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Offline Charles Meeks

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Can I put butyrate dope over epoxy fillets?
« on: September 01, 2017, 11:00:53 AM »
Can I put Butyrate dope over epoxy fillets.  Can I put aerogloss colored dope over epoxy fillets?
 ???  I was given a large amount of Aerogloss dope and I have my first built up plane sin silkspan and ready for colored dope but need to add fillets around the wings.  I dont want to mess this up.  It has been a learning experience as I started this plane almost 8 years ago when I barely had a clue about how to build.  I am getting better but I am in the same boat now with learning how to finish. 
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Re: Can I put butyrate dope over epoxy fillets?
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2017, 02:09:08 PM »
If you take acetone and clean the epoxy after it has cured.  Then give it a light sanding.  Go light with the dope when first applying it even after you have several coats keep it light.    Take a little time and browse this section on finishing as there are many ways of doing it.   I think are several guys that are masters at this like Randy Powell and others. D>K
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Re: Can I put butyrate dope over epoxy fillets?
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2017, 04:46:53 PM »
  If you are talking about the epoxy and micro-balloons method, I have used that exclusively for years and have never had any kind of paint lift off the fillets. I think it is the microscopic surface with the micro balloon texture that really lets paint take hold. U smooth the fillet out with my finger and alcohol, and almost never sand them any. Give the bottom fo the model a test shot first if you are concerned. If you start with Aero-Gloss, stay with that all the way through. if you can. The old saying I always heard was, you can put Aero-Gloss over anything, but you can't put anything over Aero=Gloss. Or maybe I got that backwards! I mighthave just been a thinner issue back then. Good luck with the project!
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Re: Can I put butyrate dope over epoxy fillets?
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2017, 11:36:47 AM »
I have never had a problem putting butyrate over epoxy-microballoon fillets. These have always been sanded to a nice even curvature, also removing any of that surface stuff remaining on the cured epoxy. I do start by brushing clear only on edge portions first and letting it dry and do its initial shrinkage. Then I brush to fill the center. Sometimes I do this twice or three times, always letting it set and shrink. I don't know whether this is really necessary, but I wouldn't brush on a thick coat to start. Then I spray.

I have also finished fuselages, stabilizers, and elevators with .56-oz glass and epoxy and sprayed on butyrate, without primer. I had my first problem this summer, when clear butyrate laminated on a small area of my elevator. The rest of the plane - stab, fuselage - is fine. So the sanding with, say, 400 grit is recommended.

The pictures show what I did on the last model. The fourth picture is made up to show shaping. This step is really done while the masking tape is in place. The sixth one shows doping the edges first. After that I run the brush down the middle to fill in.

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Re: Can I put butyrate dope over epoxy fillets?
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2017, 08:20:53 PM »
What mix of Micro balloons to epoxy (and what type of epoxy) do you use? What kind of alcohol are you using to smooth them.

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Re: Can I put butyrate dope over epoxy fillets?
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2017, 09:01:58 AM »
Dennis-

I just use 30-minute epoxy. I add micro balloons continually, until it is difficult to get more in, not a very quantitative description, I know. A surprising amount of micro-balloon powder will be absorbed; so I continue to add it (sprinkling over the surface and stirring or folding it in as the slurry thickens), even after it appears that little more can be absorbed. The working life is limited, but has not been a problem.  The consistency is VERY viscous. I don't use alcohol. The popsicle stick tool works OK without it, and smooths to the point that everything looks like a final surface. As the pictures show, though, even an even-appearing surface shows rises and valleys upon sanding. While setting, the fillets will flatten out some. So the sanding is necessary anyway. It smooths and re-contours a bit. The more micro-balloons, the easier the sanding. The picture shows what the stuff looks like after mixing and using some. I seem always to mix too much, because the volume grows with addition of the micro-balloons.

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Re: Can I put butyrate dope over epoxy fillets?
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2017, 04:04:05 AM »
Thanks so much Serge!  I really appreciate your description and photos.  Beautiful workmanship. 


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