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Rustoleum tests
« on: August 18, 2012, 04:56:26 PM »
I've used nothing but dope from the beginning with the exception of a couple machines I put a Dupont Imron top coat on in the early 80's when it was the rage.  I wanted to look at some new ideas but don't have and couldn't use expensive spray equipment for 'Death Paint' in my apartment building.  I have read of some using rustoleum in rattle cans but hadn't seen anything about how fuel proof it might be. I bought 6-7 cans including primer and two types of clear they offer.  The paint specialist at work told me these enamels are lighter than laquer too.  I took an old retired airplane with a Sig dope finish and sprayed stripes of each can dowm the wings.  No problems on top of the dope-good because I still wanted to use the dope for wood prep and covering. I then cross-painted over this with the clear.  Now I spattered my 15 percent fuel on the paint and waited 20 minutes.  It was cleaned off with rubbing alcohol.  Everwhere fuel had been the paint was etched and NO gloss remained.  I also tried clear dope OVER the Rustoleum and got bad alligator right away.  Could try urethane top coat but why?  Going back to dope.  Now the devil question;  if YOU were appearance judging and you had three beautiful airplanes before you,  one Monocote, one Death Paint, and one with the hand-polished dope how would you score them (effort mean anything?)

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Re: Rustoleum tests
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2012, 06:20:44 PM »
Did you let it dry? Geeesh!  HB~>

It takes about two weeks for Rust-Oleum Gloss Protective Enamel to fully cure to fuel proof status. Not all Rust-Oleum is fuel proof either. The models I've painted had no issues except around the metal tank nipples. The trick is to get a light, uniform coat.
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Re: Rustoleum tests
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2012, 06:36:28 PM »
I have heard that Rustoleum metallics and clear are NOT fuel proof, but have never tried them.  I have used non-metallics and they are fuel proof.
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Re: Rustoleum tests
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2012, 06:51:55 PM »
Thanks Guys.  I didn't use the metallics and no, I didn't let it cure two weeks-more like two days but what it tells me is that when hard enough it may be fuel resistant but not fuel proof.  I can easily fly 40 flights or two gallons a week.  My cowls can be drenched for hours. I need fuel proof.
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Re: Rustoleum tests
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2012, 07:38:42 PM »
Dave,

I've used Rustoleum for over twenty years and never had a problem.  But, as stated above, I let it cure for at least two weeks and never clear coat.  I'm pretty sure the only complete fuel proofing you're going to find is with catalized auto paint.  My auto paint expert tells me is nothing in a spray can that he knows of that's fully fuel proof.  Only varying degrees of fuel resistant, of which Rustoleum is high on the list.

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Re: Rustoleum tests
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2012, 07:58:35 AM »
Dave, here I am a neighbor almost.   Yes Rustoleum is fuel proof if you let it cure.   Depending on the weather it may take more than two weeks.   Don't let raw fuel set on the surface for any length of time.   I myself have had not problems with 10% nitro fuel, even raw fuel if wiped off asap.  My carrier plane has had raw fuel on it until the flight is done and no problems on it.
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Re: Rustoleum tests
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2012, 08:30:10 AM »
Well I think I'm going to stick with the dope anyway.  Actually there are only two ways I know of to get a Nats level finish.  One is the hand rubbed dope and the other is the sprayed on auto clears (death paint) which I can't really use so my choice was already set for me.  I was hoping simular results were possible via the rattle can.  My gripe with the dope was shrink/warpage, and sometimes availiability of Sig Litecote.  Just started using Certified non-tautening.  I think that wii solve my issues.  Rub-outs?  Got all winter on my butt anyway.

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Re: Rustoleum tests
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2012, 11:48:37 AM »
Dave,
The other option to test is LustreKote clear over dope or Rustoleum. I have used it over LustreKote color and it seems to hold up to 15% nitro without a problem. It can get heavy if you lay it on to thick. The instructions say to spray a light dust coat then go back and add the finish coat. It seems to tolerate up to about 75% humidity without blushing. It also seems to have a UV block that reduces color change (not a problem with dope, but if you use LustreKote red it will turn black if not coated good with the clear). You do need to let it cure out a week or so but it can be rubber also for that super high gloss (like dope, you need to let it really cure about a month before rubbing).

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« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2012, 12:25:18 PM »
Thanks Dennis.  I've not tried that.  I will.
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Re: Rustoleum tests
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2012, 02:39:54 PM »
  Now the devil question;  if YOU were appearance judging and you had three beautiful airplanes before you,  one Monocote, one Death Paint, and one with the hand-polished dope how would you score them (effort mean anything?)

