good choice for a Classic kit with a Fox .35.
Slow the flaps to 2-3 and maybe (although a hit in "fidelity") move to fuse mounted gear....
A good piece...

Hi Rich,

Does anyone (outside of the VSC, possibly) even USE fidelity points anymore??

BTW:  we flew off pretty rough fields with the wing mounted gear as designed.  No problems.  Aaron even "saved" the plane when a lead out got sawed in half at the bellcrank!  Squatted it power on!

By all means bush the BC if it is still metal in the kits, and bush the lead outs where they go through the BC in either case......
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Re: Any input on Fancy Pants Kit and flying characteristic
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2006, 08:42:08 PM »
 I would almost bet real money, that Bobby Hunt had one that he flew at a couple of VSC'S. Flew right well.

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Re: Any input on Fancy Pants Kit and flying characteristic
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2006, 09:14:48 PM »
Hi Walter,

I am pretty sure it was his "Frisky Pete" you are thinking of.  They are very similar.  y1

Bob built it in a couple weeks, made it take apart, and used a '70s-'80s plain bushing Fox 25 in it, set up by Tom Hampshire, IIRC.  Of course it flew great......... Bob Hunt was flying it!!!!!!  **) x:

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Re: Any input on Fancy Pants Kit and flying characteristic
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2006, 03:49:41 AM »
I'm not sure that the Frisky Pete was take apart, but he built it quickly...
He grew up with Red Reinhardt...
Yes, it was a Hampshire .25.....I have a clone of it.....
I forget where it is now....
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Re: Any input on Fancy Pants Kit and flying characteristic
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2006, 02:44:29 PM »
The Fancy Pants flies pretty good on the new Brodak 25, plus its easier to get enough fuel in it (in terms of a big enough tank) compared to a Fox 35.  It flies ok in the wind, however n~, it does not loop well upwind on a windy day......
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Re: Any input on Fancy Pants Kit and flying characteristic
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2006, 05:39:50 PM »
Quote from: peabody on July 14, 2006, 03:49:41 AM
I'm not sure that the Frisky Pete was take apart, but he built it quickly...
He grew up with Red Reinhardt...
Yes, it was a Hampshire .25.....I have a clone of it.....
I forget where it is now....

Now , Rich........

Would I have said it was a take apart if it wasn't?????? 

BTW: he details the Frisky Pete in question on one of the SFVM tapes that I watched last weekend.  He also used "polyspan"  on the wings and analine dye for the covering/finish.  Blue and orange.  Even the LG came off (with one bolt) which was sandwiched betweeen 3 layers of ply that made up the firewall.   x:

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Re: Any input on Fancy Pants Kit and flying characteristic
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2006, 06:17:20 PM »
I built one back about 1968 from the Consolidated kit. I used a dural gear because I didnt like the "pants" and installed a Fox 35. With fixed flaps it turned quick enough for me to enjoy fun flying it and I now know I should have used a lesser pitch prop than the 10 X 6 which was the standard prop I was using on most everything.
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Re: Any input on Fancy Pants Kit and flying characteristic
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2006, 10:13:54 PM »
Quote from: Rudderless on July 14, 2006, 08:23:56 PM
Ha. Back then and even earlier we were told by the "experts" in almost every article on a new best stunt ship that they used a Fox .35 and a 10 x 6 Top Flite prop.  Oh how they did lie to keep their secrets, LOL  ;D   I have since learned "they" almost all used 10 x 5 or 10 x 4 props.  Also more than a few used 15% nitro or more. <= :-\

I never did get to see any of the Top Flite paddle blades that were especially made for GMA.  IIRC, they were from a different wood than the regular line. ???

Bob "Champione" Lampione told me he had to use a 10-6 Rev Up XW to get enough bite to fly his original NATS winning Sabre w/Fox 35.  Don't know how much he "tipped the jug" on it, but I know Steve Wooley and Billy Werwage would go as high as 25% nitro in their Foxes.

Maybe that's why Bob put a Big Jim ST 46 in his new Sabre!  **)

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Re: Any input on Fancy Pants Kit and flying characteristic
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2006, 01:34:45 AM »
Bill,

My Frisky Pete also had a removable gear. I used one of the original Fox .25s... great little engine, 1 flip starts and behaves exactly like the .35. My Frisky Pete was featured in the PAMPA calendar that Uncle Mikey did a few years ago.

Neither Bobby's or mine had removable wings. Bix from Connecticut had the take apart version.
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Re: Any input on Fancy Pants Kit and flying characteristic
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2006, 10:52:56 AM »
Tom and Bill,

I want to use the older fox 25 (the one made from a punched out fox 19) on my 25 oz ringmaster.  Any prop suggestions?  :)!
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Re: Any input on Fancy Pants Kit and flying characteristic
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2006, 11:55:44 PM »
Tom,

Start with a 9-6 and go from there. The .25  is a strong engine for its era.  It made the old .19 with the same case look like a dog.
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Re: Any input on Fancy Pants Kit and flying characteristic
« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2006, 12:15:33 AM »
Tom P., I agree with Tom N.  y1

I am trying to finish up a Mackey Bluebird with a '57 Fox 25 in it right now.  I used a 9-5 TF paddle blade when I had a '57 Fox 25 in my original Still Stuka.   I really really like the little Fox 25! 

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Re: Any input on Fancy Pants Kit and flying characteristic
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2006, 10:22:27 PM »
What about an la25? Seems to be in the right weight/power range.
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Re: Any input on Fancy Pants Kit and flying characteristic
« Reply #16 on: October 05, 2006, 06:35:30 PM »
Quote from: Dennis Moritz on October 04, 2006, 10:22:27 PM
What about an la25? Seems to be in the right weight/power range.

Hi Dennis,

Go with the LA 25. 

A Fox 35 IS a *little* tricky to get enough fuel in for the pattern.  Aaron lost his class at the East Coast Oldie Goldies when he ran out in the first loop of the clover leaf and only lost by 4 points.  :'(  He was only using 5% nitro and the Fancy PAnts will just hold a 4 oz. tank.  I have never felt safe using a 4 oz. tank and the Fox 35!

We would have used a '57 Fox 25 if we had thought of it.

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