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Topcoat question
« on: July 17, 2015, 05:30:28 PM »
So, I haven't used dope as a topcoat in a long, long time. Remind, on average, how many coats are needed to complete the topcoat?
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Re: Topcoat question
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2015, 11:12:52 PM »
A good buddy who is pretty darn good at finishing says he takes a Pint of clear, cuts it 50/50 making a quart or so.  He applies one coat a day until it is gone.  Usually cutting it up to 60/40 for the final coat or two.  The results are very good.

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Re: Topcoat question
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2015, 05:59:46 AM »
Automotive two part clear, done in ten minutes.  ;D

Don't know if this is true or not, you know how rumors start,  LL~, but, I was told that "a few guys" use clear dope, BUT, in the areas well hit by spent fuel, they will use auto two part clear. Weight saver was the concept.

Yes, I was told this during a telephone conversation. BION, "Believe it or not."

The thought of using clear dope to finish, never even crossed my mind while I was doing R/C, for a good number of years actually and many painted models. Mostly all of them actually.  n~

It still doesn't.  ;D

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Re: Topcoat question
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2015, 07:13:14 AM »
Geez Randy,  Couldn't find anyone in the PNW to answer your question?  Let's see, Paul, Chris, Pete, myself and a few others.  The number of coats depends on two things.  How smooth is your base and how much are you thinning your clear.  I'm of the starting with a few heavy coats (40% clear/60% thinner) discipline.  This is to bury trim lines and decorations.  After I get all that covered I start reducing the mix and spraying the whole airplane.  This can go on for 5 to 8 coats with a little further reduction with each coat.  My last couple of coats are probably only 15% clear and 85% thinner.  Sanding of coats starts after the trim is buried.  I usually start with 3M 800 grit at that point.  My last sanding before my final coat of clear is usually done with 1500 grit. Your final weight increase on a 650 sq. in. plane should only add between 2.5 to 3 oz.
I use Randolph A-1619 non-tautening clear.  As to automotive clear, I have only used it once and will leave it for auto finishers.  In a word, it's heavy. I went from a model that should have ended up weighing around 64 oz. ready to go to a model that weighed 72 oz.  It flew ok, but was not happy.  Hey besides, electrons don't affect your finish.
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Re: Topcoat question
« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2015, 11:23:30 AM »
Hi Alan,

I just haven't done a dope topcoat in awhile. I've done many catalyzed polyurethane topcoat. And generally, if I can keep my finger off the trigger, are in the 2-2.5oz range. I was trying to figure out if I had enough clear to complete a topcoat. Since I have about 90% of a quart, that should do it. Thanks for the response. Seems I did get a response from a northwest guy.

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Re: Topcoat question
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2015, 12:05:10 PM »
Randy,
Spencer Aircraft isn't that far away.  I usually give them a call a couple of weeks before I head
South and tell them what I need.  For colors, they mix it up for me and for clear they make sure they have the A-1619 in stock.  They know me and have it ready when I show up.  They don't charge me in advance and even let me back into the warehouse where they mix colors.  I was looking for some white pigment to add to Insignia White and the guy gave me a quart of the stuff for the cost of a quart of white dope.  Probably enough pigment to mix up 5 to 10 gallons of white.  Hope he didn't get fired   
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Re: Topcoat question
« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2015, 12:13:43 PM »
And here I thought Randy P. would be telling us how to do it>   Sorry Randy just got to run it in.  You know the old DOC. VD~
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Re: Topcoat question
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2015, 11:50:45 AM »
Well, it's going to have a catalyzed poly topcoat after all. It was just too humid and hot to successfully use dope. If I had wanted to take the time to experiment with a slower thinner or with retarder, it would probably have worked but I ended up with so many issues with the color then blushing and all manner of apocalypse, I might have taken the time to work it out, but as it is, I just went the easy route.

And Alan, I also get stuff from Spencer but I don't have your panache so they only give me what is in stock. 
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Re: Topcoat question
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2015, 11:44:37 AM »
This is only me but I only use 1 quart of clear total for everything. 1 Pint for base and one pint for top coat. That mixes to a 1/2 a gallon. WOW! no more than 1/2 pint of color. Results may vary.
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Re: Topcoat question
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2015, 06:14:19 PM »
Maybe i've been doing it right, but I use just one coat of 2-part automotive "clear-coat".  I doubt if I sprayed more than 1 pint thinned with butyrate thinner.  Full-size stunter with 60" span.  It flows nicely and I couldn't see any need for any more.

Don't try to rub it out.  Rubbing compound has no effect!  Looks the same before and after.

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Re: Topcoat question
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2015, 07:33:12 PM »
Maybe i've been doing it right, but I use just one coat of 2-part automotive "clear-coat".  I doubt if I sprayed more than 1 pint thinned with butyrate thinner.  Full-size stunter with 60" span.  It flows nicely and I couldn't see any need for any more.

Don't try to rub it out.  Rubbing compound has no effect!  Looks the same before and after.

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I have learned form the Top Cats that you have to rub it out in about the first 24 hours.  At that time it is still soft enough for 1200-2000 to cut it.  After it fully cures, like you say, you are wasting your time.  Check with Sparky, he has the definitive answer as he rubs out his 2 part automotive polyurethane clear top coat.  My first foray into the 2 part clears is approaching 20 years old and looks like the day I sprayed it.  I added plasticizer and fish eye killer to the clear and the silkspan has not turned brittle at all.  Model was finished with Sig Dope and then shot with slightly thinned 2 part Dupont Chromaclear.  Only 1 fairly light coat that covered.

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Re: Topcoat question
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2015, 04:31:40 PM »
Winfred figured a quart of clear, then added a quart of thinner, and sprayed until gone.
He let it gas off thoroughly before he sanded ....finished with Goram's silver polish.
To the best of my knowledge, he never used car paint.......even today, he is painting motorbikes with Brodak lacquers ....I think that he may be using auto clear on the bikes now.
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Re: Topcoat question
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2015, 10:06:29 AM »
Rich,

I know Windy used Imron for a couple of planes. I decided after having to sand the plane back down to substrate and repaint it (too hot, too humid), I shot a catalyzed poly for clear coat.
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Re: Topcoat question
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2015, 11:14:17 AM »
Therefore it should be ready for this weekend.
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Re: Topcoat question
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2015, 02:00:50 PM »
Almost was, Howard. Almost. Probably be ready for this weekend. Maybe.
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