    If they looked the same, I would think that they get the same score. Even though, as you note, it's a lot harder to get a Monokote finish to looks as good as the others.

   BTW, every car clear is not isocyanate "death paint"

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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2012, 07:34:26 AM »
 So, SOMEBODY went missing this year....Oh hey Brett!....bites both ways-a few years ago I built a semi-scale zero.  I finished it in all-black dope with red trim.  At it's only contest (we took home the hardware but fried the PA in it) I noticed a friend massaging the airplane.  When asked he said he was looking for the seams in my Monocote.  Two others did the same thing that day.  I always wondered if the judges judged it to be Monocote.  Anyway, hope you are building a new one for next year. I'm refinishing two and will build two more take-apart versions.  See you in Muncie (twice) in '13.

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Re: Rustoleum tests
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2012, 09:31:03 AM »
Well I think I'm going to stick with the dope anyway.  Actually there are only two ways I know of to get a Nats level finish.  One is the hand rubbed dope and the other is the sprayed on auto clears (death paint) which I can't really use so my choice was already set for me.  I was hoping simular results were possible via the rattle can.  My gripe with the dope was shrink/warpage, and sometimes availiability of Sig Litecote.  Just started using Certified non-tautening.  I think that wii solve my issues.  Rub-outs?  Got all winter on my butt anyway.

If I recall my Paint 101 correctly from what my dad told me when his shop still did auto customizing, enamel (Rustoleum) gives a better finish out of the spray gun than lacquer (dope), but its softer than lacquer which means that it won't take rubbing out like lacquer will.  Back when the only two paint types available were enamel and laquer, enamel was viewed as the quick cheap fix, while lacquer was the only way to go if you wanted to win best of paint at a show.

If you're aiming for a nice quick finish with the flexibility of trim offered by paint, and if you don't mind the prospect of waiting for two weeks after any repair* before being able to fly the plane, then Rustoleum is a pretty good deal.  If you want to get top appearance points, then leave it on the shelf.

Ditto, for that matter, with rattle can vs. spray gun: the last model I built I painted with Rustoleum that I sprayed on using a gun, and I was able to achieve a much better finish using the gun than trying to make a rattle-can behave.

* This is exaggerating -- Rustoleum does OK with exhaust slime after it's cooled -- it's really fresh fuel that needs the waiting period.
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Re: Rustoleum tests
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2012, 09:55:36 AM »
Thanks Tim.  I think there IS a use and place for the stuff here-just not on my airplanes.   In my crashing-a-bunch days, to save money.....It's about the final quality of the finish, simply not competitive as a spray and go.  It would have to be rubbed out and as you say just not hard enough for that even if I felt it were fuel proof.

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Re: Rustoleum tests
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2012, 04:23:16 PM »
Guys,
Anyone do auto clear (death paint or not) over the Rustoleum color? I like using the Rustoleum as the base but want a top coat the is totally fuel proof and oil proof.

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Re: Rustoleum tests
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2012, 09:28:21 PM »

".... I wanted to look at some new ideas but don't have and couldn't use expensive spray equipment for 'Death Paint' in my apartment building....Going back to dope."  --Dave Trible

Dave,
You can get away with dope fumes in your apartment building?  I sure can't in my condo.
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Re: Rustoleum tests
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2012, 04:21:01 PM »
A friend has made a sample of Clear lusterkote over Painters' Choice (The cheaper paint from Rust-o-leum) and it caused no problems.  I asked him to try rubbing down masking tape and pulling it off to test for adhesion, but haven't heard back yet on that.
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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2012, 09:33:00 PM »
Mike Jones is the guy who did the test, and he says that the combo passed the masking tapr pull test just fine!  y1
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Re: Rustoleum tests
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2012, 07:49:19 PM »
".... I wanted to look at some new ideas but don't have and couldn't use expensive spray equipment for 'Death Paint' in my apartment building....Going back to dope."  --Dave Trible

Dave,
You can get away with dope fumes in your apartment building?  I sure can't in my condo.
Well Kim,  I'm lucky to have a balcony door on the south side and a window fan in the north side shop room window so I can blow it out.  Only once did anyone complain when I forgot the fan one day and opened the front door a few times doing laundry.  Also with my crazy work schedule I can do most of it during the day when most are gone to work.  Also time running my power equipment during those times.  Life in the city.......
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