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Re: Painting a new plane
« Reply #50 on: December 05, 2009, 06:18:34 PM »
RANDY..
SPEEEEEEEEEEEECHLESS IN GIG HAAAAAABA! That is truly a BEEEUUUTEEEFUL' PIECE OF CLPA ART AT ITS FINEST!!!!! BW@ BW@ BW@ BW@ H^^ H^^
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« Reply #51 on: December 05, 2009, 08:36:21 PM »
You want gifted airbrush metal artists, ONE WORD,

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Re: Painting a new plane
« Reply #52 on: December 06, 2009, 06:53:52 AM »
Boy Randy,

That canopy color is fantastic as well as the whole plane, it really looks GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Painting a new plane
« Reply #53 on: December 06, 2009, 08:12:02 AM »
Hello Randy,
Now you're "talking"! Your previous explanations were quite eloquent, but an image is worth a thousand words. That base color looks immaculate as it could be and the canopy colors and shadowing are just GORGEOUS.
And to think this is just the tip of the iceberg!

Question: what kind of masking tape do you use? The vinyl kind with low tack adhesive or any other?

Needless to say that you MUST keep those photos coming!

Cheers!
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Re: Painting a new plane
« Reply #54 on: December 06, 2009, 01:42:19 PM »
Claudio,

It was just supposedly low tack, cream colored masking tape. I'm switching out to low tack, blue "painter's" tape from here on out just to be sure. but I'll also shoot some clear on it today just to service my innate paranoia.

I'm off to the shop to fix my boo-boo and tape off the next color. That should be interesting.
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« Reply #55 on: December 06, 2009, 01:46:33 PM »
I'm off to the shop to fix my boo-boo and tape off the next color. That should be interesting.

What is the next color?
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« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2009, 09:38:10 PM »
"She" gives a whole new meaning to "hard body" LL~ LL~ LL~ What a cold b**&&^H
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Re: Painting a new plane
« Reply #57 on: December 06, 2009, 09:42:59 PM »
Well, I got the canopy all fixed up. Looks OK. Unfortunately, there's a little boo-boo I found. It's a little bubble. Not much and I probably could have left it alone, but decided to fix it. So I cut the area, CAed it down and cleaned it up. Left it with some filler. I'll sand the area tomorrow and prime then shoot a bit of white to patch it up. Wasn't a big deal, but it bugged me. So I haven't started on the next color yet.

Matt,

The answer is, it depends. I haven't decided to shoot the main trim color on next (charcoal steel) or one of the secondary colors. It' just a matter of process. I have to decide how much and where the main trim color is going on the fuse.

Then again, I may change my mind entirely and go with something else.
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« Reply #58 on: December 06, 2009, 10:09:32 PM »
Hummm?
Could that small nerd spot...be the perfect a place for a small chrome like canopy name plate like ornament...thingee or a small "quip" etc? :!
Never mind my demented mind. works in very unusual cycles.
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« Reply #59 on: December 07, 2009, 08:59:27 AM »
Donnie,

It's in the wrong spot. The fix on the bubble (lifting) is pretty small and should be fixed in the next couple of days, then I can get back to figuring out what I'm going to do.
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Re: Painting a new plane
« Reply #60 on: December 07, 2009, 02:35:49 PM »
Donnie,

It's in the wrong spot. The fix on the bubble (lifting) is pretty small and should be fixed in the next couple of days, then I can get back to figuring out what I'm going to do.

Here is a shot of one of the largest canopies that I had ever had the pain n' pleasure to create on demand for one or our Wind Tunnel flutter model "wet"wing.
I used  (heated) K&B Superpoxy...thinned waaaaaaaaay down almost like a water consistency and lots of air through my old DeVilbusted' touch up gun.
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Re: Painting a new plane
« Reply #61 on: December 10, 2009, 07:21:04 PM »
No progress on the plane. It's too cold out there. Still need to fix a couple of small things anyway.
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Re: Painting a new plane
« Reply #62 on: December 10, 2009, 07:44:27 PM »
No progress on the plane. It's too cold out there. Still need to fix a couple of small things anyway.

