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Painting Hutch's P-38
« on: April 09, 2019, 09:58:25 PM »
 Well, it's finally in color, Randolph Vermillion Red.  ;D

 I knew all along it would be, but this thing is really a bugger to get around. There's a lot of small nooks and crannies to try to sneak into with paint with this design. So far, every bit of the red was applied with my small $30 cheapo Badger airbrush, producing a massive 1/2" wide spray pattern.
 
 First was going around and getting all the tightest areas covered, then coming back and covering all the rest. I screwed myself by not shooting a consistent base color so the red is taking a LOT of passes to get decent coverage. Because of that there are about 9-10 hours invested in just shooting the red you see here. The good thing about the equation is that by using the airbrush I'm still adding very little weight. At this point it needs another evening or two of chasing down light spots and getting the color nice and even. Slow progress, but it's getting there...
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2019, 10:01:27 PM »
 For the whole scoop on the build up to this point, check here...

 https://stunthanger.com/smf/building-techniques/hutch's-p-38-lightning/
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2019, 11:00:10 PM »
It would almost be worth a plane ticket to see the first flights of this beast.
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2019, 11:46:22 AM »
You might want to try a touch of red on your plane.
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2019, 09:28:39 PM »
 Last night I went back with the airbrush looking for any light areas in the red and working on getting them evened out. Any found were barely noticeable but I felt it still needed that extra step to get things looking good. By the time I finished (2-1/2 hours later) I'd basically given the entire model another coat of the red.
 Tonight I mixed up a small batch with some retarder and gave the plane a light coat with my auto detail gun, this being the final uniform coat. For color I normally use the detail gun right from the get-go but this twin boom design makes it really tough to get in between the fuse pod and engine nacelles and also in between the tail booms etc. It's going to be quite a trick to get everything laid out evenly when it comes time to do the final clear, for which I'll have to commit to using the detail gun from the start. I didn't bother with any photos tonight, right now it's still really red.  ;D
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2019, 09:16:55 PM »
 Painted in the base for the canopy detail tonite, Sig silver.

 I've painted a silver base first because on the full size "YIPPEE" the canopy frame wasn't painted and was left as the natural aluminum. Getting the overall size and shape during this step was critical so that later on everything comes out looking right proportionately when the "glass" sections are painted in. Early in the build I'd eyeballed everything and sketched out an actual size drawing of the canopy detail so that when it came time do this work I'd have a good reference to work from. I laid yellow Frogtape onto the area and drew the canopy detail out right on the part. Once satisfied I lifted it off and re-stuck it on my workbench for safe keeping. I used that drawing at this point to trace and create a pattern for the bottom canopy outline front to rear. Having that pattern made it lot easier to get both sides to come out with the same shape, almost like cheating. After carefully positioning and taping the pattern to the airplane I simply had to chase around it with the base tape line.

 Now, with the overall canopy shape laid out in silver it ends up being it's own reference for the rest of the work of laying out and masking all the frame detail. I can measure my original drawing and then duplicate that onto the silver to locate my tape lines. Once that tape work is done I'll paint in the "glass" with a darker grey. After that it'll be just lifting off the tape to end up leaving the silver framework detail.
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2019, 09:19:03 PM »

 Final masking and painting of the silver...
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2019, 09:34:39 PM »

 This photo shows the silver framework goal...
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2019, 11:38:15 PM »
Nice work.

How are you going to do the white "YIPPEE" on the nose and the bottom of the wing?

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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2019, 06:19:58 PM »
Nice work.

How are you going to do the white "YIPPEE" on the nose and the bottom of the wing?

Keith

 Thanks Keith, this thing has been a bit of a challenge, every step of the way.

 I had a friend who owns a custom vinyl business make all of the YIPPEE graphics, white lettering outlined in black. The tail numbers are all black. I gave him all the initial dimensions needed and I've had them done and lying here ready to go for almost a year already. It really took a lot of head scratching to get everything sized and shaped correctly for the lettering on the underside of the wing. You'd think it would be easy, just determine the desired overall length, spacing and necessary taper and then whip 'em out, right? Not quite, where it got difficult is with the change that occurs as you wrap the graphic around the airfoil, for some reason it subtly changes the way the letters want to align with each other. With a LOT of trial and error we got everything real close to where I wanted it, but not perfect. I wanted to keep working and fine tuning things but eventually I sensed that he'd had enough of the fiddling and my usual "free" price might evaporate, so I stopped pushing and I've got what I got. They'll look pretty good I think, just not perfect. It's going to be a project in itself just getting them applied, with still having to cut them all at the flap hinge line. I'll have some good pics here once I get to putting them on, hopefully soon. For the star-and-bar insignias I've got a good assortment from Major Decal in my inventory, something there will work.
 
