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Title: Down and dirty finishing/painting?
Post by: Ronald Borski on September 17, 2009, 01:48:21 PM
 mw~

Remember the commercial, "How many licks to the tootsie roll?". Well, I'm counting and trying not to bite it like in the old commercial. Ignore that if you don't remember it, it is an age test.

Ok, so apply 50/50 coats of blank.., sand, 2 coats of clear, sand, apply 3 coats of primer sand, 2 coats clear, sand 2 or 3 coats color, sand, another coat or two of clear, request St. Peter to send me my plane so I can finish. Lol, just joking... numbers and such made up. But.. the truth of the matter is that free time for me is short and over the last week and a half of building a profile plane the wife is all ready to send me with my bags packing.

What is a down and dirty fast way to "finish" a model for flight? This won't be a beauty queen but just want it functional.

I have purchased some monokote and brodak clear/thinner/color and do have an airbrush.

Thanks. Yup, I've read a lot of stuff here but what I've read will take weeks of work and tons of coats.  Can you spell d-vorce?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Down and dirty finishing/painting?
Post by: Randy Powell on September 17, 2009, 02:56:03 PM
Hmmm, trade in the spouse on a more supportive model?

Finishing resin on the fuse, sand, shoot Rustoleum color. Monokote on the wings, tail and control surfaces and go flying.
Title: Re: Down and dirty finishing/painting?
Post by: Randy Ryan on September 17, 2009, 06:22:54 PM
Hmmm, trade in the spouse on a more supportive model?

Finishing resin on the fuse, sand, shoot Rustoleum color. Monokote on the wings, tail and control surfaces and go flying.

That's just about a simple as it can get, and it's durable, and with a bit of care can be make to look very nice.
Title: Re: Down and dirty finishing/painting?
Post by: Ronald Borski on September 17, 2009, 07:01:51 PM
Super folks! I appreciate the info. Tight lines.
Title: Re: Down and dirty finishing/painting?
Post by: Russell Shaffer on September 17, 2009, 08:52:35 PM
Add one coat of clear high gloss, oil based polyurethane over the spray paint.  Makes it really tough and easy to clean and it won't get soft as it ages.
Title: Re: Down and dirty finishing/painting?
Post by: Ward Van Duzer on September 18, 2009, 09:47:58 AM
Beware of Rustoleum Metalics...Not fuel proof! Black rustoleum only so-so...

 H^^

Ward-O
Title: Re: Down and dirty finishing/painting?
Post by: Ronald Borski on September 18, 2009, 11:25:12 AM
Thanks again.

I'm watching the thread. Haven't flown since early 80's and I hope that I don't plant it. :)

I'll post a pic here no matter how it turns out.  H^^
Title: Re: Down and dirty finishing/painting?
Post by: Randy Powell on September 18, 2009, 01:45:56 PM
In the 80s, I did a lot of planes that had 3/4oz glass and finishing resin on the fuse. Shot epoxy paint on with maybe a single trim line. (K&B Superpoxy back then - probably use KlassKote now) then monokoted the flying surfaces. Could usually finish it up in less than a week. Not fancy, but it was durable and looked OK.
Title: Re: Down and dirty finishing/painting?
Post by: Mark Scarborough on September 18, 2009, 11:11:15 PM
What Randy P says, you can use just the finishing resin ( I prefer epoxy finisheng resin instead of polyester resin) , or resin and .75 oz cloth. a coat of rattle can primer, ( or two) sand thouroughly, use klasskote, or some other catalysed paint. I use auto urethane, but unless you know what your doing and have proper equipment its not the best option.
Title: Re: Down and dirty finishing/painting?
Post by: Ronald Borski on September 19, 2009, 12:45:36 PM
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Down and dirty finishing/painting?
Post by: john e. holliday on September 21, 2009, 10:22:48 AM
I have profiles and built ups ompletely done in moneykote.  Epoxy in the tank/engine compartment/area.  DOC Holliday
Title: Re: Down and dirty finishing/painting?
Post by: Walter Hicks on September 22, 2009, 02:56:08 PM
Super quick somewhat expensive :  .5 oz glass cloth on all solid surfaces attached with foam friendly Cyno glues. You can sand and fill in no time and prime with spray can auto primer , paint with whatever you want . Several hours of work and you are done! Very light an durable. monokote , Ultra kote any built up surfaces.
Title: Re: Down and dirty finishing/painting?
Post by: Bryan Higgins on September 25, 2009, 12:27:28 PM
Ronald

Here is one simple and quick way.

(1) Finish Model
(2) Sand with 400
(3) Clean Model
(4) Cover with Ultracote Covering

Your ready to fly
Title: Re: Down and dirty finishing/painting?
Post by: Ronald Borski on November 11, 2009, 08:46:20 PM
Ok,  I promised pics. Like I said, no matter what it turns out like.

Let's just say, after painting the fuse 3 times, and the third time I sanded down to wood through two finishes, here is what I have. Lustrekote over silkspan fuse. I obviously cut corners. Don't think I laid down enough clear coats becuase I still have grain. Long story short she is about ready to fly. Was balancing her out a tonight and setting up the controls. Leaving her a little nose heavy for my first go rounds.

Ok, so guess I'll just have to laugh off having to repaint 3 times. 

Added note. I would like to thank Ralph Wenzel for actually calling me in reply to an e-mail I sent him. He gave me some very much needed and good advice about another plane I have on the way for my nephew, the Hangar 9 PT-19. Thanks Ralph.

Tight lines folks.

Ron
Title: Re: Down and dirty finishing/painting?
Post by: Richard Grogan on November 13, 2009, 12:16:30 AM
That really turned out nice this time Ron! Looking forward to maybe flying it this weekend! Nice job,man.  H^^
Title: Re: Down and dirty finishing/painting?
Post by: Ronald Borski on November 13, 2009, 05:11:00 AM
Pictures carefully selected and out of focus.    ;D
Title: Re: Down and dirty finishing/painting?
Post by: Paul Smith on November 13, 2009, 06:51:24 AM
I like dyed silk and clear dope.  You won't win the concourse dee exalance at The Nats, but it makes a nice plane that's a lot more rigid that a Monocote job.

Dope drys fast.  You can easily do six coats in two days.  Five minutes to brush it on, then do something productive for a half hour 'til the next coat.
Title: Re: Down and dirty finishing/painting?
Post by: Randy Ryan on November 14, 2009, 07:44:36 AM
I like dyed silk and clear dope.  You won't win the concourse dee exalance at The Nats, but it makes a nice plane that's a lot more rigid that a Monocote job.

Dope drys fast.  You can easily do six coats in two days.  Five minutes to brush it on, then do something productive for a half hour 'til the next coat.



Heck Paul, on a 6 footer you just go back to the other end and start over!
Title: Re: Down and dirty finishing/painting?
Post by: Steve Helmick on November 14, 2009, 09:36:48 PM


Heck Paul, on a 6 footer you just go back to the other end and start over!

Yes, I think Randy has a fine idea here. Keep the dope fumes as constant as possible. The wife  mw~ will either learn to live with it, or leave. They may even suggest a shop building out back, which isn't a bad option if they offer to pay for it. Suggest a contractor....don't offer to build it yourself, right Doc?  S?P

Reminds me of a great joke. Guy asks his wife (or vs. versa) "What would you do if I won the Lotto?" "Take half and leave." "I won $12...here's $6...get **   out!"   LL~ Steve