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« Reply #63 on: December 10, 2009, 07:51:46 PM »
No progress on the plane. It's too cold out there. Still need to fix a couple of small things anyway.

No heated garage or shop???  If not, I feel for ya even though today it was above freezing some of the day, a lot of the snow melted, and then a couple tenths came back with a large flurry

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« Reply #64 on: December 10, 2009, 08:04:55 PM »
lol,, we have had single digit temps,, My workshop is staying pretty warm considering its in the living room,,  y1


of course with a two year old in the house, getting much done is pretty tough, she wants to do the same things as Poppa,, mostly when I am not around,, so cant let her see me do anything dangerous! lol
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« Reply #65 on: December 10, 2009, 10:20:07 PM »
Oh, I have heat, but it's a kerosene heater and it takes too long to heat up for any work on the weekdays. Takes about 3 hours to make it tolerable. I was hoping to get a new heater for it with my tax return next year, but not sure that will happen now. We'll have to see.

In the meantime, the weatherliars say that the temps will come up starting tomorrow and by the end of next week we will be our more normal 45 degrees and raining. Never thought I'd look forward to cloud cover and the rain.
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Re: Painting a new plane
« Reply #66 on: December 11, 2009, 05:16:57 AM »
Hi Randy,
Can you please post the picture of your avatar image, if you have it handy?

Thanks!
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« Reply #67 on: December 11, 2009, 11:50:40 AM »
Hi Randy,
Can you please post the picture of your avatar image, if you have it handy?

Thanks!
Claudio.

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« Reply #68 on: December 11, 2009, 01:27:52 PM »
Don, I am delighted to see that you are building a new stunt plane, and I agree that Claudio would be a good name for it.
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« Reply #69 on: December 11, 2009, 01:29:35 PM »
Or did you mean Randy?  In the British sense, of course.
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« Reply #70 on: December 11, 2009, 10:14:25 PM »
Tey, I like the name Avatar.

I lost all the pictures on my hard drive a couple of months ago, so I don't have the full sized picture anymore. sigh...

Sorry about that Claudio.

At least I can get back to painting the plane tomorrow.
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« Reply #71 on: December 11, 2009, 10:39:08 PM »
Tey, I like the name Avatar.

I lost all the pictures on my hard drive a couple of months ago, so I don't have the full sized picture anymore. sigh...

Sorry about that Claudio.

At least I can get back to painting the plane tomorrow.
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« Reply #72 on: December 12, 2009, 05:33:07 AM »
It's OK Randy, thanks anyway.

It is always a good idea to make a backup of the hard drive, which -of course- I don't do  ;D n~

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« Reply #73 on: December 12, 2009, 05:20:43 PM »
Shultzie,, the OTHER Avenger is far sexier airplane, right?

Randy,, Randy Randy,, tsk tsk,, external drives are pretty cheap these days,,
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« Reply #74 on: December 12, 2009, 08:21:13 PM »
Mark,

I backed everything up to DVD. All the disks worked fine when I restored ... except the one with the plane pictures on it. Sigh...

Well, I finally finished fixing the little bubble in a fillet. Man, that was a much bigger pain than I thought is was going to be, but at least it's done and the paint is on and once dry, I'm ready to move on ... to whatever the heck it is I'm going to do. I've about second-thoughted myself to death.
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« Reply #75 on: December 15, 2009, 11:11:34 PM »
Had a bad spot on the cowl and had to sand it and repaint the base color on it. Not a big deal and it's done. Started taping off the trim colors finally. Hope to finish taping by the weekend.
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« Reply #76 on: December 16, 2009, 01:45:24 PM »
Had a bas spot on the cowl and had to sand it and repaint the base color on it. Not a big deal and it's done. Started taping off the trim colors finally. Hope to finish taping by the weekend.

