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Title: Mistake...Polyspan applied inside/out......Suggestions?
Post by: John Castle on January 06, 2011, 12:56:42 PM
So I'm covering a wing with Polyspan (my first time using it) and despite my best efforts I managed to apply a couple of wing panels with the rough side out.  ''
I didn't notice it until I applied the first coat of Polyurethane Minwax. Instead of being all smooth and shiny it is kind of dull and rough. The polyspan was attached with thinned Balsarite which holds it very firmly in place.
I guess my question is can the rough Polyspan be filled by several coats of Minwax to the point where it will look ok with an opaque painted surface or should I try to remove the effected panels and try again?

Thanks, John

BTW I am very happy with the Polyspan where it was put on correctly.   :)
Title: Re: Mistake...Polyspan applied inside/out......Suggestions?
Post by: Mark Scarborough on January 06, 2011, 01:40:35 PM
you may try sanding it, which will fuzz the polyspan, then apply a layer of jap tissue to hold down the fuzz
Title: Re: Mistake...Polyspan applied inside/out......Suggestions?
Post by: Bill Little on January 06, 2011, 02:55:04 PM
Mark's suggestion sounds good.  A few coats of Duplicolor Filler/Primer (sanding after a coat or two) might give you a smooth surface, if you can use that kind of paint.
Title: Re: Mistake...Polyspan applied inside/out......Suggestions?
Post by: Tim Wescott on January 06, 2011, 03:09:53 PM
you may try sanding it, which will fuzz the polyspan, then apply a layer of jap tissue to hold down the fuzz
Oi.  After hearing that, if it were my mistake I'd be investigating whether I can de-cover the wing without completely ripping it up.
Title: Re: Mistake...Polyspan applied inside/out......Suggestions?
Post by: Tom Niebuhr on January 06, 2011, 03:56:22 PM
I have a new "Top Hat" that is unfinished for a few years only due to priorities. It is covered with polyspan, and yes I did the same thing, Minwax and all.

 Without using names, a good friend who is one of the best finishers that I know, said to shoot autoprimer and the fuzz can be made to disappear. I still have to try it so I can't tell how much to sand off, but I would guess that just like other filling, you might have to prime some areas a second time. Done correctly it shouldn't add any weight.

This sounds feasible, but I haven't tried it yet.

Oh BTW, Polyspan has a shiny side that is the smooth side to be up. This is also the side on the outside of the roll.
Title: Re: Mistake...Polyspan applied inside/out......Suggestions?
Post by: John Castle on January 06, 2011, 06:58:58 PM
Yeah.... A reasonable degree of success!  I brushed solvent (in this case Top-Flite Trim solvent) on to all of the joints and after letting it sit for a few minutes the covering peeled off rather easily. Adds a lot more work to the project but I guess that's part of the game.

And for the sake of all those who follow I also discovered that if you press sticky tape to the Polyspan you can tell which side goes on the outside. The smooth side comes up clean and the rough side will pull some fibers with it. 8)

Thanks, John
Title: Re: Mistake...Polyspan applied inside/out......Suggestions?
Post by: Kim Mortimore on January 06, 2011, 08:46:30 PM

John,
Which Minwax Polyurethane are you using? I see several types listed on their website (not including Polycrylic).  Did it have any effect on the tightness of the polyspan?  Once you have recovered it right side up, will you be using any other type of paint on top of the Polyurethane?  I'm interested in nondope finishes for open bays that are fuelproof and flexible enough not to crack.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Mistake...Polyspan applied inside/out......Suggestions?
Post by: Bill Little on January 06, 2011, 08:48:21 PM
BTW, John, I thought I remembered you saying that you were steering clear of dopes, and other smelly paints, which is why I said "if you can use it" referring to the Duplicolor Primer/filler, but if you ever need to do something like that again, and you can use it, the "Filler/Primer" will get the job done.

(Tom N., go ahead, it works! ;D )

Bill
Title: Re: Mistake...Polyspan applied inside/out......Suggestions?
Post by: John Castle on January 06, 2011, 09:44:17 PM
John,
Which Minwax Polyurethane are you using? I see several types listed on their website (not including Polycrylic).  Did it have any effect on the tightness of the polyspan?  Once you have recovered it right side up, will you be using any other type of paint on top of the Polyurethane?  I'm interested in nondope finishes for open bays that are fuel proof and flexible enough not to crack.  Thanks.

I am using the Minwax water based Polycrylic in the picture which I purchased at Wal-Mart. In this case it is an electric model (an old time Playboy r/c) so I am not concerned with fuel proofing; I will deffer to the experts here on that. The minwax seems to shrink a very slight amount when dry, most of the shrinking is done with heat before or after applying the Minwax.  I will finish the model with Krylon spray paint or if I'm brave I have been experimenting with adding water based food dyes to the Minwax for a transparent finish. We will see.

BTW, John, I thought I remembered you saying that you were steering clear of dopes, and other smelly paints, which is why I said "if you can use it" referring to the Duplicolor Primer/filler, but if you ever need to do something like that again, and you can use it, the "Filler/Primer" will get the job done.

Definitely something I will keep in mind for the future.


John
Title: Re: Mistake...Polyspan applied inside/out......Suggestions?
Post by: john e. holliday on January 07, 2011, 05:09:28 PM
Could have saved a lot of trouble with just several more coats of the MinWax.  Or even clear dope.  Just don't sand until you get kind of a satin finish. H^^