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Offline Ken Culbertson

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Rustoleum Painters Choice Gloss clear
« on: April 03, 2018, 11:18:18 AM »
I am having a difficult time getting a clear "Yes" "No" answer on whether Rustoleum "Painters Touch" 2x Ultra Cover Gloss Clear is fuel-proof and if it is how long before it is.

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Re: Rustoleum Painters Choice Gloss clear
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2018, 12:17:19 PM »
No it is not. Rustoleum Gloss Protective Enamel is though, no need to clear coat it,,,,it's shiny if flowed on right.

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Re: Rustoleum Painters Choice Gloss clear
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2018, 12:23:15 PM »
Ken the Rustoleum rattle can metallic and clears are NOT fuel proof
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Re: Rustoleum Painters Choice Gloss clear
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2018, 12:30:51 PM »
No it is not. Rustoleum Gloss Protective Enamel ** is though, no need to clear coat it,,,,it's shiny if flowed on right.
**Colors that is...clears are not

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Re: Rustoleum Painters Choice Gloss clear
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2018, 02:45:47 PM »
No it is not. Rustoleum Gloss Protective Enamel is though, no need to clear coat it,,,,it's shiny if flowed on right.

Thanks  - what "rattle can" clear can I use to seal panel lines and decals over Monocoat. ?

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Re: Rustoleum Painters Choice Gloss clear
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2018, 04:57:04 PM »
Id dig around for a Paul Taylor post. I want to say he said he used aome sort of Rattlecan clear on his Hurricane thata painted with Tamiya acrylics. Think maybe 2k or something lile that.

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Re: Rustoleum Painters Choice Gloss clear
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2018, 07:06:41 PM »
Mike have you used the 2K clear over Rustoleum Gloss Enamel?

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Re: Rustoleum Painters Choice Gloss clear
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2018, 12:51:29 PM »
Has anybody tried Clear Automotive Engine Enamel?  Our "Auto Zone" claims it is fuel proof. When I mentioned nitro in the fuel he said that it would still work but he had that "What is Nitro" look on his face.  I can't seem to find any retailers that have any of the 2k clears and I would really like to find something that I can test without having to throw away the can.  Too expensive for that.


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Re: Rustoleum Painters Choice Gloss clear
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2018, 06:55:35 PM »
  After seeing this subject asked and talked about for 20 years, I think it should be pinned to the top of the list that 1) there is no such thing as a free lunch, 2) there is no such thing as a true, cheap, fuel proof finish out of a rattle can. I still is a bad idea to mix a lot of different materials on the surface of an airplane, especially the wings, and especially if you are still in the beginner/intermediate/frequent crasher stage and have to repair the airplane at any time. The two part (don't know where the 2K thing started)  car finishes are the most suitable these days, are available in a lot of forms and in small quantities. The Nason system fro DuPont (or whatever they call it now) come ready to spray, just add hardener and can be had in quarts. Lots of guys have posted good results on here with it. If you don't have or want a compressor and spray equipment, there are some small, refillable can type applicators that would work for this as well. The best overall, lightest finish is still dope, but is not as fuel proof as it once was, so to compensate, some have resorted to applying the two part clears on just the nose of the airplane and maybe the wing roots, where any raw fuel may get splashed or drip. This makes repairs easier because you know what you put down and where and can sand through it so you can reapply more dope. No real easy but doable. The only way to avoid all of this is to fly electric and you can paint and finish with damn near anything. Lots has been posted on line here and other forums on the different finishes that are being used also, including different types of the new epoxies.
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Re: Rustoleum Painters Choice Gloss clear
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2018, 07:51:58 PM »
  After seeing this subject asked and talked about for 20 years, I think it should be pinned to the top of the list that 1) there is no such thing as a free lunch, 2) there is no such thing as a true, cheap, fuel proof finish out of a rattle can...

My personal experience with Rustoleum Gloss Protective Enamel contradicts that statement 100%.  It's not perfect -- it's never going to look as good as dope, you have to let it cure for two weeks before you go splashing it with nitro, and it's hard to get the most out of it while keeping things light.  But it certainly does work, and if you're still in the "crash every contest" stage it's a heck of a lot cheaper.
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Re: Rustoleum Painters Choice Gloss clear
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2018, 04:33:37 AM »
My personal experience with Rustoleum Gloss Protective Enamel contradicts that statement 100%.  It's not perfect -- it's never going to look as good as dope, you have to let it cure for two weeks before you go splashing it with nitro, and it's hard to get the most out of it while keeping things light.  But it certainly does work, and if you're still in the "crash every contest" stage it's a heck of a lot cheaper.

I can echo Tim's experience.  I have used Rustoleum Gloss Protective Enamel and other brands of "rust paints" on 4 planes now.  I have had no adhesion or fuel seepage problems with my rusto finishes.  That said, I am also very aware of the homeliness of the finish when my planes are sitting on the flightline directly next to Gordan and Roger's front row, concourse winning planes.  The contrast is kinda funny actually!  Their planes are functional high artistry sitting next to my planes lowly function only. 
Akin to fine china compared directly to a cheap paper plate.

Here's a few thoughts.

- Quite fuel proof. Certainly good enough for a sport plane.  Fine holding up to 15% nitro. 
- It can be heavy if applied thickly.
- It's easy to use.  Slather it on and wait 2 weeks.   
- For a sport plane or trainer ...rusto is probably just fine.  Ask yourself, "Will the plane last long enough for it to really matter?" If so, adjust your attitude towards the finish outcome and call it ok.