Finish taping by the weekend?!?  Boy, that should be some trim scheme to take that long masking, can't wait to see it!!!  H^^
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« Reply #77 on: December 16, 2009, 01:50:27 PM »
Matt,
dont you remember, Randy said its going to be ultra simple this time S?P
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« Reply #78 on: December 16, 2009, 02:02:05 PM »
Matt,
dont you remember, Randy said its going to be ultra simple this time S?P

Yeah, that's right Mark.  So I'm guessing a "complicated" paint scheme for Randy must take him a couple weeks to mask off.   :##  But then again, with Randy's painting and masking skills, his "simple" paint scheme is a complicated one for the average guy.  After all, how easy will it be for Randy to mask this scheme off.  With this one, I keep saying I'm going to regret it, but I'm going to try and it'll look good when it's done

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« Reply #79 on: December 16, 2009, 02:06:32 PM »
at the risk of hijacking Randy's thread,
( like I havent ever done that before)
the secret is in the sequence of how you mask and paint it. some times if you put the colors down in a certain order, it will GREATLY simplify the masking
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« Reply #80 on: December 16, 2009, 02:27:43 PM »
at the risk of hijacking Randy's thread,
( like I havent ever done that before)
the secret is in the sequence of how you mask and paint it. some times if you put the colors down in a certain order, it will GREATLY simplify the masking

I think the red and blue will be easy to mask, it's just doing the checkerboards that I've never done before, and I've heard it can be a real PAIN to mask.  But I have been thinking up a strategy for masking it out, we'll see how it turns out.

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« Reply #81 on: December 16, 2009, 03:10:15 PM »
Mark,

The trick is not to have colors that abut each other or to shoot color, then mask, then shoot, then mask sort of thing. This one will have base color dividers, so I can effective put down all the mask first, then shoot trim colors while just covering up areas for other trim colors.

I will admit that after a lot of staring at the plane in base color, I am getting a little trick with the trim. I always wanted to try fading in a checkerboad scheme. Having one color fade to the next using checkerboard as the transition. So I'm going to try that on a limited basis on this plane. Should be pretty cool.

I'm going to eat some lunch then get out to the shop to continue taping.
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« Reply #82 on: December 16, 2009, 03:25:29 PM »
Randy,
good luck with the fade, if you want to chat about particulars and techniques, give me a ring.

Matt, checkerboards arent that hard, mostly time consuming.
Of course with my little vinyl cutter, I can cut the mask for the checkerboards and it takes about, oh, ten minutes to mask them  LL~
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« Reply #83 on: December 16, 2009, 11:38:08 PM »
The checkerboard mask is on the fuse. In fact, I got the whole fuse masked today. I'll start on the wings tomorrow. I made a stencil but it's a bit more complicated than I had originally planed. Like a lot of planes, as you get going, ideas occur to you and you think, hey, that would look cool. Then it's break out more tape and get to work. As I said before, I hope to have it all taped and masked by the weekend.

Mark,

I used some sheet vinyl stuff I had to do the checkerboard mask. Came out pretty well, too.
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« Reply #84 on: December 19, 2009, 10:39:31 PM »
OK, here's something I don't normally do. Post pictures of the paint scheme in progress. First pic is all masked and ready for first color. Second is with color and partially unmasked, though ready for masking off the next color. You can get a sense of the paint scheme for this. I actually used two different (or at least they were supposed to be different) colors on the fuse, but as it turns out, they were too close together to really get what I was looking for (a fade from one color to the next. Oh well, I'll live.
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« Reply #85 on: December 19, 2009, 11:39:47 PM »
So we have base color white(ish) with charcoal grey? The scallops are very cool. It looks like it might be hard to see against the trees, with an afternoon sun at Salem airport. I'm sure you'll come up with something cool, tho. Check for bats before painting! :P Steve

Edit: Claudio....This is another of Randy's avatars. I wasn't sure if it was the same one, but knew I'd asked him to email it in a larger version.  Musta been one of Randy's longer winged designs?
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« Reply #86 on: December 20, 2009, 01:07:43 AM »
Steve,

That's a somewhat modified Windy LJ. It was my first catalysed polyurethane topcoat and came out pretty heavy (never tried it before). But it was a big plane.

The colors on the new plane so far are the white(ish) color and GM Blue Steel. Oh, and a sort of medium charcoal metallic. The next colors will be brighter. This is just the background, so to speak.
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« Reply #87 on: December 20, 2009, 09:39:49 AM »
Wow!!!!!!  What are the next colors?

