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Offline Matt Brown

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Filler for transparent finishes
« on: September 17, 2018, 02:52:08 PM »
Iím thinking of doing my first dope finish since the Ď70s. I got some of the heavy plyspan from Sig in orange tint. My intent is to cover the entire plane in this and just use clear dope for a semi-transparent finish. Iíll probably use some black or white dope for trim colors.
I was thinking about the usual spackling being white and showing through. Any other fillers not going to show through? FWIW the plane is a Primary Force.

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Re: Filler for transparent finishes
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2018, 04:30:34 PM »
Zinc stearate. Get it from Randy Smith.
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Re: Filler for transparent finishes
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2018, 04:40:39 PM »
Zinc stearate. Get it from Randy Smith.

Is this a premixed filler? Zinc stearate is normally a white powder.

Matt

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Re: Filler for transparent finishes
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2018, 04:56:36 PM »
Used to be that there were several tan balsa fillers on the market along with their white counterparts. If you can't find any, you could experiment with white filler and drops of food coloring. Remember, the idea is that it disappears under the orange tissue, so check your results by laying the tissue over your test samples.

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Re: Filler for transparent finishes
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2018, 10:30:21 PM »
Is this a premixed filler? Zinc stearate is normally a white powder.

Matt

Iíve mixed it with dope. It gets pretty transparent as I recall.
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Re: Filler for transparent finishes
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2018, 10:27:43 AM »
I've mixed very fine balsa dust with dope and used that for filler of stuff like dents or gaps. Doesn't really show up under a transparent finish.
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Re: Filler for transparent finishes
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2018, 10:55:18 AM »
I've mixed very fine balsa dust with mixed with dope and used that for filler of stuff like dents or gaps. Doesn't really show up under a transparent finish.

I know where thereís a stash of balsa dust ;D

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Re: Filler for transparent finishes
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2018, 11:27:11 AM »
I know where there’s a stash of balsa dust ;D

Matt

And now I have this image in my head of shady looking character in a trench coat, calling from an alley...."Pssy. Hey, buddy! I got balsa dust here. 4# density, my man! Only the best."

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Re: Filler for transparent finishes
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2018, 01:50:12 PM »
I've mixed very fine balsa dust with mixed with dope and used that for filler of stuff like dents or gaps. Doesn't really show up under a transparent finish.

Yes! We used to do that 50+ years ago and it does work well.

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Re: Filler for transparent finishes
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2018, 02:15:39 PM »
I know where thereís a stash of balsa dust ;D

Matt

I keep a jar of it -- but I mix it with Ambroid, not dope.  I'll have to try it with dope next time.
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Re: Filler for transparent finishes
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2018, 04:04:06 PM »
Matt,
I've used this putty from Elmer's for years. I love it.  I've covered it with everything under the sun except dope. But it seems to be compatible with everything, so I can't see why it wouldn't work under dope. I showed both types available to show the one NOT to use. Use the red striped, indoor only. Very easy to sand and color matches balsa perfectly. The outdoor stuff dries too hard for balsa use. You can get it anywhere.
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Re: Filler for transparent finishes
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2018, 06:40:04 PM »
Matt,
I've used this putty from Elmer's for years. I love it.  I've covered it with everything under the sun except dope. But it seems to be compatible with everything, so I can't see why it wouldn't work under dope. I showed both types available to show the one NOT to use. Use the red striped, indoor only. Very easy to sand and color matches balsa perfectly. The outdoor stuff dries too hard for balsa use. You can get it anywhere.
Paul

I searched Loweís and Menards local stores but not finding the indoor stuff. They both listed a tub of indoor/outdoor filler in that brand. Iíll try a few other stores tomorrow.

Matt

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Re: Filler for transparent finishes
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2018, 11:43:41 AM »
Hi Matt,
Get in contact with Pete Peterson, he does Awesome clear finishes and I'm sure he could help you out with some of his suggestions.

Later,
Mikey

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Re: Filler for transparent finishes
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2018, 01:22:38 PM »
I'm surprised at Mr. Wood's comment that the Elmer's Interior/Exterior wood filler "dries too hard for balsa." It has been my preferred filler for years. Better than the "hobby fillers" that used to be available. I recently used up most of a tube and bought some "natural" colored Elmer's--but I did not notice it is the red label interior stuff Paul recommends--so I will get to compare them now. I assumed that they would be the same. If I don't like it, I would definitely go back and get more Interior/Exterior filler.

Here in SoCal, it is my understanding that Elmer's filler is sold exclusively thru Ace Hardware. That may differ in other locations.

If all you have is white water-based filler, I have had some luck with a few drops of coffee as a colorant. I suppose tea would work as well. I wouldn't know where to start with food coloring. The stuff is way potent. I'd probably end up with a plane that looked like a Christmas cookie.

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Re: Filler for transparent finishes
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2018, 03:17:26 PM »
I picked up a tube of the Dap interior filler and tried it on a couple spots. Sands great, very lightweight and a pretty close match to balsa. As long as it doesnít react badly to dope, itís a winner in my book.


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Re: Filler for transparent finishes
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2018, 05:10:38 PM »
If you are talking about filler for fillets, Pete uses white micro balloons with epoxy.  For filling the weave in Poy Span he uses zinc stearate in clear dope.  The question is a little ambiguous leading to many different answers.
Mike

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Re: Filler for transparent finishes
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2018, 06:06:46 PM »
If you are talking about filler for fillets, Pete uses white micro balloons with epoxy.  For filling the weave in Poy Span he uses zinc stearate in clear dope.  The question is a little ambiguous leading to many different answers.

My initial post was about filler for dents, dings and mismatches on the structure. I was concerned about fillers showing through the semi-transparent finish I want to attempt.


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Re: Filler for transparent finishes
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2018, 08:31:06 PM »
I consult Pete Peterson often and know him well.  He tries real hard not to put any extra dings while building but still has a few.  He, to my knowledge doesn't use any putt of any kind.  Water and heat will take out dings, pretty deep dents and even swell up broken wood fibers so they can be repaired.  Patience is required.  Any that are left can be filled in with clear dope and zinc stearate.  Concentrate on the bad spots with the dope and zinc stearate and will be surprised how fast they fill in.

Here is my Chizler done with House of Kolor Kandy Concentrate mixed with Randolph clear dope.
Mike


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