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Title: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (done)
Post by: Matt Colan on November 30, 2009, 07:30:55 PM
Now that I have most of the building done with my Oriental Plus, it is time to start finishing the model.  The airplane is covered with light silkspan and more and more coats of clear are being applied to it.  The fillets are on the airplane now, and last time I worked on fillets, I spent close to a week working on them.  I spent Sunday sanding down the high spots and rough edges, and starting to work on cockpit detailing.

One note, the landing gear is not stock.  They are SV-11 wheelpants we got from Vic Macaluso's old SV-11 that went in, and the aluminum gear is also from that airplane and will be able to clear a 15 inch prop (not that that big a prop is going on there anyway).

The only construction I still need to do, is making the cowl.

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Randy Powell on December 01, 2009, 12:57:18 PM
Matt,

>>The airplane is covered with light silkspan and more and more coats of clear are being applied to it.<<

So, you have already started the finish.   ;D
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Matt Colan on December 01, 2009, 03:57:29 PM
Matt,

>>The airplane is covered with light silkspan and more and more coats of clear are being applied to it.<<

So, you have already started the finish.   ;D

I guess so!  I silkspan the airplane when it is still in individual components, so that is why I was still building it when I covered it.  In fact the fuse is pretty close to being ready for some primer, but still got a ways to go on it.

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Matt Colan on December 30, 2009, 04:19:24 PM
Well, the thing has a little color on, just a little Brodak Gray, not the base color I'm going to be using, just to pick some of the places where I thought flaws would be.  It's amazing what you can see when color is applied.  If I left the plane alone and just painted it, it would be a good 15 foot finish, but I'm not going to be doing that.  I also got to brush on more clear, but it's getting there.  I've also been working on cockpit details, but can't really do much until I get a pilot.

I'm going to be coming up with a couple paint schemes, and I'll post them see what you all think  H^^
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Matt Colan on January 06, 2010, 05:29:01 PM
Here's the paint scheme I decided to do.  It'll be tough to mask that checkerboard in the back, but it'll be worth it.

What does everybody think?  Any input I would really appreciate  H^^
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Randy Powell on January 06, 2010, 06:22:14 PM
I like that rear checkerboard. Sort of looks like the red is peeling off to expose the checks. I love that effect.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Claudio Chacon on January 07, 2010, 11:19:19 AM
Hello Matt,

I've drawn a rough sketch of your plane, which shows a variant you may want to consider.
I saw that in the wing and stab you have curved trim colors and thought it would be nice to somehow match those curves in the fuse trim colors as well.
Of course, there are no rules when it comes to designing a paint scheme, so this is only MY own opinion.

Regards,
Claudio.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Matt Colan on January 07, 2010, 03:36:38 PM
Hello Matt,

I've drawn a rough sketch of your plane, which shows a variant you may want to consider.
I saw that in the wing and stab you have curved trim colors and thought it would be nice to somehow match those curves in the fuse trim colors as well.
Of course, there are no rules when it comes to designing a paint scheme, so this is only MY own opinion.

Regards,
Claudio.

Thanks a lot Claudio,

You got me thinking and now want to start experimenting again   ;D but I don't mind.

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach on January 07, 2010, 04:40:15 PM
Hi Matt....no one asked for my opinion, but that never stopped me before so here goes.  I like what Claudio has done for the side view, but I like that little flash of checkerboard you have on yours as well.  Maybe combine the two?  Its going to be a dilly when done.  Keep up the great work. H^^
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Claudio Chacon on January 07, 2010, 05:13:34 PM
You're welcome Matt.
Here you have some wings.
Just playing around... ;D sky's the limit!
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Randy Powell on January 07, 2010, 08:09:05 PM
Claudio,

What did you draws those with? Just curious. I'm currently trying to teach myself to you a vector drawing program just so I can do paint scheme layouts.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Mark Scarborough on January 07, 2010, 10:41:06 PM
Pssstt.
hey Randy, AutoCad will do it pretty slick,, oh, and wait, if you do your plans in Cad, then you already have the profiles to start with,,,  S?P H^^

Bonus,, you can take the DXF files and import them to a vinyl cutter for cutting masks with,,

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Randy Powell on January 07, 2010, 11:02:26 PM
Mark,

Yea, but I don't have AutoCAD. I do have a vector drawing program.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Claudio Chacon on January 08, 2010, 05:21:34 AM
Claudio,

What did you draws those with? Just curious. I'm currently trying to teach myself to you a vector drawing program just so I can do paint scheme layouts.

Randy,
I use Corel Graphics Suite X3 (ver. 13) to do all my CAD work, but any version will do it.
You can download it clicking here: http://www.softbull.com/coreldraw-graphics-suite-x3.html (free and fully functional, as this is not he latest version) or the free 15 days trial latest version (X4) from here: http://download.cnet.com/CorelDRAW-Graphics-Suite/3000-2191_4-10265849.html?tag=mncol

Both versions are  fully compatible with all laser cutting machines and plotters.

Once you get used to it, you'll LOVE it!
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Randy Powell on January 08, 2010, 12:04:46 PM
Hi Claudio,

I assumed it was CorelDraw, but I wanted to ask. I'm currently learning a program called Inkscape. It's an opensource, linux based, vector drawing program that has extensive tutorials. I'm told it is very similar to CorelDraw. I'm a real novice at this point, but it's fun learning. It uses the SVG format, too. I'm sure using AutoCAD (if I knew how to run it) would be awesome, but this seems like it will work pretty well.

Thanks for the CorelDraw link. I may install that under VirturalBox and give it a try, but I imagine that Inkscape can handle the job pretty well, too.

Matt, sorry for taking this off topic.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Brian Massey on January 08, 2010, 01:59:13 PM
I downloaded the free CorelDraw X3 from the link above, but it's in Spanish. Is there an English version I missed? I've used Corel since version 2 and have always been happy with it. I'm currently using Ver 12.

