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Title: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Dennis Toth on June 10, 2017, 06:19:54 AM
Guys,
It's a dreary day here in SE Florida so I though I would start a fun thread a engines. Here's the question: What engine that you have or had or wanted to have "looks" the best?

For me the Mark II Drone Diesel has the "look". I have two of them and have flown it in a Guided Whistle. The Drone has a look of power and the tapered case gives it a chiseled look.

What's you favorite?

Best,    DennisT
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Post by: Lauri Malila on June 10, 2017, 06:34:36 AM
:)
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Post by: Allan Perret on June 10, 2017, 06:54:07 AM
:)
Is that case a casting ?  Very intricate..
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Post by: Avaiojet on June 10, 2017, 07:23:21 AM
Dennis,

This will be a great Thread.

The Novarossi Rex R57CR 3D Aircraft Engine.

Pulls 85 ounces straight up, and up, and up.

Although this is an R/C engine, Novarossi also make competition CL engines.

CB

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Post by: Gerald Arana on June 10, 2017, 08:02:42 AM
AFAIC, any BSE Jett.....

Jerry
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Post by: Lauri Malila on June 10, 2017, 08:14:31 AM
Is that case a casting ?  Very intricate..

No, barstock. L
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Post by: Allan Perret on June 10, 2017, 09:49:57 AM
No, barstock. L
Any intention to market this engine ?
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Post by: Lauri Malila on June 10, 2017, 10:38:02 AM
Any intention to market this engine ?


Not yet, the world is not ready for it.
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Post by: Bob Heywood on June 10, 2017, 10:44:03 AM
McCoy -60- Racing Engine
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Post by: Jim Kraft on June 10, 2017, 10:46:05 AM
I like a lot of them, but the top three are the Super Cyclone, the Anderson Spitfire, and the Orwick 64.
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Post by: Terrence Durrill on June 10, 2017, 11:17:54 AM


      That's easy ....... it's the FOX .35 STUNT (all vintages)......THE TRUE CLASSIC !    D>K     H^^
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Post by: jfv on June 10, 2017, 11:27:39 AM
Dooling 61.  Still have one.
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Post by: Fredvon4 on June 10, 2017, 11:28:10 AM
While I do love the looks of the Drone above...My favorite for two...OK... 3 reasons... Looks, technology, and raw RPM potential

Baldwin Shuriken's are reported to run easy 40,000 RPM and can be pushed to 50,000 RPM and look good doing it

Sold when made in the $250+ range now easily commanding over $800 used

No Virginia I do not have one and never will
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Post by: Tim Wescott on June 10, 2017, 11:52:48 AM
I would say that if it runs, it is beautiful, but I even like the looks of the GHQ.
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Post by: Randy Cuberly on June 10, 2017, 12:11:56 PM
My Belko Long Shaft Stunt Engines!

56 on left and 61 on right.

Randy Cuberly

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Post by: Russell Shaffer on June 10, 2017, 12:16:04 PM
OK twin stack .29.
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Post by: Dave_Trible on June 10, 2017, 12:37:23 PM
I am partial to my Zeus .61,  now converted for Stunt.

Dave

Added photos
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Post by: Elwyn Aud on June 10, 2017, 02:01:04 PM
The Cave Cobra is a beautiful motor. Primarily intended for tether cars if I'm remembering correctly.
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Post by: Matt Brown on June 10, 2017, 03:12:53 PM
I have two favorites. Even long before I started flying fai combat back in the '80's I thought the Cox Conquest was an awesome looking engine. I've since used and abused many of them until fai combat cut the nitro back. I was unable to get them competitive with the Nelsons at the time.
My other favorite is the OS wankel rotary. Never have had one and have heard they were rather wimpy but I still think they're pretty cool.