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2019, 09:29:03 PM »

 Got the "glass" done tonight, 2 hours of masking for 3 minutes of spraying...
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2019, 09:31:58 PM »

 The result. Not exactly what I'd envisioned, but close. Story of my life.  :-\

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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2019, 07:26:34 AM »
Pretty sharp!  Can't wait to see the final product.
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2019, 08:33:22 PM »
 Thanks Will, it's finally getting real close.

 Even with all the preparation I didn't get the overall canopy shape quite right, to my eye anyway. It's suprising sometimes how nailing these small details can evade you. Way back when I worked out the initial sketch I was concerned with the canopy detail running into the wing fillet area, which wouldn't have looked right at all. As it all came out, if you look close, I just barely nipped that area with the lower silver rail, cheating things as far as I could. On the sketch I'd estimated and cheated dimensions and proportions to where I thought it would all work out. For the most part it did, but now that it's actually done I can see that I should have extended the rearmost glass section behind the last vertical frame by about an inch from what it is. From there forward it's pretty good. That error on the rear section is kind hard to notice without looking at the plane from an exact profile view but it would have been much more accurate to scale if I'd stretched it a bit more. I'm not about to redo it, but it's a detail that will bug me for the life of the airplane.  :-\
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2019, 02:43:10 PM »
Just a note, that I'm watching this and loving every pic!

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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2019, 09:18:36 PM »

 Finally got a chance to spend a little time on the '38 tonight and started laying out the graphics. This is gonna take awhile, lots of eyeballing, measuring, triple and quadruple checking. First was centering the first "P" between the fuse pod and the outboard engine nacelle. Got that one applied but had to hang it up for tonight, d--m work in the morning. Next will be centering and adding the other "P". The "P"'s get placed first because they will be used as the eyeball reference for spacing and laying out the rest...  ;D
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2019, 11:00:48 AM »
YIPPEE!
Looking good, Wayne! Love the pics.
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2019, 02:24:02 PM »
YIPPEE!
Looking good, Wayne! Love the pics.
Had one of these with 2 Fox .15 as a kid.  Loads of fun.  Where are you going to paint the "Ki Yay"


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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2019, 09:22:08 PM »
Had one of these with 2 Fox .15 as a kid.  Loads of fun.

Ken

 Which one was that Ken? The old Sterling kit?
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2019, 11:59:06 PM »
Which one was that Ken? The old Sterling kit?
Pretty sure it was.  I was like 14 or 15.  I didn't start "rolling my own" till I was about 17.  Love the sound a twin makes.
About all I remember about it was that I painted it silver and getting 2 Fox 15's to run at the same time was above my pay grade at that time.

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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2019, 06:40:05 PM »
Pretty sure it was.  I was like 14 or 15.  I didn't start "rolling my own" till I was about 17.  Love the sound a twin makes.
About all I remember about it was that I painted it silver and getting 2 Fox 15's to run at the same time was above my pay grade at that time.

Ken

 I had the 36" Sterling one with two LA.15's, ran like a Swiss watch. It was the first model I built when I reentered the hobby back about 2001 or so. I'd never built a twin in my early years and always wanted one, filled the void with that model. The 'Hutch P-38 is now my third twin.

 Might get a few more letters put on yet tonight, we'll see...
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2019, 11:07:20 PM »
 
 Moving along and starting with the second "P" here. This begun with positioning and taping down the letter, then laying down some additional tape to use as an alignment reference during the actual application of the graphic. Notice the Sharpie centerline mark at top center as another reference. In a sense you're kind of creating a visual jig to then simply set your graphic into while applying it. All of this preparation was after much eyeballing and measuring, more eyeballing, triple and quadruple checking. You only get one shot at applying the graphic so you want to give yourself all the insurance you can.
 
 Getting things right along the hinge line is a challenge in itself. Once each letter was trial taped into position a cut line was marked for the hinge line. Then the cutoff piece that goes onto the flap needed to be sectioned to allow for the hinge gap so that the letter maintains is correct proportions. If you just stuck that piece on without doing so the letter wouldn't come out with the correct proportional look.
 