Thanks,

Brian
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Randy Powell on January 08, 2010, 03:01:11 PM
http://www.corel.com/akdlm/6763/downloads/trials/GraphicsSuiteX3/EN/CorelDRAWGraphicsSuiteX3.exe

This is the English version
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Matt Colan on January 17, 2010, 05:56:08 PM
Here's a question.  What is an easy way to mask checkerboard???

While on the subject, got some more clear on the airplane, and am almost done with cockpit detailing.

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Randy Powell on January 17, 2010, 10:54:39 PM
Matt,

Well, I talked a little about this. Part of it depends on if you are going around curves. On flat surfaces, you can just cut out Frisket paper or similar (I found some Avery stuff and Office Depot that works very well). If you are going around curve (at least compound curves), then it gets interesting. You can use soft vinyl material or do it the hard way with 3M "blue" vinyl tape (just be sure you shoot some clear before the color to prevent bleed). It can be a painstaking process. I draw out the pattern on the vinyl adhesive paper and cut it out, then stick it on and seal it down. Then shoot some clear to seal it and blast away.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Matt Colan on January 18, 2010, 06:39:02 AM
Matt,

Well, I talked a little about this. Part of it depends on if you are going around curves. On flat surfaces, you can just cut out Frisket paper or similar (I found some Avery stuff and Office Depot that works very well). If you are going around curve (at least compound curves), then it gets interesting. You can use soft vinyl material or do it the hard way with 3M "blue" vinyl tape (just be sure you shoot some clear before the color to prevent bleed). It can be a painstaking process. I draw out the pattern on the vinyl adhesive paper and cut it out, then stick it on and seal it down. Then shoot some clear to seal it and blast away.

Thanks Randy,

I could probably use a vinyl mask on the wing and probably on the front of the fuse.  I don't know about the rear of the fuse, since it would go around a curve, but it is relatively flat.

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Mark Scarborough on January 18, 2010, 05:20:44 PM
A single direction curve, IOW not a compound curve, will still take frisket fine. Of course centering the checkerboard on the fuse so its the same on both sides can be fun, but aside from that, it shouldnt be bad. I am assuming that its not really a compound curve since most fuse at the aft end are pretty straight.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Matt Colan on January 18, 2010, 05:39:19 PM
A single direction curve, IOW not a compound curve, will still take frisket fine. Of course centering the checkerboard on the fuse so its the same on both sides can be fun, but aside from that, it shouldnt be bad. I am assuming that its not really a compound curve since most fuse at the aft end are pretty straight.

Behind the pipe tunnel is the tail block which is just a 90 degree corner from side to bottom, so I'd say that could be done, and this is probably how I will end up doing it
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: john e. holliday on January 19, 2010, 08:34:34 AM
I don't know if the thread is still here or not, but Sparky showed how he did the Checker board on his p-47's.  If I remember right he used felt tip black markers.  Maybe he jump in on this,
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: John Tomlin on January 19, 2010, 09:00:12 PM
Claudio,

  Did you sign up and register for this program and if so, are you getting a lot of junk mail?  I don't like giving out my e-mail and all the information they are requesting.  Just wondering if you were experiencing any problems with it.

Thanks,

John

Randy,
I use Corel Graphics Suite X3 (ver. 13) to do all my CAD work, but any version will do it.
You can download it clicking here: http://www.softbull.com/coreldraw-graphics-suite-x3.html (free and fully functional, as this is not he latest version) or the free 15 days trial latest version (X4) from here: http://download.cnet.com/CorelDRAW-Graphics-Suite/3000-2191_4-10265849.html?tag=mncol

Both versions are  fully compatible with all laser cutting machines and plotters.

Once you get used to it, you'll LOVE it!
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Claudio Chacon on January 20, 2010, 02:07:33 AM
Claudio,

  Did you sign up and register for this program and if so, are you getting a lot of junk mail?  I don't like giving out my e-mail and all the information they are requesting.  Just wondering if you were experiencing any problems with it.

Thanks,

John


John,
No, I didn't downloaded this program. A friend of mine lend me the installer CD five years ago.
Buy I downloaded several other free programs and got very few non wanted mails.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Randy Powell on January 20, 2010, 10:41:09 AM
When I register for this sort of stuff, I use an email account that has severe spam filter settings (It's a yahoo account). Pretty much dumps anything that isn't in the address book. I keep that account around for just that reason. And I don't use my real physical address, either. Probably not really kosher, but I feel like if they are going to spam me, they are fair game.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: John Tomlin on January 20, 2010, 05:32:56 PM
Well, I downloaded the alleged free one (3X) and they say 15 day free trial.  I checked on the price of the 4X and WOW! it was like $329.  I can buy a whole bunch of plans for that.  So, at the end of 15 days, does it disappear????  I know I'm not paying $329. ???

John
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Jim Pollock on February 11, 2010, 01:42:15 PM
Nice plane Matt, I kinda thought you might have it painted by now?  Too much snow and ice up there or is
school work getting in the way of artistry?

Jim Pollock  H^^
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Matt Colan on February 11, 2010, 06:42:37 PM
Nice plane Matt, I kinda thought you might have it painted by now?  Too much snow and ice up there or is
school work getting in the way of artistry?

Jim Pollock  H^^

More school work.  Basketball ends tomorrow so now I can start working on the plane during the weekends.  Also I got February vacation coming up in 1 week  #^
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Matt Colan on February 20, 2010, 06:48:33 AM
After a couple of weeks of not being able to work on the plane due to school work and baskteball, I finally got the canopy attached, so finishing is able to really start to take off as I am now on winter vacation.  I'm aiming to have the plane painted by the end of vacation which ends on March 2nd.

