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Auto Clear Over India Ink
« on: June 12, 2015, 12:33:27 PM »
I have some Faber-Castell India Ink Artist pens and was thinking of using them for panel lines.  Using auto base coat/clear coat.  Do I have to put a sealer over the ink lines before I put on the clear?

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Re: Auto Clear Over India Ink
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2015, 01:24:36 PM »
It might depend on the clear coat.  With acrylic lacquer I've just used the clear coat, although I think I gave the lines (and for sure the decals) a toot or two before the final clear coats of the whole plane.  For polyurethane car paint, Mark Scarborough put me onto PPG DBC500, an uncatalyzed basecoat clear.  He said to spray it over decals just like dope: a light coat first, then maybe a slightly heavier coat.  I think I used it over ink lines, too.  Mark can give you the lowdown. 
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Re: Auto Clear Over India Ink
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2015, 01:26:25 PM »
Disclaimer: I haven't tried it over the Pitt ink.  I do have a Pitt pen.  I found it on the flying field, curiously.
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Re: Auto Clear Over India Ink
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2015, 05:17:32 PM »
as Howard says,, DBC 500 is a basecoat clear and is fairly nuetral solvent and chemical wise,, so thats what I would use to stabilize the ink lines prior to commiting to catalyzed clear.
That said,, do a test panel! H^^
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Re: Auto Clear Over India Ink
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2015, 06:59:02 PM »
Thanks.  No time for a test panel.  Have a firm date for the project completion date.  I'll leave them off for this one and try a test panel when I get the time for the next one.
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Re: Auto Clear Over India Ink
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2015, 03:05:23 PM »

 Is that DCB500 fuel proof?  Thanks
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Re: Auto Clear Over India Ink
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2015, 04:20:21 PM »
I'm pretty sure it's not.  It's a base coat that counts on the clear coat to protect it. 
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Re: Auto Clear Over India Ink
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2015, 10:52:12 AM »


   10-4 Howard, thanks a lot.. See you at F 2 B trials..
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Re: Auto Clear Over India Ink
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2015, 01:24:05 PM »
I have sprayed the Nason two part over india ink lines, an also over Sharpie lines, with no negative results.  I do a dusting first, wait 5 minutes, then spray normal.  I still recommend a test panel, no matter what the materials.
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Re: Auto Clear Over India Ink
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2015, 04:54:45 PM »
I have sprayed the Nason two part over india ink lines, an also over Sharpie lines, with no negative results.  I do a dusting first, wait 5 minutes, then spray normal.  I still recommend a test panel, no matter what the materials.

     Have you used the Nason to any great extent? I've looked at it at a local auto paint supply store and some auto parts stores carry it in quarts. Price is reasonable and if I remember correctly, once you add catalyst it's ready to spray. Clean up of the gun can be donwe with cheap lacquer thinner? This all hold up as true with you Will? I hope to get to a point where I will actually be able to use it soon!
  After talking with the guy at the store, I think a couple of thin coats over dope on the entire model, then a few more on the nose section, should be good for an average stunt model.
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Re: Auto Clear Over India Ink
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2015, 07:46:10 PM »
Yes Dan, I've probably sprayed a total of two gallons of the stuff.  However, the majority of that has been on my custom guitars and basses.  But I have used it on five stunt ships so far with no bad experiences.  It is ready to spray as soon as it's mixed.  Watch it on verticle surfaces as it's quite easy to overshoot it and get runs.  and man alive, is it ever fun to sand out a run of this stuff if it sets for a couple of days.   mw~ LL~
I have sprayed my colors on those five ships using Krylon, and let the Nason be the fuel proofer.  My current number one ship has close to fifteen gallons through the 75 in it and there have been no problems as far as fuel proofing.  The previous ship put over a thousand flights in with the same results.
To say I love the stuff is to put it mildly.  It stays flexible, also, and that's a must for both of my applications.
A hint; the catylist will draw moisture and spoil if not stored properly, and yes, you can ask me how I know this!  I now make sure I tighten the cap securely and then seal the can in a freezer bag for storage.
a word of caution, and I'm sure you already know this; wear a good mask and have excellent air circulation.  The term "death paint" probably isn't too far from accurate.  But...if you always take care to spray the proper direction as far as the exhaust fans, there shouldn't be a problem.  Shucks, there's nothing wrong with me...me...me...me n~ n~ n~ n~
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