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« Reply #88 on: December 20, 2009, 12:53:17 PM »
Matt,

Well with the current colors (basically trick gray and trick white), the next colors need to be loud. The ones I've mixed up are screaming. We'll see how it comes out. I'm off to the shop to shoot the next color.
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« Reply #89 on: December 20, 2009, 06:00:46 PM »
Matt,

Well with the current colors (basically trick gray and trick white), the next colors need to be loud. The ones I've mixed up are screaming. We'll see how it comes out. I'm off to the shop to shoot the next color.
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« Reply #90 on: December 20, 2009, 07:13:25 PM »
especially from bats and bugs! <= H^^
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« Reply #91 on: December 20, 2009, 08:29:59 PM »
especially from bats and bugs! <= H^^

AMEN MARK! How could I have forgotten the BATS N' BUGS!
That reminds me of an old cartoon drawing that I saw in a Model magazine from the early 60's that showed a model geek painting a model outside under a window...with his wife or mother shaking out a dust mop out the window with all the nerds and dust bunnies floating down from the dust mop and onto his model painting project below.
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« Reply #92 on: December 20, 2009, 09:56:56 PM »
OUCH,
yeah thats not ever a good thing.
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« Reply #93 on: December 21, 2009, 12:16:58 AM »
Gee thanks guys. I think. got the second color on as I said. Hopefully, tomorrow the next will go on then I can strip off all that masking. Yikes!
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« Reply #94 on: December 21, 2009, 07:43:10 PM »
OK, third color is on. Masking this was a lot easier since most of it was already done. I'll pull tape tomorrow to see what kinda of touch up it might need.
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Re: Painting a new plane
« Reply #95 on: December 22, 2009, 06:16:22 PM »
OK, I pulled tape today. Pretty simple scheme to do. No back masking, but kinda weird. Tape everything then alternately cover areas you don't want painted and shoot colors. It came out OK overall. Needs a bit of retouching. Always a decision using low stick tape and taking the chance of leaking (which I got a little of, but not enough to worry about) or using higher stick mask and taking the chance that it will pull up colors underneath or disfigure the colors it's stuck to (also some problem with but again, not enough to worry about).

If I ever say I'm going to use candy anything again, just shoot me. The stuff doesn't have adhesion worth spit even with a coat of heavily thinned clear underneath. I lucked out that it didn't have more problems than it did. Nothing a bit of ink outline won't fix. but what a pain.

By the way, the stuff I used for mask on the checkerboard worked out really well. I'm going to use that again. I got it from Office Depot. It's vinyl print "paper". Sweet stuff.

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Re: Painting a new plane
« Reply #96 on: December 22, 2009, 10:41:55 PM »
SWEET! I thought it was pearls that you weren't going to use ever again?  ~~> Steve
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Re: Painting a new plane
« Reply #97 on: December 22, 2009, 11:55:49 PM »
Steve,

I suspect that's the problem. That candy blue and red have a lot of pearl in them. Just adhesion issues. Nothing remarkable or anything that will cause problems, just some corners that were not attached as tightly as I would have liked. Nothing a bit of ink and some clear over the top won't fix.

On a side note, I pulled the mount out of the nose and weighed the plane and all the pieces. Nearly as I can figure, I've added about 5oz from wood to this point. The base color is a bit thinner than I'd like, but it looks OK and if I can go easy on the topcoat, I may get away with a 6.5 to 7oz finish. That will put the overall plane weight in the 55-57oz range. Maybe an ounce lighter than the Ring Deluxe (of which this is largely the same plane).

I'll keep my think good thoughts and keep my finger off the trigger with the clear.
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Re: Painting a new plane
« Reply #98 on: December 23, 2009, 04:14:35 AM »
Gorgeous Randy! Love it!
That wavy checkerboard gives a very sporty and elegant touch at the same time, I like it A LOT <=

Can't wait to see the ship RTF...

Keep us posted!

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Re: Painting a new plane
« Reply #99 on: December 23, 2009, 07:21:12 AM »
Nice clean design and trim. Cudos Randy.
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