Author Topic: total how to finish a beam wing (Read 11913 times)

Doug Moon · « **Reply #50 on:** April 18, 2013, 01:36:54 PM »

Are you wet or dry sanding the primer?

RC Storick · « **Reply #51 on:** April 18, 2013, 03:37:12 PM »

I only use water on urethane. I always sand dry.

Douglas Ames · « **Reply #52 on:** April 18, 2013, 04:41:30 PM »

What are you using to prep the primer before the color coats?
What solvent and do you use a tack rag?

This my sound silly, but with all that sanding is the model electrically charged (static)?
Wouldn't that attract dust? Anyway to dissipate it?
I know some guys use it to their advantage when applying paint.

RC Storick · « **Reply #53 on:** April 18, 2013, 05:04:31 PM »

Quote from: Douglas Ames on April 18, 2013, 04:41:30 PM

What are you using to prep the primer before the color coats?
What solvent and do you use a tack rag?

This my sound silly, but with all that sanding is the model electrically charged (static)?
Wouldn't that attract dust? Anyway to dissipate it?
I know some guys use it to their advantage when applying paint.

I use nothing to prep the primer. I use alcohol on a paper towel to remove any residue and then a tack rag. I am old school and it works every time. Before I found this primer I use to use dope with talcum powder in it. Love that smell. Aerogloss and talc.

Larry Wong · « **Reply #54 on:** April 18, 2013, 05:25:53 PM »

Bob do you leave the motor in the plane when painting? or is it just for pix? and is that the spinner you are using and will be painted with plane?

RC Storick · « **Reply #55 on:** April 18, 2013, 05:27:28 PM »

Quote from: Larry Wong on April 18, 2013, 05:25:53 PM

Bob do you leave the motor in the plane when painting? or is it just for pix? and is that the spinner you are using and will be painted with plane?

That is the spinner and yes it will match the red. The motor is taped up. No big deal. Seeing that I am weighing this as I go I don't want to be botherd taking stuff in and out every five min.

RC Storick · « **Reply #56 on:** April 18, 2013, 05:33:30 PM »

While this whole project has progressed fast here is why. In the last 20 days I have spent 10-15 hrs a day working on this. so between 200 and 300 hours. So its all the same except I have accelerated it some. The average stunt plane takes 300-400 hours to build. With the new glues CA and 5 Min Epoxy etc. it makes it great. In the days of Ambroid ,Testors and white glue this would have been a feat although possable.

RC Storick · « **Reply #57 on:** April 18, 2013, 06:33:10 PM »

Well I am ready to start color sooner than I thought. The wood fits on this plane were good so they finished easily. So I am going to lay the white on it tonight and tomorrow the red.

wwwarbird · « **Reply #58 on:** April 18, 2013, 06:59:11 PM »

Thanks for all the detailed info Sparky, please keep it coming.

Crist Rigotti · « **Reply #59 on:** April 18, 2013, 08:38:08 PM »

What Wayne said!

MarcusCordeiro · « **Reply #60 on:** April 19, 2013, 06:34:27 AM »

Quote from: Crist Rigotti on April 18, 2013, 08:38:08 PM

What Wayne said!

X2!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marcus

MarcusCordeiro · « **Reply #61 on:** April 19, 2013, 08:51:21 AM »

Robert

Old School Rulezz

Marcus

Doug Moon · « **Reply #62 on:** April 19, 2013, 08:52:35 AM »

Quote from: Robert Storick on April 18, 2013, 05:33:30 PM

....In the last 20 days I have spent 10-15 hrs a day working on this.....

Ah HA!!!! That explains it! While I am work and my model sits idle, you are at home cranking it out more so than a full time job!!

Good show Sparky, can't wait to see it at the Nats!

Thanks and please keep the details coming!

RC Storick · « **Reply #63 on:** April 19, 2013, 09:32:32 AM »

Quote from: Doug Moon on April 19, 2013, 08:52:35 AM

Ah HA!!!! That explains it! While I am work and my model sits idle, you are at home cranking it out more so than a full time job!!

Good show Sparky, can't wait to see it at the Nats!

Thanks and please keep the details coming!

I would trade with you Doug. I am laid off. So to keep busy I build.

RC Storick · « **Reply #64 on:** April 19, 2013, 09:49:18 AM »

first coat of white. There are a couple spots I will fix and touch up.

Doug Moon · « **Reply #65 on:** April 19, 2013, 10:26:14 AM »

Quote from: Robert Storick on April 19, 2013, 09:32:32 AM

I would trade with you Doug. I am laid off. So to keep busy I build.

Oh, that sucks big time. Sorry to hear that.

