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Offline John Hammonds

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Inkjet Vinyl Sticker Paper
« on: November 02, 2012, 06:50:53 PM »
Hi all,
 I was wondering if anyone has any experience with this stuff.

HIGH DEF CLEAR A4 INKJET STICKER /LABEL PAPER VINYL (Link)

I have always used inkjet water slide decal paper up to now but have had a number of issues mainly centred around fading issues over time and/or crazing of the decal due to the clear coat cracking if the decal is fairly large due to stretching when applying it to the model.

This stuff apparently has a coating which absorbs the ink and then seals it to the vinyl although they do recommend a coat of lacquer if it's expected to be exposed to long term sunlight/adverse weather conditions. It's available in both Gloss and Matte finishes.

It may be too thick for our use but I think I am going to buy a pack of clear and white and give it a try. (Unless anyone says "No it's rubbish").

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Re: Inkjet Vinyl Sticker Paper
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2012, 07:52:00 PM »
You'll probably still have fading problems -- that's a function of the dyes in the inks being susceptible to fading in sunlight.
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Re: Inkjet Vinyl Sticker Paper
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2012, 05:14:04 AM »
Hi Tim,
 Yes I think you are probably right about the fading. I guess that will be something which will always be a problem as far as using the ink-jet method is concerned. :( I think the secret to that is probably going to be in whatever you coat the finished item with and finding something at a reasonable price with good UV protection will be the key. (and of course compatible with whatever else you have painted the model with).

I'm still hoping I can avoid the crazing of the lacquer though due to the robustness of vinyl. I've applied a few larger stickers in the past (On 4x4 wheel covers etc) without any wrinkles using a "very" weak mixture of washing up liquid and water to allow them to slide around then squeeze out the mixture with a rubber pad.

I've ordered some so I'll see how it goes.

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Re: Inkjet Vinyl Sticker Paper
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2012, 08:50:23 AM »
I started working with vinyl in the early 70's. I strongly believe many don't realize that peel & stick vinyl has been around this long?

3M made the vinyl product. It came in sheets and was only available in primary colors. Sign painters, like myself, would use this material for background shapes and would generally brush letter over it. Saved us a bunch of time and allowed for creative looks without having to paint backgrounds, which meant two trips to the job.

There's more vinyl products available today than I like to think about. Thinking is something I don't like to do and try not to do.  n~  I actually try to run my sign and graphics business as simple as possible, same with my sideline, CFC Graphics.

Most of what I use for model graphics is 6 year vinyl and it's opaque. If you viewed the edge, the color is all the way through. Can fade but you can bring the color back with compound or wax. Generally 2.75 mil to 3 mil in thickness.

Some advanced modelers, who do scale, sometimes ask for the 8 year cast HP vinyl. 2 mil. This stuff can be burnished around rip stitching with a tad of heat and looks painted. Some modelers clear vinyl after it's applied.

I cannot afford the equipment, but I have wholesale sources for my full color printing and vehicle wraps. I just produce the art and send it out. This vinyl material is specially designed to except ink. Another clear material us placed on top of it to slow down UV fading and to protect the inked surface. This creates a finished product material that's 5 mil in thickness!

As far as printing at home? I see no reason why a modeler cannot produce his own printed graphics. I entertain and like to see others attempt or do their own stuff. Materials are available.

Protection from UV? Frog Juice, which I have mentioned before in this Forum, will slow down UV issues. Comes in aerosol cans and has been around for a long time.

My suggestion would be to walk into any sign shop and ask for a bit of the UV clear protective material used by professionals. The guy will probably give it to you for free, and quickly, just to get rid of you. Just kidding.  LL~

You can place this material over whatever you print and this will be better than no protection at all.

Here's the thing. Not all art needs the same material application. An example would be full color art and solid color lettering. The full color art needs UV protection and the solid color lettering does not.

Now, multi colored graphics. If the individual colors are solid, they wouldn't require printing to produce and they wouldn't need UV protection. This is why I specialize in multi-colored opaque graphics.

Here's a link that shows what can be done using opaque multi-colored graphics. Which, BTW, can be cut at home!

http://www.rcuniverse.com/community/profile.cfm?section=gallery&memid=11343

I've said this many times, any sign shop will give you plenty of scrap material. Simply walk in and ask to purchase scraps. You would be surprised what they toss.

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Re: Inkjet Vinyl Sticker Paper
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2012, 01:40:12 PM »
Hi Charles,
 Thanks for replying, I had hoped you would chime in. :)

Yes, Frog Juice. . . . As you say you have mentioned it before and so far I have not bitten the bullet and actually bought some.  b1 I always look out for it when I'm out and about but I think it will have to be a mail order purchase and I just have not got around to it.

When you say "brush letter over it." do you mean just paint letters directly onto the vinyl or is this a technique I am not familiar with?

Currently my models don't generally last long enough for fade to become an issue but I had noticed it on one model which steadfastly refuses to die despite my best attempts. I'm definitely going to give this a try. There seems to be a myriad of printable media available today, even ink-jet veneer.

Sadly attempts to try to blag a few offcuts have always been met with the type of response I would have expected had I just told the guy I was sleeping with his daughter.  ::) I guess art and craft types in the US are a bit more friendly than over here in the UK.

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Re: Inkjet Vinyl Sticker Paper
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2012, 04:03:33 PM »
John,

I've been to the UK and ran a Morgan +4 for over 30 years. I've owned many British sports cars, and restored plenty of British cars for customers over my working years. I've also had Range Rovers for over 20 years.

Now sadly, I'm not British, but does this count for something?

Oh, I almost forgot, I'm painting my Flite Streak in British 007 garb. Now that must count for something!

What exactly are you trying to accomplish?

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When you say "brush letter over it." do you mean just paint letters directly onto the vinyl or is this a technique I am not familiar with?

As a "once was," as in the past sign painter, we refer to painting a letter/character with paint and brush as "brush lettering." And yes. Sign guys would brush letter directly on vinyl. One Shot lettering paint sticks to vinyl.

Didn't know your local sign shop guys were gurning champions? Don't think we don't have a few here.

You can PM me for help.

BTW. I fancy Jen engines.

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Re: Inkjet Vinyl Sticker Paper
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2012, 04:53:29 PM »
What exactly are you trying to accomplish?

Nothing specific. I'm not a bad builder but I have always been dreadful when it comes to finishing. A combination of just wanting to get out and fly and a total lack of expertise.  ??? Colours run, bleed and lift when removing masks so I am always on the lookout for other ways of prettying up my models. I can usually get a good solid base colour down but then it all goes belly up. I used to use Solarfilm as trim but it never looked right, then I moved onto making my own water slide decals. Better, but I have problems with large pieces cracking, so I thought vinyl might be a better bet.

So, no master plan just trying to find a system I am comfortable with which may not score much in appearance points but does not look like a dogs breakfast either.

A Morgan +4 and a Range Rover!!! Crikey you're a glutton for punishment.  ;)

I ran a Reliant Scimitar GTE around for about 15 years. That cured me of old British cars. The Electrics were a nightmare. Fibreglass bodywork meant everything had separate earth leads back to the chassis. This coupled with a 3 litre V6 and suspension and brakes that would have been overstressed on a mountain bike made for love/hate relationship interspersed with moments of abject terror. Would I buy another if money was available Hell Yeah of course I would. ;D

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Re: Inkjet Vinyl Sticker Paper
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2012, 05:07:40 PM »
John,

I don't know that car so I googled it.

It's got great lines, reminds me of an  MGB GT, but oversizsed.  n~

Let me know what you need in vinyl graphics and I'll send them to you.

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