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Software For Decal Printing
« on: October 28, 2011, 06:58:11 AM »
I am looking at Corel Draw X5 home and student edition to make waterslide decals on my inkjet printer.  I plan to make name and numeral decals and understand a vector based program is needed to for good resolution.  Any expert comment s would be appreciated. H^^

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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2011, 07:32:54 AM »
Hello,
I use Corel Draw X3 for all my graphic design needs:plans, lettering, decals, you name it.
The X5 version has some more tools so both are perfect for any job you may want to do. Imagination is the only limit...
Some examples done with X3:

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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2011, 10:24:44 AM »
Claudio...  Your graphics look awesome.  Can you tell me what printer you use? I have an HP Office jet. What decal paper do you use? 
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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2011, 11:34:52 AM »
Joe, I do no water slide, just vinyl graphics and lettering.

I may be able to help you if I knew exactly what it was you wanted.

I am a modeler so I don't take advantage of modelers with my pricing.

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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2011, 11:54:05 AM »
Claudio...  Your graphics look awesome.  Can you tell me what printer you use? I have an HP Office jet. What decal paper do you use? 

Thanks Joe.
I use decal paper from Micro Mark http://www.micromark.com/Clear-Decal-Paper-for-Laser-Printers-Copiers-and-Micro-Dry-Printers-5-Sheets,8001.html and a laser printer (which is not mine).
I just take the decal paper to a copier shop so they print them for me (not a clue of what brand or model laser printer they use, but the quality of the printing is perfect).

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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2011, 02:23:51 PM »
Joe, I do no water slide, just vinyl graphics and lettering.

I may be able to help you if I knew exactly what it was you wanted.

I am a modeler so I don't take advantage of modelers with my pricing.

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CB... I use vinyl graphics from Dennis Kirby of Kirby's Custom Graphics for my larger RC planes which are covered with heat shrink films.  I want the waterslide decals for my control line l projects which are painted and clear coated...... Just a preference...

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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2011, 02:34:52 PM »
Thanks Joe.
I use decal paper from Micro Mark http://www.micromark.com/Clear-Decal-Paper-for-Laser-Printers-Copiers-and-Micro-Dry-Printers-5-Sheets,8001.html and a laser printer (which is not mine).
I just take the decal paper to a copier shop so they print them for me (not a clue of what brand or model laser printer they use, but the quality of the printing is perfect).


Claudio... thanks you for the info..and yes, the quality is obviously perfect!

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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2011, 03:30:59 PM »
How do you get "white" on clear paper?

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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2011, 04:56:44 PM »
How do you get "white" on clear paper?

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The base color of the plane is white, the decal paper is clear.
Are there any printers capable to print white? ???

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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2011, 06:16:59 PM »
Claudo,

Kudos, Good work. I like your design. Removable wing? Is it a kit someplace or do you just offer plans?

What is X3 or X5 selling for these days. I use a sign program.

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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2011, 06:07:14 AM »
Claudo,

Kudos, Good work. I like your design. Removable wing? Is it a kit someplace or do you just offer plans?

What is X3 or X5 selling for these days. I use a sign program.

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Thanks. Yes, it has a removable wing, stab and fin for easy transport. No, no kit. This is my own design including the CAD work. I offer a set of printed plans (3 sheets) in 80 gram paper.
The paint scheme you see in the pic above will be the scheme of my second "77".
If you follow this links, you'll see the pics of the building process and the finished #1 model (prototype):
http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=11233.0
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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2011, 06:11:27 AM »
...plus they'd think we were crazyH^^ LL~

Aren't we? DV^^ ;D

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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2011, 06:19:51 AM »

What is X3 or X5 selling for these days. I use a sign program.

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I don't know, but you can visit this link: http://www.corel.com/international.html
As the X3 is an older version of this program, I'm sure you can get it at a very low price or even for free somewhere else. And believe me: X3 has waaaay more features than you'll EVER need for graphic design.
Just do a Google search.

