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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #100 on: April 23, 2013, 09:36:58 AM »
That is a beauty!!
I love how you painted those wings!!
Mind if I express a personal opinion?

You could add some color or graphics to the nose, just to break the red color.
But like I said, it's just my "taste"...

I wish one day I could produce such a finishing....

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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #101 on: April 23, 2013, 09:46:20 AM »
LOOKING GOOD!!
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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #102 on: April 23, 2013, 10:02:09 AM »
Ink and clear and a few more stripes and we are ready in under 30 days.

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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #103 on: April 23, 2013, 11:10:02 AM »
The yellow on the tail highlights the entire ship.
Way cool Robert!!

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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #104 on: April 23, 2013, 05:24:46 PM »
 Needs some red or something on the stab/elevator.

 Just a "two cents"... y1
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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #105 on: April 23, 2013, 06:38:06 PM »
Needs some red or something on the stab/elevator.

 Just a "two cents"... y1

3 cents change. INK
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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #106 on: April 23, 2013, 08:05:32 PM »
WOW!!

Looks great!!

Surprised me with the canopy outline.

I'm sure there will be other additions.

Multi Kudos!!

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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #107 on: April 23, 2013, 10:29:31 PM »
3 cents change. INK

 10-4, kinda what I figured, ink is lighter. ;D
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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #108 on: April 23, 2013, 10:35:46 PM »
A yellow lightening bolt or a "sparky" type logo on each side of the nose.  Looks nice Bob.
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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #109 on: April 24, 2013, 12:51:24 AM »
Ready Kilowatt y1 y1 y1
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Ink and clear
« Reply #110 on: April 24, 2013, 10:34:06 AM »
All thats left is ink and clear. The total project time spent so far is 26 days. I hope this flies as good as it looks. Weight at this point is 56.5 oz.
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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #111 on: April 24, 2013, 12:52:57 PM »
Less than 30 days...all I can say is WOW! :o
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« Reply #112 on: April 26, 2013, 08:46:21 AM »
Its all inked up and ready to clear in less than a month. Crist uses Steadliner pens so yesterday I went to artmart to see if I could find those. They didn't carry them or at least had discontinued carrying them. So they sold me the equivalent which is Micron. I was doing this out of laziness in not wanting to clean my Radiograph pens. When I got home with it I chickened out and gave in and cleaned them up. At this stage I didn't want to make a mistake and ruin a months work. So it was back to old school.


Now before anyone chimes in with it needs this or that, if you would like to come here and do it I am up for it. Part of appearance points are given on mistakes. I learned this by seeing very plane airplanes on the front row. Very plane equals less chance for error. So If I make it clean and fairly shinny it should do well at the NATS. If it flies good and I can fly it.


If not it flies as is except with clear. As it sits now with wingtip weight its 58.1 so I am looking at 59 oz. 4 ounces off my mark. I am not sure if I would have taken more time in the finish if I could loose those 4 ounces and even if it would mater. The most important part of this experiment is the weight in the tips. The beam wing has considerably less weight in the tips when you roll the plane side to side.

Given today's wood and finishing requirements I am not sure its possible to archive a fully fueled large stunt plane in the low to mid 50TYS. The first Crossfire at 60 flies very well and has a great turn. The second one with more wing area and less wright should be great.

Trust me it looks better in person. For some reason the camera is not showing the true red color.
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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #113 on: April 26, 2013, 09:52:03 AM »
Robert,

It's fine.

IMHO, I agree, it's time to stop now.

You nailed it!

Any additions will take away from what you already have.

Inspiring to say the least. Inspiration that creates motiavation.

Thanks for sharing all of that.

Your methods, remarkable!

Finished product, "Outstanding!!"

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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #114 on: April 26, 2013, 10:11:15 AM »
I have learned so much...
Man, it looks so clean and the paintjob flows over the model.
After seeing those pics, I feel like building....

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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #115 on: April 26, 2013, 10:22:25 AM »
My next airplane is is on the board in my head. I will be doing a jet style just like the crossfire. The reason this plan form appeals to me is the topload battery. It also allows for adjustment of horizontal center of gravity. The beam appeals to me for exact alignment and weight at the tips. I always have like taped trailing edges. Two reasons it looks more realistic and you can move the center of gravity forward. On the next plane I will use a Junar Airfoil. The thinner airfoil means it has to be light. Keeping in line with the Jet look I will use Flight Streak- SV swept back wing tips.

I am not sure if I will speed build to have 3 ready for the NATS but it should be ready by end of summer.


The numbers for tail and nose should be close to this one 17.25 and 11.5. If you look at this picture the beam wing allows for a lot of fore and aft battery adjustment. This means no added weight to get it to balance.