 These steps and procedures were repeated for each letter as I went. After the second "P" was on I moved on to the first and then second "E"'s. Then I went back and did the "I" and finished with the "Y"...
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2019, 11:08:31 PM »

 YIPPEE!  o2oP
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2019, 11:23:24 PM »
Those came out nice!  8). More pix!
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2019, 12:02:34 AM »
Those came out nice!  8). More pix!

 Thanks Clint, it's getting there. From the initial design work and sizing of the entire graphic to it's final application it turned out to be a lot more work than it looks like.  n~
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2019, 09:34:11 AM »
Thanks Clint, it's getting there. From the initial design work and sizing of the entire graphic to it's final application it turned out to be a lot more work than it looks like.  n~

That always seems to be the way it goes, huh? 
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2019, 11:03:24 AM »
That always seems to be the way it goes, huh?

 Yep, most of the time. Patience is key with these things.  ;D
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2019, 10:22:53 PM »

 No pics worth taking but started shooting on some clear tonight, Brodak Crystal Clear.

 Using the cheapo airbrush I start the clear process by going around and sealing the edges of all the graphics while also completely over coating them. With the graphics being vinyl you have to be real careful that you don't get too heavy with the clear and ruin them, especially with the initial coats. I keep the first 3-5 coats fairly light and "dry". When they're fully dried then I'll come back and repeat with 2-3 heavier coats per session. I try to get these "safety" coats a little heavier with each coat. I'll do this for a couple evenings until I feel that there is a nice "safety base" on everything in preparation for the final clear coat. Once I'm satisfied that the graphics are buried well enough I'll finish by giving the entire model one good heavy coat of clear with the detail gun, walk away and call it all good. I'm trying my butt off to get the clear work finished this week, fingers crossed.  ;D
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2019, 01:05:22 PM »
Wayne, sounds like youíre on the ball with putting clear over vinyl. Iíve never had any luck with it, probably because I get too impatient and go too heavy too soon with the clear.
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2019, 06:03:23 PM »
Wayne, sounds like youíre on the ball with putting clear over vinyl. Iíve never had any luck with it, probably because I get too impatient and go too heavy too soon with the clear.

 It's totally doable, just gotta pay close attention and be real careful as you go.
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2019, 07:49:20 PM »

 Finished a few more coats over the graphics just now, so far so good. A few more tomorrow night and it'll probably be ready for final clear.  ;D
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #31 on: May 22, 2019, 12:13:57 PM »
Nice job Wayne. Let me know when you have the clear coat done and I'll come by to pick it up.  ;D
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #32 on: May 22, 2019, 08:59:33 PM »
Nice job Wayne. Let me know when you have the clear coat done and I'll come by to pick it up.  ;D

 Thanks Dennis, gonna be a delay on the clear now though.  :(
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2019, 09:33:21 PM »
 ROADBLOCK. I've decided it's ready for the final clear, but...

 I prefer using Crystal Clear because it's far less prone to yellowing over time. What I've been using so far here was from a jar I had mixed up and leftover from the last project, all good and no problems at all. I knew I still had about 3/4 of a quart can sitting on my shelf so all along I've been planning on using some of it to finish this thing. Plane is back on the stand tonight, final prepped and ready to go. Getting ready to mix up a fresh batch I poured the clear into a jar to find it has turned itself to a nice dark hue, a cross between A&W Root Beer and a fine red wine. S--T!

 Wanting to be done with this thing, and since the plane is red with very little white, I quickly decided I'd get by and just use some regular clear this time. No problem I thought, I have two unopened cans plus about 1/2 of another. Well, it turns out each of them have turned also, displaying a nice medium yellow tint. S--T!!!  HB~> HB~> HB~>
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2019, 08:27:04 PM »
Guess what!  I'm still alive but many changes to my life. Flora and I sold our home and we went into a senior living complex where there is no place to build models! Everything I had is scattered around Texas, tools, supplies like balsa, sheet aluminum, paints and about 10 airplanes. I could retrieve stuff but no place to use. Also, my wonderful wife has developed dementia and is now in a care facility. I did keep the drafting stuff so I can still make more plans, have one rough sketch which will be a big surprise but should be a terrific flyer!
Now it's your turn to get the hurrah's for the beautiful P-38. How did the crazy control system work out? did the two pushrods stay in sync when applying 20 to 30 degrees of elevator control? How is the weight? Do you plan on flying the airplane? What engines? I just heard about this thread so it is all new to me! A welcome suprise!
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2019, 10:58:29 PM »
 Great to hear from you Don, trying hard here to do your design justice! I'm thinking this may be the only one of these actually getting built? Many of your questions from above will be answered here:

 https://stunthanger.com/smf/building-techniques/hutch's-p-38-lightning/

 
 As a side note, after leaving right from a full day at work I just got home tonight from making an emergency 4 hour round-trip drive to get more Crystal Clear (see Reply #33). Still hoping to get the final coat put on in the next evening or two. Gotta hit the sack for now and get back to work in the morning, more to come... ;D

 
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2019, 10:02:49 PM »
 
Final clear went on this afternoon, finally. I didn't even screw it up too bad.  ;D
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #37 on: May 28, 2019, 06:05:50 PM »
Whoopee! Or should I say "YIPPEE!"? Anyway, we'll be watching for pictures of it all assembled and RTF.  #^ Steve
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #38 on: May 28, 2019, 06:58:01 PM »
Whoopee! Or should I say "YIPPEE!"? Anyway, we'll be watching for pictures of it all assembled and RTF.  #^ Steve

 Coming soon.  ;D
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2019, 08:03:49 PM »
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #40 on: June 06, 2019, 04:59:29 PM »
I hope this gets to Jim.
Send me an e-mail and I will fix you up with the P-38 plans.
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #41 on: June 06, 2019, 05:30:50 PM »
Wow! What a fabulous piece of work! I tend to agree that the CG may be a bit forward of ideal. Easy to check, add a bit of weight to the stab and fly it again! Repeat as necessary til it is best for you. Of course I did design for two 25's which probably would have nailed it. Haha I'm sure there is a CG on the plans, are you near that point? As for the 35's, nothing beats a little muscle up front! Good choice.
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #42 on: June 06, 2019, 11:31:41 PM »

 To be honest I never even checked the CG, or compared it to the plans, I almost never do. The only pre-flight trimming was adjusting and making sure the controls were all lined up at neutral. I also hung it by the leadouts and tightened the adjuster with the plane showing just a slight hint of outboard offset. There is also 3/4 ounce of tip weight in it right now.
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2019, 06:02:59 PM »
You have a good test pilot, what does he say about being nose heavy?? There was a question about the elevator/stab being too small, I don't think so, it is 22%. There is also a CG point shown on the plans, you can look at it on the drawing of the pilots pod. Also,how much does the model weigh? If you are about 53 ounces the wing loading willl be same as the SBD which is a superb flying airplane. I looked at the drawing and find the 20% CG at 14.75" back from the tip of the nose. 22% would be about 16,26 back and should be OK but approach this number with care!
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2019, 09:10:18 PM »
... Also,how much does the model weigh? If you are about 53 ounces the wing loading willl be same as the SBD which is a superb flying airplane.

 Don,

 This one is 84.5 ounces all up and ready to fly, as noted in the RTF post in the Open Forum. Granted, I went with the .35's and did beef up the engine nacelle areas on mine but all the rest is pretty much to the plan. Even using .25's I'd challenge anyone to complete this design with a dope finish at anywhere under 70 ounces.

 As far as working on the flight trim I won't know any more until I get some more time to play with it at the field. Believe it or not even at 84.5 the turn didn't seem that far off, the .35's tug it around and let you point it with authority. I'm thinking a little tweaking of the controls from my initial settings should make a big difference.
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2019, 09:56:03 AM »
Wayne, that is great that your P-38 is working so well.  Old age has kept me from flying the B-25 more. But now with the new center pad at our circle there is no excuses. H^^
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2019, 07:49:32 PM »
Wayne, that is great that your P-38 is working so well.  Old age has kept me from flying the B-25 more. But now with the new center pad at our circle there is no excuses. H^^

 Doc,

 Just curious, what is the all up RTF weight on your B-25? I think you've got Fox .25's on it, right?
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Re: Painting Hutch's P-38
« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2019, 11:01:43 AM »
Will have to get the scales out and weigh it.   Yes the Fox .25's are more than enough power for it on 65 foot lines .018 dia.    Props are 9X5 Master Airscrew composite props.   Guess that is why the one didn't break when I got my hand in it the first time I tried to fly it.  Now have starting procedure and instructions for the person holding it.  No problems using the stooge by Brodak. D>K
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