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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2011, 07:05:18 AM »
Claudo,

Kudos, Good work. I like your design. Removable wing? Is it a kit someplace or do you just offer plans?

What is X3 or X5 selling for these days. I use a sign program.

CB



Amazon has X4 or X5 for $49.95 shipped.  That is the home and student edition
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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2011, 12:20:30 PM »
Yes there are printers that do white but they are very expensive and not really suitable for our appliactions Alps was the last company I heard that made then they used heat transfer  to make the print.

http://sonic.net/mnitepub/pccafe/reviews/alpsprinter/alpsprinter.html

Laser compatible water slide decal paper may work with these printers as laser printers use heat to fuse the toners, but you would have to get intouch with the company and find out
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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2011, 12:29:53 PM »
If you want to experiment, try Inkscape.  It's open-source, and comes very highly recommended from the open-source community.

I haven't tried it so I can't guarantee anything -- it's on my list of things to learn.
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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2011, 12:52:44 PM »
Ultimately, depending on what you wish to accomplish, it is talent and skill that determine the results not the software. If you want to create highly stylized test or other content then the first thing you should invest in is a waco or similar graphics tablet. For even experienced artists using a mouse to do much of this type of work is tedious at best.

If you are looking for something more modest then, the internet is overflowing with free fonts (Typefaces) clip arts and just about anything else that you can use. In that case just about any free ware photo editor or paint program would do. Even some already on your PC.
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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2011, 05:11:52 PM »
Peter,

I must say, shopping for free clip art or fonts can lead to a disaster. Virus are waiting in those areas. I never do it. I have a font disk, couple actually, and I can trace bitmaps for art or graphics.

I specialize in custom work so drawing from scratch isn't an issue.

I know nothing about Corel Draw which Claudo works in? I have a great sign program and AI, and I cannot produce plans like that.

I'm sure I have more to learn.

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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2011, 07:53:51 AM »
I just completed some excellent decals for my '52 Nobler.  I used Microsoft Word 2010 which came installed on my new Dell computer.  The options are endless and it took me two weeks to make up my mind on the final version.  I printed it on white decal paper purchased from Decalpaper.com.  I had to convert it to a PDF file because the print shop didn't have Word 2010 on their computers.  Printed on a laser printer and it looks great.  I'll send a picture if you want to see it.  I was going to wait until I finished the clear coating, but you can get the idea even without the gloss.

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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2011, 08:04:34 AM »
 I'll send a picture if you want to see it.  I was going to wait until I finished the clear coating, but you can get the idea even without the gloss.

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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2011, 10:42:12 AM »
Peter,

I must say, shopping for free clip art or fonts can lead to a disaster. Virus are waiting in those areas. I never do it. I have a font disk, couple actually, and I can trace bitmaps for art or graphics.

I specialize in custom work so drawing from scratch isn't an issue.

I know nothing about Corel Draw which Claudo works in? I have a great sign program and AI, and I cannot produce plans like that.

I'm sure I have more to learn.

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Funny, I've never once had a problem with a downloaded font. Obviously I only download from trusted commercial sites. If you can't find something that works for you from a site like http://www.1001fonts.com or similar site then you do need to create your own. I do all my graphics in 2 applications, either in my 3D modeling app or Adobe Photoshop. Most often it is a combination of both. Often times I will download a font set that is close to what I want to achieve then use it in my 3D application to turn the font into a 3D mesh object. From there I can modify the geometry of the mesh to get where I need it to be.

Once that is done the Text or design can be placed into any perspective on the fly, I can maipulate the graphics as I could any other 3D CGI model, lighting the object from any angle to have shadowing and highlights fall in any direction. I can apply any number of special optical effects to it and morph the design from anything to anything.

But I am drifting off topic.

Software is only a tool, and there is No Best program. All of the professional graphics packages out there are excellent. The real difference is that they focus certain tools to fit accepted industry work piplines. Some do raster graphics better, some focus more on vector graphics, some are mainly for Web Graphics. Almost all professional packages have toolsets for all three.