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: jose modesto on February 20, 2010, 07:00:40 AM
Another way of working on paint finishes. Steve Buso drawing that i use for Pattermaster paint designs.
Jose Modesto
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus
Post by: Matt Colan on February 20, 2010, 06:03:59 PM
Canopy is now attached with epoxylite drying up right now.  I also started sanding the wings, and am hoping to give the whole plane a coat of primer tomorrow.  #^
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (Pics (in prime)
Post by: Matt Colan on February 21, 2010, 04:26:21 PM
Here is the plane in prime, plus a couple cockpit detailing photos.  Overall I am happy with how it turned out, it has it's flaws but they are definitely fixable.  The control surfaces maybe have 3-5 flaws TOTAL on all surfaces (by that I mean there is maybe one or two flaws per control surface).

Had a moment while I was sanding the plane.  I was gathering the flaps and the elevators, but couldn't find the stab.  I was looking and looking but couldn't find it.  I asked grandpa where the stab was and he says it's on the plane  LL~  HB~>

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (Pics (in prime)
Post by: john e. holliday on February 22, 2010, 09:45:06 AM
You are too young to be having moments like that.  It does get exasperating when I can't find something I just laid down and can't find it.  The daughter walks in and asks what I am looking for.  I tell her, then she reaches over and picks it up off the bench(bed right now). 
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (Pics (in prime)
Post by: Randy Powell on February 22, 2010, 10:04:21 AM
>>I asked grandpa where the stab was and he says it's on the plane<<

That's how you know to knock off for the day. You run all over the shop looking for a tool only to realize that it's in your left hand. Definitely time to knock off.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (Pics (in prime)
Post by: Shultzie on February 22, 2010, 10:39:56 AM
>>I asked grandpa where the stab was and he says it's on the plane<<

That's how you know to knock off for the day. You run all over the shop looking for a tool only to realize that it's in your left hand. Definitely time to knock off.
BEEN THERE...DUN'DONE THAT LATELY...ALL TOO OFTEN! LL~
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (Pics (in prime)
Post by: Matt Colan on February 22, 2010, 04:08:50 PM
Spent about 4 1/2 hours sanding the plane today, and my arm is sore.

Grandpa had a moment today also.  He had already painted blue on one wing panel on his Big Job, just to see how it looked with the orange.  He liked it and started taping off the rest of the trim.  He cut a piece of paper and i asked him what he was doing.  He looks at me and says he's masking the blue, then looks at the wing he was going to tape off only to discover that there was blue on that wing.  In turn he says, it's almost as bad as me asking where the stab is!

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (Pics (in prime)
Post by: john e. holliday on February 23, 2010, 10:38:16 AM
Yep, it sounds like you and grandpa need some time off.   Like a trip to Tuscon for the Vintage Stunt Championships.  It is amazing how someone idea that shouldn't work turned into a week long love fest of stuntdom. #^ #^ #^
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (Pics (in prime)
Post by: Mark Scarborough on February 23, 2010, 01:29:19 PM
Its looking great Matt,
keep on plugging,
as one whom has sanded a LOT recently,, ( see avenger long story) lol,
I can commiserate with the sore arm syndrome!
its all worth it though when the clear goes on.
Today I moved the plane out of the shop to the extension part of the building , had to take it outside to get there. The sun hit it just right as I wheeled it outside and I said,, HMMMMM yeah, its worth it,,
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (Pics (in prime)
Post by: Matt Colan on February 23, 2010, 03:42:38 PM
Its looking great Matt,
keep on plugging,
as one whom has sanded a LOT recently,, ( see avenger long story) lol,
I can commiserate with the sore arm syndrome!
its all worth it though when the clear goes on.
Today I moved the plane out of the shop to the extension part of the building , had to take it outside to get there. The sun hit it just right as I wheeled it outside and I said,, HMMMMM yeah, its worth it,,

Thanks Mark!!!!  Tomorrow, I'm going to sand down the 2 coats of clear I put on today, then apply some silver!  Hopefully it'll look like one of Windy's planes!!!!!
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (Pics (in prime)
Post by: Paul Taylor on February 23, 2010, 07:51:54 PM
WOW Matt!!!!

Looking real good!!
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (Pics (in prime)
Post by: Matt Colan on February 24, 2010, 10:44:51 AM
No work can be done on the Oriental today.  Due to this storm, I'm snowed in, and grandpa is busy trying to beat the storm in terms of snowblowing.

Since I can't do anything today, enjoy a picture of my Ares next to our bird bath in warmer times.

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (Pics (in prime)
Post by: Matt Colan on February 24, 2010, 08:24:31 PM
Psyche!!!  I managed to get the plane in silver tonight, and I thought it looked good when it was in prime, it looks awful in silver!  Now I know why Windy and others use Silver as a base because it SHOWS EVERYTHING!!!!!  At least my arm will be in shape when I finish this plane.

Trust me, the pictures make it look good, it really doesn't at all, especially since I shot the silver on fairly thin with an airbrush.

First pic is the sanded primer
2nd pic is the plane in silver
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (Pics (in prime)
Post by: Mark Scarborough on February 25, 2010, 12:13:25 AM
Nothin that cant be fixed with a liberal dose of sandpaper and elbow grease,, chin up, its gonna be great
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (Pics (in prime)
Post by: Randy Powell on February 25, 2010, 11:17:06 AM
Matt,

Mark's right, of course. As with any finish, you have to decide at what level you say, that's good enough. Sounds like with the current plane you're not yet a the point where you can say, OK, that's as good as it's going to get. Keep sanding. You'll be happier in the end.

No finish is ever completed, only abandoned.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (Pics (in prime)
Post by: Matt Colan on February 25, 2010, 03:53:18 PM
Matt,

Mark's right, of course. As with any finish, you have to decide at what level you say, that's good enough. Sounds like with the current plane you're not yet a the point where you can say, OK, that's as good as it's going to get. Keep sanding. You'll be happier in the end.

