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Online James Mills

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Monocote
« on: May 25, 2010, 06:46:26 PM »
Last weekend we tried covering a wing with Monocote and could not get the stuff to shrink.  Have any of you guys had this problem?

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Re: Monocote
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2010, 07:23:28 PM »
Do you mean "not at all" or just "not completely?" MonoKote is a high-temp film that does require high heat to shrink and set. What kind of heat source are you using and how are you applying it? I have used MonoKote since about 1978 and never had an instance of "no shrinking at all," though sometimes I have not been able to eliminate all wrinkles. Maybe someone like Bob Branch will join in here; see his plastic film thread in Amp'd Up late last year detailing the T-Rex. A must-read for anyone who is not already an ace MonoKote-er.

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Re: Monocote
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2010, 08:02:27 PM »
There have been many complaints  voiced to Hobbico about a suspected adhesive change. (EPA driven ??)They deny any product change. Blisters and shrinkage issues are in abundance with the newer stock.  Generally across the board , but some  range of acceptability among  some colors. It has been  widely talked about on the R/C Pattern threads. The consensus there is that it ain't as good as the old stock.

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Re: Monocote
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2010, 08:51:18 PM »
Thanks, there are a lot of wrinkles.  I had a friend helping me who has been using iron on finishes since the 70's with good results.  We used both an iron and heat gun (basically as much heat as we could get).  I am thinking about stripping it and trying ultracote.

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Re: Monocote
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2010, 09:23:46 PM »
I forgot to add to my comment above, "And after using Ultracote on several  models in the last few years I will never use MonoKote again. Ultracote is superior from just about every perspective, including ease of use as a low-temp or multi-temp coating." My actual MonoKote stock is at least 5 years old and works fine, but even so the Ultracote works even better. I am aware of the reported problems with MonoKote but figured it was a bad run and later runs would be okay. Apparently not.

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Re: Monocote
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2010, 07:14:16 AM »
I agree with everything that you have said about Ultracote. It is more user friendly. IMO, it has changed ,too. Dark colors and reds wrinkle after only a few minutes in the sun.
Again, there are signs of an adhesive change. Oracote or Ultracote(as we know it), is made in Germany and the old stuff stayed put after it was layed down.

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Re: Monocote
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2010, 07:58:52 AM »
It is absolutely true that Monokote has changed their product due to EPA requirements.  There is a lot of discussion on the R/C forums about this including date of the change.  I used some of the new Monokote a couple of years ago and did not know of the issues.  I could not believe how difficult it was to use.  And I had been using it for over 30 years.  Then I stumbled on to the threads in the R/C forums and I realized what the problem was.  The R/C community has almost stopped using Monokote completely.  I think Monokote's days are numbered, as it should be, because it is almost impossible to use anymore.  Too bad, I always loved the stuff.  By the way, Coverite has had the same issues due to the EPA.  That was also a great product, but now it's very difficult to get it to adhere without large applications of Balsarite, Stix-it, etc. 

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Re: Monocote
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2010, 09:19:13 AM »
I have not noticed the change in Monokote.  I usually put it on as tight as I can pull it.  Then shrink with the hot gun.  I have had a wrinkle or two that would not shrink out.  If the iron is not hot enough to almost burn a hole, it is not hot enough. H^^
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Re: Monocote
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2010, 11:10:22 AM »
I started a thread on this over on RC Groups.  After covering with some newly purcahsed Monokote and some old stuff I had around, the new stuff does not shrink as well.  ANd it requires more heat to get it to shrink at all.

I have to try some Ultracote.
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Re: Monocote
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2010, 09:49:53 PM »
I agree the new Monokote is sadly lacking. I have been using it since 1967 and it has gone down hill. Like other I have a fair stash of old Monokote and didn't have any problems but I recently did a new model and used a few new rolls of Cream Monokote. It is hard to adhere and while I didn't have problems shrinking it i did have the first ever burn through that I can ever remember getting with this product. It dosn't handle curvature as well as the older stuff and keeping it adhered to the model is a problem that I never had before.
I'd like to believe that it was the EPA but I'm suspicious enough to believe that if you cheapen the product and keep the same price you make a profit in a tough climate. I'm sure that we are going to get a lot of that in the coming years.
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Re: Monocote
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2010, 09:13:03 AM »
Some thing I forgot to mention, is that I usually clean the surface of the monokote that is going to another layer on top of it.  Hardware can of alcohol in gallon cans is what I use.   H^^
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