Jeff Traxler · « **Reply #66 on:** April 19, 2013, 11:06:07 AM »

She's lookin good Sparky!!I've been working on the sanding......and more sanding.....and.The good news is I think I am getting to a paintable subsrtate.I just put some Coltrane on the CD machine and have at it.It should be the Beatles however......"I've got blistas on my fingas"

RC Storick · « **Reply #67 on:** April 19, 2013, 11:12:38 AM »

I will not make my goal. That's too bad so it has now been adjusted to 57 OZ. This is too bad. I am not sure it possable to build a ship of this size in low to mid 50 TYS. Just too much concentrated weight. 23 ounces of hardware is just unreal.

Larry Wong · « **Reply #68 on:** April 19, 2013, 02:24:17 PM »

Bob what motor are you using ? the difference of the E-32 setup and the E-25 setup is 3oz !

RC Storick · « **Reply #69 on:** April 19, 2013, 03:59:27 PM »

4S 3300 battery 12.5
e-flight 25 6.5
speed control 1.5
spinner and prop 1.5
timer .25

for a total of 22.25 OZ and there is wire and a kill switch and wire to add so more like 24 OZ. Almost 50% of the planes weight is concentrated in the nose.

While in my opinion this concentrated weight has a disadvantage I think the power delivery has a strong advantage in control and predictability.

Right now as it sits in while base coat I am at 1575 that 55.5 oz no trim or clear. So I think it will be between 57 and 58 ounces. I am not quite sure why target weight was missed by 2 oz. But heck its still lighter with more square inches than the first one.

RC Storick · « **Reply #70 on:** April 19, 2013, 06:44:49 PM »

The canvas is set. Today I painted the white and sanded all the bad spots and re-shot those. Tonight I will tape some of the graphics so I can shoot the red tomorrow. I think I am about a week out from first flight. No weight at this time. I will report as soon as possible.

Start date

Link to day by day progress http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=30972.0

This was all shot with a airbrush and took 5 ounces of white to paint. It will take another 3 ounces of red and maybe a ounce of black and blue, I am not sure how much clear will be put on it. I will shoot clear until I think it balances. 21 days start to this point. I am seeing this as a NATS ready plane. All depends on how it flys.

wwwarbird · « **Reply #71 on:** April 19, 2013, 06:46:02 PM »

Quote from: Robert Storick on April 19, 2013, 11:12:38 AM

I am not sure it possable to build a ship of this size in low to mid 50 TYS. Just too much concentrated weight.

But haven't you forgotten the step where you bore the model full of holes?

RC Storick · « **Reply #72 on:** April 19, 2013, 06:58:42 PM »

I built those in

Howard Rush · « **Reply #73 on:** April 19, 2013, 08:14:52 PM »

Here's where I get my holes. If you need more, I think there are enough there for both of us.

Avaiojet · « **Reply #74 on:** April 20, 2013, 05:55:16 AM »

Quote from: wwwarbird on April 19, 2013, 06:46:02 PM

But haven't you forgotten the step where you bore the model full of holes?

W,

Still busting me up? And getting away with it.

I saw a photo if that framed fuselage of the Warbird you posted. I'd be on that in a heart beat. Or send it to me.

Robert,

I don't know how important that fuselage tail area is behind the elevator, but if it was eliminated I wonder how much weight would be saved?

Just an observation. "JAO."

Looks like the hatch IS your canopy line?

Looking good Robert!!

Charles

Allan Perret · « **Reply #75 on:** April 20, 2013, 07:10:03 AM »

Quote

This was all shot with a airbrush and took 5 ounces of white to paint.

Airbrush ? How long does that take ? Why not something larger, at least a mid size or detail gun.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #76 on:** April 20, 2013, 07:25:19 AM »

Myself, I use an airbrush when I want more control over the amount of paint that I am putting on. Besides when you have nothing else to do, why not take the time.

I followed the construction of this plane and I can't see where he could make it any lighter. Now as far as holes, look at the Green Box Nobler in which some people left the wood in the fuselage for the strength it provided.

Sparky, the plane is looking better each time.

RC Storick · « **Reply #77 on:** April 20, 2013, 09:20:11 AM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on April 20, 2013, 07:25:19 AM

Myself, I use an airbrush when I want more control over the amount of paint that I am putting on. Besides when you have nothing else to do, why not take the time.

I followed the construction of this plane and I can't see where he could make it any lighter. Now as far as holes, look at the Green Box Nobler in which some people left the wood in the fuselage for the strength it provided.

Sparky, the plane is looking better each time.

Where it has picked up a lot of its weight is in the finish. Because its a speed finish I am sure it cost me some weight not letting things dry. Might take a few weeks to gas off to get the corrected weight. Its still light for what it is. If I stop now its 56. But I wont be happy with a white plane so I must trim it and clear it. 2 oz more at least.

wwwarbird · « **Reply #78 on:** April 20, 2013, 07:35:36 PM »

I painted my entire 64" span, 700 square inch PBY Catalina with a small Badger airbrush. At the time, I had decided to use the airbrush because the design of the model was very difficult to navigate, even with the small 7oz paint detail gun that I normally use. It was while I was painting that I realized I was probably saving a bunch of weight too, especially with it being such a large model. I'm confident that there ended up being a measurable difference in weight from what it would have been with a normal gun. It wasn't bad at all to do either, about an hour each for the grey bottom and the blue top. Ever since then I'll typically just use the airbrush for most trim color work, unless it's a significantly large area.