No finish is ever completed, only abandoned.

I'm trying to make the plane look good, by good I mean you can count the number of flaws and still have fingers left over.

I did sand down the silver today with a little help from grandpa (half of top outboard wing, and inboard stab), otherwise my arm would've fallen off.  The whole thing was sanded down with 600 to eliminate scratches.  After that we sprayed on a heavy coat of primer to hopefully fill the ridges in the sheeting, so tomorrow I'm going to sand that, and then spray on more silver.  If I'm content with what the silver shows, my arm will be jumping out of it's socket for joy, then the base color of white will go on.  Hopefully by Sunday, base color will be on, and on my last day of vacation (Tuesday), I want the trim to be on (red and blue, the black can wait, since that is only going to be inked on, a tip I got from Windy on how to do checkerboards).

Randy, I like that little phrase you put at the end of your post H^^
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (Pics (in prime)
Post by: Matt Colan on February 26, 2010, 03:06:49 PM
Got most of the primer sanded off, but still need to sand the bottom of the wings, the wheelpants, and the tip weight box.  I'm done for tonight because my arm is about to fall off.  What a lot of work (but it will be worth it)
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (Pics (in prime)
Post by: Matt Colan on February 27, 2010, 08:53:38 PM
Looking good you young whipper snapper. No go do your home work, You're making us olde fahrts  look bad. LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~

Can't wait to see it in color Matt.  H^^

Thanks Ty.  The base color is on now (silver), and now here is why, and it is hard to say this but, the d***n thing is overweight, but grandpa says it isn't.  I still need to sand out this last batch of prime he put on (he is getting VERY trigger happy).  Grandpa wanted to prime on the bad spots meanwhile I reached the point of it is good enough, but he didn't think so.

I weighed it and the airframe weighs 39 ounces (story coming) and with the powertrain 53 ounces  HB~>  HB~>  HB~> .  Now I began thinking of ways to cut weight, and I looked at the landing gear, weighed the aluminum strut and the thing weighs 3.5 ounces!!!!!!!!!!!!  Now I'm probably going to spend some money and get carbon fiber wheelpants from Windy when he gets back from VSC.  So now, take away 3.5 ounces and the thing now weighs with everything ready to fly, 50 ounces.  Now tomorrow, I am MAKING grandpa help me sand the hell out of it, and hopefully get rid of 3 ounces (I know he didn't spray on that much, but I need to get rid of something).  If I get rid of the 3 ounces, it now weighs 47, which is now becoming decent.  I looked at the wing loading (assuming I did the calculations right) and it is ok as of right now.

I keep insisting the darn thing is overweight, and grandpa insists that it is fine and I'm making myself crazy (hopefully he is).  He weighed his rebuilt Big Job, and that plane (and really has loaded paint on) weighs 47 ounces, and that doesn't make me happy at all.

I'll let you guys know how much weight I take off tomorrow.  I am now coming up with a different paint scheme to keep the weight down.  HB~>

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (Pics (in prime)
Post by: Randy Powell on February 27, 2010, 11:48:54 PM
>>I am now coming up with a different paint scheme to keep the weight down.<<

Matt,

Now you know why I ended up with the paint scheme I did on my last PA plane. All I could think of was, where can I cut weight.

I sometimes think it's worse the other way. The Silver Slider I built was ridiculous light before finish. so I did worry too much about how much paint I was putting on. Big mistake. I ended up probably 8 oz overweight. Maybe it's a good thing, worrying about weight, when you are finishing.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (Pics (in prime)
Post by: Mark Scarborough on February 28, 2010, 12:55:32 AM
>>I am now coming up with a different paint scheme to keep the weight down.<<


I sometimes think it's worse the other way. The Silver Slider I built was ridiculous light before finish. so I did worry too much about how much paint I was putting on. Big mistake. I ended up probably 8 oz overweight. Maybe it's a good thing, worrying about weight, when you are finishing.

Randy,,
I have no official comment at this time!
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (Pics (in prime)
Post by: Matt Colan on February 28, 2010, 06:59:07 AM
>>I am now coming up with a different paint scheme to keep the weight down.<<

Matt,

Now you know why I ended up with the paint scheme I did on my last PA plane. All I could think of was, where can I cut weight.

I sometimes think it's worse the other way. The Silver Slider I built was ridiculous light before finish. so I did worry too much about how much paint I was putting on. Big mistake. I ended up probably 8 oz overweight. Maybe it's a good thing, worrying about weight, when you are finishing.

yeah, I know.  The Ares I was worried about weight and did a 5 ounce finish, went from 37 to 42 ready to fly.  I came up with an idea when I was in bed half asleep, was to mix some gold into the silver, I think that would look kind of cool, or maybe a bronze.  Then I would have to see, what trim colors cover and somewhat go with one of those colors.

I really don't know how it got that heavy, because really there is not that much paint on it???

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (Pics (in prime)
Post by: Matt Colan on February 28, 2010, 05:21:32 PM
Today, we took about 2 ounces off the airplane, and then sprayed on a very thin, just enough to cover coat of silver, and it is now my base color.  Starting tomorrow I'm going to start masking out the paint scheme, which will be a bit of a combination between Windy's Big Job, Derek Barry's red evolution, and some ideas of my own.

Here is a pic.  The plane doesn't look to shabby, definitely not a 20 pointer, but will be my best looking plane when finished!

Edit:  projected weight with carbon fiber strut should be somewhere around 54-55 ounces.