Matt
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Post by: bill bischoff on June 10, 2017, 04:31:29 PM
mk II Rossi 15
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Post by: Garf on June 10, 2017, 06:02:09 PM
The Cave Cobra is a beautiful motor. Primarily intended for tether cars if I'm remembering correctly.
This one?
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Post by: Garf on June 10, 2017, 06:08:00 PM
McCoy -60- Racing Engine
The black case model had better metal.
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Post by: Garf on June 10, 2017, 06:16:17 PM
McCoy .29 sportsman with 45* RR.
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Post by: Dennis Adamisin on June 10, 2017, 08:36:55 PM
Not counting Lauri's fabulous work, my other favorites are:

* K&B 15 Series 61 rear intake: Perfect proportions, ultra clean design

*Dooling 29.  That bubbled bypass has a purposeful take no prisoners look to it

* Edco Sky Devil:  Look-up "bad ass", chances are there is a picture of Ira Hassad's masterpiece...
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Post by: Juan Valentin on June 10, 2017, 08:58:50 PM
         
                    My favorite looking are Red Heads.
                                                                                Juan
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Post by: RknRusty on June 10, 2017, 09:03:35 PM
I'm with Matt Brown, I like the Cox Conquest. I have one with a C/L venturi that I've yet to use.
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Post by: FLOYD CARTER on June 10, 2017, 09:41:40 PM
Jim already nominated the Orwick 64.  I thought I would add my vote.  The Orwick features a nice green crankcase and polished aluminum parts.  Some of the green Orwicks were hammertone green, smooth green, or "wrinkle" green.  The originals were either made by Henry Orwick, or factory-built by Al Cunningham.   Recent replicas were by Joe Klause, Dunham, and others.  None are in production now.
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Post by: Ara Dedekian on June 10, 2017, 10:03:46 PM


         OK 29       

        The glow version had a yellow anodized ovoid sleeve over the shaft where the points were. Too pretty to use!

        Ara
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Post by: Gary Dowler on June 10, 2017, 10:39:52 PM
I always thought the Cox TeeDee .049/.051 engines had a great look to them.
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Post by: Brett Buck on June 11, 2017, 12:32:26 AM
I always thought the Cox TeeDee .049/.051 engines had a great look to them.

  I agree with you, I was going to mention the same thing. It just looks "right" and rather jewel-like. Compared to most other engines of the era, it's like a diamond in a pile of gravel.

    Another good candidate is the Supertigre G20/15 - conventional put the proportions look just right, and the fit/finish are outstanding. Again, set it down next to the Fox 15 slantplug (and you can throw the G20/15 much further...). Compare it to the G21/46 of the same era, which has good fit and finish, looks exactly like what it is - a 46 stuffed into a 29 case.

     Brett
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Post by: Bill Mohrbacher on June 11, 2017, 04:31:21 AM
Claude Slate Fox .59 Longshaft,  the first Fox
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Post by: Garf on June 11, 2017, 08:27:05 AM
There was the prototype, the .49.
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Post by: Garf on June 11, 2017, 08:35:49 AM
      Another good candidate is the Supertigre G20/15 - conventional put the proportions look just right, and the fit/finish are outstanding. Again, set it down next to the Fox 15 slantplug (and you can throw the G20/15 much further...). Compare it to the G21/46 of the same era, which has good fit and finish, looks exactly like what it is - a 46 stuffed into a 29 case.

     Brett
Most people don't know that the engine we know as the g 20 is the latest in a long series of G 20's. 
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Post by: FLOYD CARTER on June 11, 2017, 11:31:40 AM
I once owned a Super Tigre G-19, dating from  1949.  It was supposed to be the first ST.  It was a .29 glo.  Crankcase was sand cast.  Exhaust on both sides.  A few years back, one sold on e-bay for over $1000.
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Post by: Dwayne on June 11, 2017, 02:25:54 PM
Cipolla combat special
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Post by: Martin Quartim on June 11, 2017, 05:06:37 PM
The Enya 61CXL



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Post by: Dennis Toth on June 11, 2017, 05:48:48 PM
Along with the Drone Diesel BB 29 there was a prototype Drone BB 49. This was produced near the end to the Drone era. Leon Shulman was the designer and manufacture of the Drones in Elizabeth, NJ. There were only two of these 49 engines made. One was suppose to have been flown by Harold DeBolt some time around 1949 - 1950. Leon had the other one. Don't know where they are now. Since the 29 would turn 12" props the 49 must have swung telephone poles. Lots of bad ass torque!!!!!!!