At the professional level however I do not know of any artists that rely only on one software package, their work almost always use multiple software packages to get the final result. So to answer the question There is no one best graphics software, and even the most powerful professional package will not produce quality graphics if the user is not proficient in the software or is not artisticly inclined.

I am certain that Avaiojet did not just one day start knocking out the quality graphics he does, there is talent, experience, and some formal training behind his work.

So this is the basis for my previous post. Most people I know think that the software is some magic wand that does all this great stuff for you. These people go out and sometimes spend significant amounts of money to get the latest and greatest professional graphics pckages only to discover that to figure out just how to draw a box with rounded corners on the screen takes an evening of reading the manual.

I've been using my 3D software since 1997 and I still have not tried, implemented or applied every tool and feature the software provides. The list of configurable parameters just for the CGI lighting engine is staggering.

I am not by any means suggestiong that you forgo using the impressive talents of fine graphic artists out there, quite the contrary in most cases for the best results that's exactly where you should go, the amount of time and grief you save by not trying to do it yourself is more than worth it. However in many cases you can easily get quality and satisfactory results doing it yourself, and for those times the internet is your friend with a treasure trove of resources available, free of charge.

Below is a example of graphics created using my 3D modeling and rendering software. Combining 2D, 3D modeling, CGI, and special visual and lighting effects.

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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2011, 11:55:09 AM »
I'm all for modeler's doing their own art for their models.

Start to finish, done "by the modeler." Nothing wrong with that. In fact, that's good! Each time they try they will improve. They will get better and better.

I even offer help to modelers in producing art or graphics, whenever I'm asked.

My sign software costs 3000.00 and change. Blows everything away that is a vector art program, including Illustrator. I have Ill. 10 and never use it.

I never do my illustrations in bitmap format. It creates issues and problems in the commercial industry, especially with enlargements AND for cutting machines which cannot follow bitmaps.

Here's a link to my work. Look at it like this, it's all the same but different.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/community/profile.cfm?section=gallery&memid=11343
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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2011, 01:37:20 PM »
A quick look from inside the software.
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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2011, 03:36:38 PM »
Joe,

Here's a look at the decals I made with Word 2010.  The software has many features and it took me a while to figure everything out, but the results were excellent.

Paul

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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2011, 10:09:06 PM »
Claudio,
Beautiful work!

Like you I use Corel for both CAD and graphics. I am also cutting vinyl and also make water slide decals. There are some advantages with Corel, particularly with ribs, formers and tracing various shapes.

 Ribs are much easier than some of the rib programs. Basically you plug in the root and tip ribs, tell it how many ribs are in between and voila you have them all. There some final steps, but it works very fast.
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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2011, 05:11:09 AM »
That is one very, very nice Nobler, Paul.  Thanks for posting the pic.

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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2011, 09:55:57 AM »
Claudio,
Beautiful work!

Like you I use Corel for both CAD and graphics. I am also cutting vinyl and also make water slide decals. There are some advantages with Corel, particularly with ribs, formers and tracing various shapes.

 Ribs are much easier than some of the rib programs. Basically you plug in the root and tip ribs, tell it how many ribs are in between and voila you have them all. There some final steps, but it works very fast.

Thanks Tom.
Indeed, Corel Draw is a very versatile sofware and a very intuitive one as well, besides its compatibility with any laser cutting machine.
Yeah, the tool for producing multiple ribs is fantastic! I use it all the time for my CAD work. There's nothing you can't do with that program.
In certain cases (as with the dice you see in the pic) I use 3dsMax from Autodesk, an unbelievable 3D animation software.

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Re: Software For Decal Printing
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2011, 12:31:20 AM »
I just realized my Mac has Corel Draw. Never knew it!

What say, you talk me through the rib making process. Like you said, end ribs then,

 "tell it how many ribs are in between and voila you have them all."

This could be of some help to me.

How difficult could it be?

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