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (base color(2/28)
Post by: Randy Ryan on February 28, 2010, 06:34:54 PM
Matt, I highly recommend you spray a light coat of clear over the silver befoe you try to mask it. Silver is pretty fragile and the clear will act as a binder holding it all together. Also use a heat gun when removing masking, it'll save a pile of heartache, especially with the silver.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (base color(2/28)
Post by: Steve Helmick on February 28, 2010, 07:30:43 PM
Matt...I'd suggest losing the wheel pants plot and get yourself (or make) a CF landing gear! I just weighed the one off my Skylark (very close to the size of your O+).  It weighs 2.6 oz with 2" wheels (kinda wide ones, maybe Brodak) with 6-32 buttonhead axles. Better for grass, anyway...  y1 Steve
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (base color(2/28)
Post by: Matt Colan on February 28, 2010, 07:38:44 PM
Matt...I'd suggest losing the wheel pants plot and get yourself (or make) a CF landing gear! I just weighed the one off my Skylark (very close to the size of your O+).  It weighs 2.6 oz with 2" wheels (kinda wide ones, maybe Brodak) with 6-32 buttonhead axles. Better for grass, anyway...  y1 Steve

Steve,

I was going to talk to Windy about getting carbon fiber landing gear when he got back from VSC.  I was looking to see if he could make a mold of my aluminm wheelpants so that I could save a bunch of weight.

I have no clue how to make carbon fiber landing gear so that option is eliminated.

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (base color(2/28)
Post by: Steve Helmick on February 28, 2010, 09:02:10 PM
http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=7867.msg67393#msg67393 ...a good thread on the subject of CF molding. There is a picture of a Dan Winship LG mold...also google his website, as there are some tutorials on it that will be useful.

Bruce Perry once posted a pic of his "humpty" LG mold that looked like a pile of plywood bits...but worked. I can't find it to attach. I don't know of a commercially available CF LG with a hump for a pipe manifold. In the thread above, note the post suggesting "CST"...good folks, with lots of know-how and I think some tutorials on their site. It's a good way to get just what you want, and it would be a learning experience! I worked in the Mock-Up fiberglass shop at Boeing in '65, so I'm not inexperienced with making molds and layup, but haven't tried CF yet. I'm sure it's a bit different, but I'd bet that Windy would have at least one video that would show all about how to do it.  Howard would give good advise, I'm sure.  Ask him about his axles...yikes!

Nice weather today...did another crappy square vertical 8, getting ready for the new optional bonus maneuver pattern...  LL~ Steve
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (base color(2/28)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 02, 2010, 06:20:45 AM
Ok, last night, I only had time to spray one wing panel in red, since I ate dinner late.  No silver was pulled up when I pulled the tape off.

Windy sure wasn't kidding when he says red will cover in 1 coat over a silver base.  This is the first time we have experienced red cover so well, (only had one other experience and it wasn't a good one), so here are 3 pictures from last night!

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (some trim on it)
Post by: steve pagano on March 02, 2010, 07:24:38 AM
Hey Matt She's lookin real good !!
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (some trim on it)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 02, 2010, 08:16:04 AM
Hey Matt She's lookin real good !!

Thanks Steve,

I'm hoping to have the rest of the red masked off today.  The black will have to wait until the weekend since I head back to school tomorrow
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (some trim on it)
Post by: steve pagano on March 02, 2010, 10:55:15 AM
Thanks Steve,

I'm hoping to have the rest of the red masked off today.  The black will have to wait until the weekend since I head back to school tomorrow

It's always when you get tot the good stuff school happens to pop up! lol Im probly going to be at flushing this year with an arf since school is kickin my butt and now that i'll be attending Nassau Fire Academy starting the 16th I'll be lucky if i can get a chance to pick up a stunt news let alone an #11. I did figure out how to take the train from my house in the morning to flushing to get a good day of flying in the hop back on the train and report to my firehouse for a night shift in only a quick 36 stops on the subway LOL.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (some trim on it)
Post by: Randy Ryan on March 02, 2010, 12:15:50 PM
Lookin' really good Matt, hope your luck with the silver holds!
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (some trim on it)
Post by: Wynn Robins on March 02, 2010, 02:19:20 PM
Matt - looking good so far, hope to see it all finished soon
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (some trim on it)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 02, 2010, 04:43:01 PM
Thanks for the comments guys!  Randy, up until I pulled the tape off today, I had good luck with the silver, two small little spots on the flaps pulled, a quick touch up is all that is needed.

I spent 6 hours masking the plane out for a 10 minute spray job (one coat of red is all that is needed to cover over silver, it even covered in one coat on my face, no clue how paint go there  :P).

Here are three pictures with the red on.  I can't do anything until Friday since I return to school tomorrow, but at least I will have something to look foward to
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (some trim on it)
Post by: john e. holliday on March 03, 2010, 09:18:05 AM
Yes making does take time.  I want to know where your safety glasses are?  But, I won't tell OSHA on you.  Plane is looking great so far.   H^^
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (some trim on it)
Post by: Tom Niebuhr on March 03, 2010, 09:51:57 AM
Tony,
Glad to hear that you are attending the Fire Academy. I know that it has been your goal.

Matt,
Looking good. Keep up the good work. You have been a very good student of your grandpa.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (some trim on it)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 03, 2010, 07:39:25 PM
Thanks again guys!  I don't know how much I'm going to get done this weekend because Saturday, I'm planning to go to the state championship game since our varsity team is in the game.  And Sunday is, so far shaping up to be a possible...
FLYING DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!  #^ #^ #^ #^

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (some trim on it)
Post by: Steve Helmick on March 04, 2010, 07:24:46 PM
Matt...You need a CF landing gear. If you don't want to buy one from Randy Aero or Windy Aero, I have Windy's way of rolling your own, in a PDF.  I tried to post it, but the file size is over 1,000kb, so it won't upload.  Czech your email!  :-[  Steve
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (some trim on it)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 05, 2010, 12:01:35 PM
Matt...You need a CF landing gear. If you don't want to buy one from Randy Aero or Windy Aero, I have Windy's way of rolling your own, in a PDF.  I tried to post it, but the file size is over 1,000kb, so it won't upload.  Czech your email!  :-[  Steve

Steve,

I plan to get a set of CF landing gear from Windy when he gets back from VSC.  I'm going to see if he can make a mold of the aluminum landing gear I got now and make a set of CF gear out of that  (we'll see when I talk to him)...