I thought I would mention this for the disbelievers. If you think the quality has to be low because of the speed of this build you will see it at the NATS. The only thing it will not have is a Urethane finish as my usual ones do.
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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #116 on: April 26, 2013, 10:37:51 AM »
Robert,

Looking forward to your next build.

Your images aren't JPEGS?

How are you holding your hatch in place?

Colors look good to me!

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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #117 on: April 26, 2013, 10:49:44 AM »
Robert,

Looking forward to your next build.

Your images aren't JPEGS?

How are you holding your hatch in place?

Colors look good to me!

Charles

Images are PNG they are more compressed than a JPG. The hatch is held in place by 2 earth magnets and aligned by 4 Popsicle stick ends.
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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #118 on: April 27, 2013, 08:21:38 AM »
If you know what you are doing, quality work can be done.   The plane looks great.    I remember trying to replace a window on the house.  After spending most of the day on it a construction worker who builds houses came over and took over.   Less than an hour and he was done and it looked better than the other windows of the house.   And I think Sparky stated that work management is what get a lot of things done in short time. 
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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #119 on: April 27, 2013, 10:26:37 AM »
Hi Robert, congrats for your wonderful work! I would like to take a look at the battery/engine bay.... can you send some pics from other angles????

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« Reply #120 on: April 27, 2013, 10:43:27 AM »
Hi Robert, congrats for your wonderful work! I would like to take a look at the battery/engine bay.... can you send some pics from other angles????

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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #121 on: April 27, 2013, 10:56:13 AM »
Robert, thanks a lot for the fastttt answer! Wonderful ideas for a electric instalation! Very clean!!! Itīs not a mess like my model!

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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #122 on: April 27, 2013, 11:10:53 AM »
The way this is mounted you can move the battery up or down back and forth. Right now I am making a second holder for both planes for the zippy batteries.

It's raining so no painting. I might as well do all my electrical work today. I need to make up a second power supply for my charger and I will do that today as well.
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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #123 on: April 27, 2013, 02:47:22 PM »
Robert, can you tell more, educate me about the process you use to know when the horizontal cg is ok?

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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #124 on: April 27, 2013, 03:59:49 PM »
Assuming the wing is straight and is in trim. If the plane flies outboard wing high upright and inverted the horizontal CG is too low and the same can be said the other way. If its down upright and inverted its too high.

All the math in the world can't tell you what each plane is going to be. So its always a trim experiment. Asymmetry and wing tip weight are only to compensate for the weight of the lines. Let the fire begin. f~ j1
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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #125 on: April 27, 2013, 04:26:57 PM »
Think I know why you wrote about starting a fire, but not sure...

Our C/L models are not easy to trim.... Do you use some kind of static process to try so check the horizontal CG?

Thanks!

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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #126 on: April 27, 2013, 04:48:13 PM »
Think I know why you wrote about starting a fire, but not sure...
Our C/L models are not easy to trim.... Do you use some kind of static process to try so check the horizontal CG?
Thanks!
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No static process. I just guess and go fly. I know that the piped airplanes had some trim issues because of the pipe hanging under the wing so they lowered the leadouts. So I just eyeball what I think will work and go fly. It's usually pretty close. This all has more to do with thrust line placement. The reason I said start a fire is the designers will come on and say I am wrong and prove it with some math equation not many have a clue as to what it is and in the end it works out my way anyway. You can build 2 planes exactly alike and trim them alike but they won't fly alike. Do you know why? It's because of how the balsa grew and how and time of day the paint was put on and a 100 other diffrent variables.
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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #127 on: April 28, 2013, 07:48:07 AM »
Remember a few years ago of all the pictures of planes and similated planes hanging from doorways, walls or even ceilings trying to show us how planes should be rigged.   Sparky has been around the horn on this and knows what he is doing. 
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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #128 on: May 16, 2013, 03:55:28 PM »
Assuming the wing is straight and is in trim. If the plane flies outboard wing high upright and inverted the horizontal CG is too low...

Do you mean what you seem to have said?  Namely, that if the CG is too far off center toward the wheels, that the airplane will fly with the outside wing tip too far from the ground when the airplane is inverted? 


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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #129 on: May 16, 2013, 04:27:02 PM »
Do you mean what you seem to have said?  Namely, that if the CG is too far off center toward the wheels, that the airplane will fly with the outside wing tip too far from the ground when the airplane is inverted?  

When the horizontal CG is too high in the upright flying postion the wing will be down on the outboard tip. The outboard tip will be up inverted. Just reverse the actions for too low a CG.
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Re: total how to finish a beam wing
« Reply #130 on: May 18, 2013, 07:39:58 AM »
Is this not actually "Vertical" CG ?
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