Crist Rigotti · « **Reply #79 on:** April 20, 2013, 08:56:10 PM »

Yeah, I use the Badger model 250 Spray Gun. Works great.

RC Storick · « **Reply #80 on:** April 21, 2013, 03:46:58 PM »

Now its the fun stage. I have it in read and white. I will start applying black checks to the LE today. Tomorrow I will head to the sign shop for stencels.

This airplane is not a month old yet. Its 23 days old and should be in the air under 30 days.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #81 on:** April 21, 2013, 06:47:13 PM »

I like it. Nice layout for the red.

MarcusCordeiro · « **Reply #82 on:** April 21, 2013, 06:57:02 PM »

Cool! Cool! Cool!

Marcus

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #83 on:** April 21, 2013, 07:00:02 PM »

Looks good Robert,,

RC Storick · « **Reply #84 on:** April 21, 2013, 07:02:29 PM »

I should have reversed masked the swoop for the nose. But I will have to overlay it.

wwwarbird · « **Reply #85 on:** April 21, 2013, 09:53:18 PM »

Quote from: Robert Storick on April 21, 2013, 07:02:29 PM

I should have reversed masked the swoop for the nose. But I will have to overlay it.

Huh?

RC Storick · « **Reply #86 on:** April 21, 2013, 09:56:32 PM »

Quote from: wwwarbird on April 21, 2013, 09:53:18 PM

Huh?

Can't explain it but you will get the drift when I paint it.

RC Storick · « **Reply #87 on:** April 21, 2013, 10:11:47 PM »

This will give you a idea of where I am headed with the paint job.

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #88 on:** April 21, 2013, 10:33:34 PM »

looks like you are pulling some elements from Viper 8 (?) perhaps

RC Storick · « **Reply #89 on:** April 21, 2013, 10:42:17 PM »

Quote from: Mark Scarborough on April 21, 2013, 10:33:34 PM

looks like you are pulling some elements from Viper 8 (?) perhaps

Yep. I always liked that paint job.

MarcusCordeiro · « **Reply #90 on:** April 22, 2013, 09:17:05 AM »

Only looking better and better!!

Marcus

Jeff Traxler · « **Reply #91 on:** April 22, 2013, 10:13:40 AM »

Lookin good Sparky,How long do you let the finish dry before you mask for the next color??I buy 3M tape products.I just aint sure how long to wait.Trax

RC Storick · « **Reply #92 on:** April 22, 2013, 02:56:29 PM »

Quote from: Jeff Traxler on April 22, 2013, 10:13:40 AM

Lookin good Sparky,How long do you let the finish dry before you mask for the next color??I buy 3M tape products.I just aint sure how long to wait.Trax

I use 3 M as well. I don't wait long I will tell you that. 15-30 min tops. Results vary on paint and temp. Its kind of a trial and error thing. I cant really tell you how long.

RC Storick · « **Reply #93 on:** April 22, 2013, 03:25:19 PM »

Went to the sign shop and got my paint masks.

Tim Wescott · « **Reply #94 on:** April 22, 2013, 03:31:45 PM »

Quote from: Robert Storick on April 21, 2013, 10:11:47 PM

This will give you a idea of where I am headed with the paint job.

I'm lovin' it!

Quote from: Robert Storick on April 19, 2013, 09:32:32 AM

I would trade with you Doug. I am laid off. So to keep busy I build.

Yech. I was assuming you were enjoying a well-earned retirement. Good luck with the job search.

Doug Moon · « **Reply #95 on:** April 22, 2013, 08:12:59 PM »

What sign shop did you use and how much did they charge you for that sheet of stencils?

RC Storick · « **Reply #96 on:** April 22, 2013, 08:37:30 PM »

I bought the roll of low tack masking vinyl several years ago and I keep it here at home. They charge me 20.00 to use their plotter and tape machine. I do all the work. Its a small town shop 3 guys work there. Signorama or something like that. Any shop with a cutter can do the job. Take them your .dxf file and let them load it.

RC Storick · « **Reply #97 on:** April 23, 2013, 05:13:33 AM »

almost done

Derek Barry · « **Reply #98 on:** April 23, 2013, 05:37:38 AM »

Lookin good Sparky!

Derek

MarcusCordeiro · « **Reply #99 on:** April 23, 2013, 07:18:00 AM »

That is a beauty!!
I love how you painted those wings!!
Mind if I express a personal opinion?

You could add some color or graphics to the nose, just to break the red color.
But like I said, it's just my "taste"...

I wish one day I could produce such a finishing....

Marcus