Oh yeah thanks for the email!

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (some trim on it)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 06, 2010, 06:16:06 AM
Matt, Matt, Matt. You are young and we want you to live a lonnnggg time. So PLEASE wear a mask for painting, one that keeps out the fumes of the thinner as well as the paint particles.  Your lungs and taste  buds, liver and brain will thank you later on. Trust lme on this. Nuff said. y1 D>K  They are available at Sears for one.

Ty, I do use a mask.  When I use the big spray gun, I wear a full respriator.  When I use an airbrush, I use a dust mask.  If you look at some of the earlier pictures, I am wearing a dust mask since I'm using an airbrush.  When I spray on clear with the big auto touch up gun, or the silver, I used a full respirator.

By the way last night, I sprayed on one wing panel of the black, and it came out ok, but that is probably all I'm going to get done this weekend, unless after our planned couple flights on Sunday, I can get something done, who knows, the future is yet unseen.

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (some trim on it)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 07, 2010, 07:19:25 PM
Here it is with one wing panel of black that I painted on Friday, touched up and resprayed tonight, so here is two pics!

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (more trim)
Post by: Mark Scarborough on March 07, 2010, 10:17:42 PM
Lookin pretty darngood there Matt,
I love the fact that you are enjoying this process,, makes me all warm and fuzzy,,
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (more trim)
Post by: Randy Powell on March 08, 2010, 03:22:54 PM
Matt,

Looks good so far. So, are you planning on backmasking all the trim to shoot on the base color (white, I think you said), or are you deciding to go with silver as the base color?

I like it so far. Remind me, how are you powering it?
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (more trim)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 08, 2010, 05:33:01 PM
Matt,

Looks good so far. So, are you planning on backmasking all the trim to shoot on the base color (white, I think you said), or are you deciding to go with silver as the base color?

I like it so far. Remind me, how are you powering it?

I decided to stick with the silver as the base color just to save weight, and it looks good in silver.  I'm powering it with a PA 40UL on a pipe.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (more trim)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 14, 2010, 04:30:05 PM
Today, I finished putting the black trim on the wings, and got a few sheets of decal paper so I can print out the graphics I made for it.  And I now know when I fly the airplane at  contests, I'll have a matching shirt!  I made one yesterday during a confirmation retreat (it was supposed to have something to do with religion).  Basically I hand drew the airplane, and put the trim on from memory with some fabric markers.

It's getting there.  I'll post a pic when I have the rest of the trim on the airplane H^^
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (more trim)
Post by: Howard Rush on March 15, 2010, 01:07:09 AM
I think the Confirmation was a Ted Fancher airplane. 
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (more trim)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 15, 2010, 01:36:07 PM
I think the Confirmation was a Ted Fancher airplane. 

 LL~ LL~ ;D ::) >:D
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (more trim)
Post by: Greg L Bahrman on March 19, 2010, 10:01:21 PM
Doesn't look much like the sketches I saw ???..............of course it still looks good.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (more trim)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 20, 2010, 06:14:52 AM
Doesn't look much like the sketches I saw ???..............of course it still looks good.

I know Greg.  I think the plane is overweight, so I wanted to change the paint scheme to hopefully get rid of some weight by putting less paint on, so I stuck with the silver as the base color instead of planning to paint white over that, then painting on the trim.  I felt like it was going to be just to much paint and add to much weight, so I changed the paint scheme to save weight.

I'm hoping to maybe get the rest of the trim painted on today, which I'll post pics.

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (more trim)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 21, 2010, 04:27:28 PM
I got the rest of the trim on today, but didn't have time to pull the tape off because I had to get home for Dinner.  I gave grandpa the task of pulling the tape off and shooting pictures.  I told him he gets extra credit for putting the way to heavy landing gear on and shooting some pictures on the rug.  I also gave him the extremely hard task of emailing pictures to me to so I can post them  ;D
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (more trim)
Post by: Jim Pollock on March 22, 2010, 03:13:24 AM
Well,

With his experimental weight addition to a Tucker Special, Ted Fancher along with Brett, I think?  Proved that adding weight is not necessarily a bad thing!   D>K

Jim Pollock   H^^
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (more trim)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 22, 2010, 04:37:16 PM
Well,

With his experimental weight addition to a Tucker Special, Ted Fancher along with Brett, I think?  Proved that adding weight is not necessarily a bad thing!   D>K

Jim Pollock   H^^

maybe it's not a bad thing, but it is all in one area, which could affect, and probably will affect the vertical cg of the airplane, which is also another reason why I would like CF landing gear.  H^^
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (more trim)
Post by: Mark Scarborough on March 22, 2010, 04:49:07 PM
Well,

With his experimental weight addition to a Tucker Special, Ted Fancher along with Brett, I think?  Proved that adding weight is not necessarily a bad thing!   D>K

Jim Pollock   H^^
As I recall, this situation was a result of the airplane not having enough line tension to impart control deflection . My understading was that by adding weight, they were able to get enough control deflection because of the higher tension, wheras before, the force required to deflect the surfaces was greater than the amount available from line tension . The Netzband wall effect
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (more trim)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 22, 2010, 08:07:53 PM
Here is is with the rest of the paint on.  After spending about 10 minutes on the phone, I finally talked talked grandpa through attaching the picture on the email.