Alternatively, buy a little compressor at harbor freight or find one used on craigslist and a cheap harbor freight hvlp detail gun and learn to use better stuff.  For an expanded color selection, lots of folks like to use duplicolor lacquer paints which are available at your local auto parts store.  Topcoat with dope or auto 2k clear.  Klass Kote epoxy paint is also great, absolutely fuel proof stuff. 

* See the rustoleum methods used and published by the late Allen Brickhaus.  Quickly summarized as: prep well, apply thin, sand, clear with 2k auto clear.
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Re: Rustoleum Painters Choice Gloss clear
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2018, 06:15:38 AM »
I've already mapped out how to get remarkable results using aerosol cans and some airbrush. Including a fuel proof clear top coat for the long haul with raw fuel.

Yes, you cannot just throw the paint on, there's techniques and I explain them in my finishing builds.

I have always Posted my results and talk about how I achieve them, others should do the same.

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Re: Rustoleum Painters Choice Gloss clear
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2018, 09:14:10 AM »
- Buy a little compressor at harbor freight or find one used on craigslist and a cheap harbor freight hvlp detail gun and learn to use better stuff.
- Rustoleum finishes can be deceptively expensive by the time you buy a can of primer and a can of color.  You might be convinced that you saved money when you could have almost bought some Klass Kote and had a much

Actually, Non spray-bomb Rustoleum sprays quite nicely through a spray gun, and is way cheaper than the spray-bomb variety -- and it's a step toward using the better stuff.  If you're going to end up with a compressor anyway, you can buy a few quart cans of various colors and have a lifetime supply.
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Re: Rustoleum Painters Choice Gloss clear
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2018, 09:40:21 PM »
My personal experience with Rustoleum Gloss Protective Enamel contradicts that statement 100%.  It's not perfect -- it's never going to look as good as dope, you have to let it cure for two weeks before you go splashing it with nitro, and it's hard to get the most out of it while keeping things light.  But it certainly does work, and if you're still in the "crash every contest" stage it's a heck of a lot cheaper.

    I agree that they can make for a good useful finish, and I have built and finished models in that manor. The best overall recipe for a complete finish is what Alan Brickhaus came up with and detailed in a few of his construction articles, and he spelled out which brands of paints worked the best. It is still a lot of work and can turn out heavy if you are not careful. That process should be outlined and pinned to the top of the section to make it easier to find. But when a guy starts talking about putting clear on a model, that's a whole 'nother apple to peel, and the forum is full of horror stories and descriptions of disasters. If a guy wants to put clear on, he's thinking of not only protecting stickers and stripes, but hoping to get a nice glossy shine also, and shine don't come out of a can. You have to be focused on what you want, a workman like finish that can be manhandled and take some punishment, or something approaching what you see at appearance judging at the NATS. There isn't too much in between..
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Re: Rustoleum Painters Choice Gloss clear
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2018, 09:46:04 PM »
Actually, Non spray-bomb Rustoleum sprays quite nicely through a spray gun, and is way cheaper than the spray-bomb variety -- and it's a step toward using the better stuff.  If you're going to end up with a compressor anyway, you can buy a few quart cans of various colors and have a lifetime supply.

  A couple of local guys tried spraying the paint out of cans, and while it went on OK, it was not fuel proof. I seem to recall others having the same result, and contacted Rustoleum about the contents, and it seems that the colors in the spray cans that work is a different material, more towards the urethane side of the fence. You can have problems applying a Rustoleum spray product over a brushed on Rustoleum product. This is one problem with today's rattle can stuff, the product seems top keep changing to keep the EPA happy, and you may not get the same thing when you try to purchase another can of what worked before. It's been posted about on here before.
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Re: Rustoleum Painters Choice Gloss clear
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2018, 09:48:34 PM »
I've already mapped out how to get remarkable results using aerosol cans and some airbrush. Including a fuel proof clear top coat for the long haul with raw fuel.

Yes, you cannot just throw the paint on, there's techniques and I explain them in my finishing builds.

I have always Posted my results and talk about how I achieve them, others should do the same.

Post your photos of your finished models, makes Threads more interesting.


      Now you have to tell the truth and put on a disclaimer that none of these models has ever seen fuel or been flown, so you have NO idea of how fuel proof it is in actuality. Be honest about it!
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Re: Rustoleum Painters Choice Gloss clear
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2018, 04:05:27 PM »
Another very important thing worth mentioning...the application method is VERY important. One has to know HOW to use paint, i.e. holding the can, gun whatever at right angles to the surface, pattern "recognition", overlap etc.. I was a professional painter in my youth and some jobs were less than spectacular because of several reasons but MOSTLY my ability. When I was in the groove i could turn out some fine work...when I was not...point being one has to know how to "flow" on a coat ;D

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Re: Rustoleum Painters Choice Gloss clear
« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2018, 02:54:41 PM »

      Now you have to tell the truth and put on a disclaimer that none of these models has ever seen fuel or been flown, so you have NO idea of how fuel proof it is in actuality. Be honest about it!
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Dan, actually you are wrong, as Charles uses 2k clear coat over the final finish, on all his aircraft,  making it absolutely fuel proof. And, I have to admit, looking at the photos, his workmanship is stunning. Wish I could paint like that !!!!! H^^


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Re: Rustoleum Painters Choice Gloss clear
« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2018, 05:04:50 PM »
Here is my attempt.... S?P
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