Here it is  H^^
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 28, 2010, 06:27:48 AM
Last night I put the thing together and took some pictures on the rug.  I did finish all the touching up that was needed, and today the decals and hopefully a coat of clear.

Here's some pics of the plane
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 28, 2010, 06:45:29 PM
Here are some more pictures, today we got the decals on, and they came out great!!!!!!!!  Also got 2 coats of clear on!

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Eric Viglione on March 28, 2010, 08:20:30 PM
That's gonna be one sweet ride Matt! Bet you can't wait to fly her. Great work!
EricV
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Randy Powell on March 28, 2010, 10:16:47 PM
Looks very nice, Matt. Should be a killer.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Claudio Chacon on March 29, 2010, 05:52:11 AM
Beautiful job Matt. The silver-red combination looks really great. Well chosen fonts too.
It'll look gorgeous when finished with the clear on.
Your improvements with every ship you build are evident.
Keep up the good work.

Cheers,
Claudio.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 29, 2010, 07:09:43 PM
Thanks guys!!!!!  I'm really hoping this plane will be a killer flier!

I have noticed my quality in building skills have gone up with every plane I've built.  I'm hoping my Cobra will look even better than this one, as I've learned a lot about getting a FLAT surface H^^
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Howard Rush on March 29, 2010, 09:19:35 PM
You're doing better than I could do at three times your age.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Randy Powell on March 30, 2010, 12:07:19 PM
>>I have noticed my quality in building skills have gone up with every plane I've built.<<

We all hope that. I still get better with each plane.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Randy Ryan on March 30, 2010, 01:00:31 PM
>>I have noticed my quality in building skills have gone up with every plane I've built.<<

We all hope that. I still get better with each plane.


Same here, there's always the one (maybe more) thing(s) you could have done better.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 30, 2010, 02:06:12 PM
Yeah, this one definitely has a couple things I could do better on.  This was the first time I sheeted a foam wing, and there were ridges in between the sheeting.  Don't know how they got there, especially since grandpa helped me and showed me how to sheet a wing?  The ridges were eventually covered up in the primer and silver so you can't see them anymore.

Silver is an extremely difficult color to work with.  In the future, I may use the silver just to find the flaws, but probably not as a base color.  Two spots were pulled up when I pulled the tape off, but that wasn't a big deal, it's just hard to get right (if you look real close, you can see some of the silver lifted, but didn't pull off the paint).

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Randy Ryan on March 30, 2010, 04:31:08 PM
"(if you look real close, you can see some of the silver lifted, but didn't pull off the paint)."


Heat Matt, a little heat, a thin coat of clear before taping trim helps too.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 30, 2010, 04:44:57 PM
"(if you look real close, you can see some of the silver lifted, but didn't pull off the paint)."


Heat Matt, a little heat, a thin coat of clear before taping trim helps too.

Yeah, if I use silver again, I will do that.  Every other plane I've painted there hasn't been any problem whatsoever in pulling up the paint, probably because I've used gray as a base, and not silver.  I do think silver looks better, it is just hard to work with, well it's all a learning experience.

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Randy Ryan on March 30, 2010, 06:43:45 PM
Yeah, if I use silver again, I will do that.  Every other plane I've painted there hasn't been any problem whatsoever in pulling up the paint, probably because I've used gray as a base, and not silver.  I do think silver looks better, it is just hard to work with, well it's all a learning experience.




It'll still be a learning experience when your 60 Matt, but it's a great one.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 30, 2010, 07:00:37 PM

It'll still be a learning experience when your 60 Matt, but it's a great one.

It definitely is.  I remember  I used to think my profile looked good.  Of course that was my first kit build, then came my second Smoothie, then the Ares, and now the Oriental Plus.  Each has gotten better, so the Cobra should also be better than the oriental Plus.

Edit:  At least it is a fun learning experience.

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Jim Pollock on March 31, 2010, 06:57:44 AM
Matt, Randy,

Guys don't get too obsessed with weight!  Ted and Brett added 8 ounces to a Tucker Special and it actually flew a lot better than when it was lighter.  Just keep them as light as possible and don't worry about it!  n1

Jim Pollock   y1   
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Matt Colan on March 31, 2010, 01:41:06 PM
Matt, Randy,

Guys don't get too obsessed with weight!  Ted and Brett added 8 ounces to a Tucker Special and it actually flew a lot better than when it was lighter.  Just keep them as light as possible and don't worry about it!  n1

Jim Pollock   y1   

Well, the aluminum landing gear weighs 2+ ounces, and since I have a pipe setup, I don't want the vertical cg too much, so I bought a set of CF landing gear from Windy, which weighs an ounce.  The plane should come in around 55 ounces with the new CF landing gear.  55 is acceptable, but I wanted it to weigh 48, so that is why I think the plane is on the overweight side.  I emailed Dee Rice, and he said that weight will be fine, so my views on the weight have changed...

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Mark Scarborough on March 31, 2010, 10:54:41 PM
Matt,
Like I have come to the point on the Avenger,, it weighs, exactly as much as it weighs, and I wont worry about it till I fly it, then decide how heavy it is. I was a lot more worried about it till I found out that the original tested its gear a bit more than I thought it did,, Now that I was told how much it might have weighed,, well Im ok,, and looking forard to test flights. I have about 6 or 7 new props all adjusted and balanced, and tweaked for testing,, now just need weather,,
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Randy Ryan on April 01, 2010, 05:58:38 AM
I've been finding too that a little extra weight can be a good thing. But being an old Free Flighter I build light out of habit and think its still prudent to do so. Its easier to add weight then lose it.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Randy Powell on April 01, 2010, 02:16:50 PM
I think it's important to do what you can to insure that the plane doesn't have excess weight on it. But I've learned that obsessing over weight just gives you ulcers. Like Mark, I feel that what it weighs is what it weighs. I try not to judge until it's flown. I make components as light as I can and I'm learning to keep my darned finger off the paint trigger, but in the end, it weighs what it weighs.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Matt Colan on April 01, 2010, 06:16:37 PM
Grandpa called me today and told me that the plane fell off the wall  HB~> HB~> .  Now some major repairs are going to be needed to fix the airplane, according to him.  I haven't seen the damage yet but from what he told me it sounds like it took quite a hit.  Now I got no clue when I will get the airplane done, repaired even.

It is April 1st, don't know if that gives you any hint  <=
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: john e. holliday on April 02, 2010, 08:14:53 AM
Well Matt, did you find out Grandpa is pulling the old April Fools joke on ya?   If not, hope the plane is not hurt too bad.  I have knocked  planes off their hooks with no damage.  H^^
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Matt Colan on April 02, 2010, 06:26:34 PM
Well Matt, did you find out Grandpa is pulling the old April Fools joke on ya?   If not, hope the plane is not hurt too bad.  I have knocked  planes off their hooks with no damage.  H^^

Actually I made up the joke, he had no part in it! H^^ LL~
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Tom Luciano on April 02, 2010, 08:42:14 PM
All the talk of it being too heavy. I just figured the hook broke LL~ LL~
Tom
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: john e. holliday on April 03, 2010, 10:31:45 AM
It alright Matt,  your turn is coming. n1 n1 n1 H^^
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Matt Colan on April 06, 2010, 07:36:24 PM
All the talk of it being too heavy. I just figured the hook broke LL~ LL~
Tom

I'm not going to worry anymore.  It is what it is and I can't change that.  I would love for it to be lighter, but I can't change it.  I'm hoping next weekend, it will be ready to fly, or at least bench trimmed!

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Tom Luciano on April 06, 2010, 08:26:21 PM
 It will fly great!
Tom
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Matt Colan on April 07, 2010, 04:51:49 PM
Grandpa decided to work ahead, and he put Windy's CF landing gear on for me.

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Randy Ryan on April 08, 2010, 09:32:41 AM
I really like your choice of engine decals Matt!
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Matt Colan on April 08, 2010, 03:30:39 PM
I really like your choice of engine decals Matt!

Thanks Randy!  On my computer, it was actually a different font, but I have Windows Vista, and he has XP.  When grandpa printed it, they came out different then what I have on my computer (the font title is the same).  At least it still looks good, I may even like this font better than the other one!
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: john e. holliday on April 10, 2010, 04:26:10 PM
Matt if your Oriental flies as well as it looks, you have a winner.  Keep up the great work. H^^
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Steve Schlesser on April 11, 2010, 08:26:48 AM
Matt,
 Very nicely done, keep up the great work.
 Steve
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Matt Colan on April 11, 2010, 03:16:41 PM
Thanks guys!  The thing is in final assembly now, so hopefully next weekend, I'll get it bench run.  #^
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Matt Colan on April 11, 2010, 07:49:31 PM
It's ALMOST done!!!!!!!!!!!!  If I didn't have to get home for dinner, it would be done.  All that is left is finish glueing in the hinges, put the motor in, and wrap the leadouts.

It will be flying next weekend, if the weather holds up  #^  #^  #^  #^
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (painted)
Post by: Balsa Butcher on April 11, 2010, 10:00:51 PM
Looks really good Matt. Good luck on your first flight (good choice of engine also!)  8)
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (done)
Post by: Matt Colan on April 15, 2010, 10:14:10 AM
Well it done more or less!  Bad thing is is that I had to add 2 ounces of nose weight to get it to balance (ugh), and the plane is bottom heavy.  I don't know hiow much it weighs, and I really don't want to because of how heavy I think it is (hopefully my fears will not be true)

I'm going to bench run it tonight, make up the lines, and take some pics, and I'll post them.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (done)
Post by: Claudio Chacon on April 15, 2010, 10:59:40 AM
Well it done more or less!  Bad thing is is that I had to add 2 ounces of nose weight to get it to balance (ugh), and the plane is bottom heavy.  I don't know hiow much it weighs, and I really don't want to because of how heavy I think it is (hopefully my fears will not be true)

I'm going to bench run it tonight, make up the lines, and take some pics, and I'll post them.

Forget about the weight and enjoy your new plane Matt!
It's way more important a well trimmed plane than a couple extra ounces...

Wish you a successful maiden flight!

Claudio.
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (done)
Post by: Matt Colan on April 15, 2010, 03:42:15 PM
Forget about the weight and enjoy your new plane Matt!
It's way more important a well trimmed plane than a couple extra ounces...

Wish you a successful maiden flight!

Claudio.

Thanks Claudio!  I'm hoping to get a flight or two in this weekend, but the weather does not look promising right now, supposed to rain all weekend, and Sunday is supposed to start to clear up.

We'll see...
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (done)
Post by: Matt Colan on April 15, 2010, 05:54:12 PM
I thought I was worried about the weight of the plane, well, now I'm not so worried.  When I bench ran the plane today, the amount of pull I felt holding onto the plane was tremendous for a 40 displacement.  Then again, this is my first modern motor.

It really should fly good!!!

Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (done)
Post by: Randy Ryan on April 15, 2010, 06:37:48 PM
I thought I was worried about the weight of the plane, well, now I'm not so worried.  When I bench ran the plane today, the amount of pull I felt holding onto the plane was tremendous for a 40 displacement.  Then again, this is my first modern motor.

It really should fly good!!!



Well where's the picture man!!!??? You know, finished product!!
Title: Re: Finishing of the Oriental Plus (done)
Post by: Matt Colan on April 15, 2010, 06:39:26 PM
Well where's the picture man!!!??? You know, finished product!!

Check the Open Forum.  I figured I'd make a new topic, since this is a long thread...