Best,   DennisT
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Post by: Garf on June 11, 2017, 05:57:18 PM
I once owned a Super Tigre G-19, dating from  1949.  It was supposed to be the first ST.  It was a .29 glo.  Crankcase was sand cast.  Exhaust on both sides.  A few years back, one sold on e-bay for over $1000.
This one?
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Post by: Dennis Saydak on June 11, 2017, 07:05:36 PM
This one just exudes testosterone for me ... to think I used to hang on to them  <=

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Post by: wwwarbird on June 11, 2017, 08:11:55 PM

 These are kinda neat...

 
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Post by: wwwarbird on June 11, 2017, 08:17:15 PM
These are kinda neat...

 

 ...but nothing tops this...
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Post by: Norm Furutani on June 11, 2017, 08:54:39 PM
Three personal favorites

SuperTigre G15, David Andersen 1cc and an Oliver Tiger IIImod. 1/2A fav would be a Holland Hornet

Norm
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Post by: Avaiojet on June 12, 2017, 06:48:07 AM
Not that old of an engine, introduced in 1966 I believe, is the OS Max 80H.

Designed for models in the 12lb to 14lb range. All Reviews and comments were favorable.

Popular with the scale guys because the engine's design allowed for placement of a scale rotary engine without trimming around a forward carburetor.

The OS Max 80H can also swing a 15x4 prop easily. Great for large cowling models like my Gee Bee Z.

CB
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Post by: Randy Powell on June 12, 2017, 02:40:41 PM
Always liked the RCV
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Post by: Avaiojet on June 12, 2017, 03:12:40 PM
The Enya .35 Classis Red Head LTD 5224 Engine.

I don't know how many of this new edition were produced?

CB

Yes, I would sell it.
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Post by: Bill Morell on June 12, 2017, 04:00:28 PM
The Ira Hassad Custom is a bitchen looking engine. Maybe Garf has a photo of one?
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Post by: Avaiojet on June 12, 2017, 05:03:16 PM
The Ira Hassad Custom is a bitchen looking engine. Maybe Garf has a photo of one?


Ohhhhhhhh My Gosh!

https://www.google.com/search?q=Hassad+Custom+model+airplane+engine&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiY5_Kmu7nUAhWD7SYKHUVEAwUQ_AUIBygC&biw=1308&bih=554
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Post by: Jim Roselle on June 12, 2017, 05:53:25 PM
I'm partial to the COX space hopper.

(http://i.imgur.com/3xAeiFS.jpg)
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Post by: Jim Kraft on June 12, 2017, 06:26:27 PM
Not control line stunt, but still a lot of cool factor. I bought one of these in 79 and has many hours on it and still runs perfectly. No great power house but swing 14x6 props with ease.
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Post by: RknRusty on June 13, 2017, 08:36:55 PM
On the same note as Jim's Space Hopper, here's another nice Cox, the Olympic .15.

This reed valve engine was designed by Dale Kirn for use in FAI competition.
It has two ball bearings and power output was about 215 W @ 16,500 rpm with 20% nitromethane.
(http://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/images/cox_olympic_15.jpg)
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Post by: GERALD WIMMER on June 14, 2017, 05:17:23 AM
Gotta be the Fox Hawk 60. Goes really well with a 13x6 tons of power and good looks.
The Old (rough) Hawk is on a equally rough 25 year old public display model set up for 'mock' combat. It still flew a nice F2b pattern when not pulling a streamer in 60 size combat!
Gerald
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Post by: FLOYD CARTER on June 14, 2017, 09:19:15 AM
How can anyone not admire the RO JETT 61 BSE?  The engine is hogged out of a single block of aluminum, and reminds us of what a CNC machine can do.  Other than the mis-matched cylinder head, this engine is too pretty to put into a plane.
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Post by: Randy Cuberly on June 14, 2017, 09:51:20 AM
How can anyone not admire the RO JETT 61 BSE?  The engine is hogged out of a single block of aluminum, and reminds us of what a CNC machine can do.  Other than the mis-matched cylinder head, this engine is too pretty to put into a plane.

I have to agree with Floyd on this engine...I have six of them of various sizes.  I would also mention that they function incredibly well!

Randy Cuberly
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Post by: Garf on June 14, 2017, 01:34:59 PM
The Ira Hassad Custom is a bitchen looking engine. Maybe Garf has a photo of one?

I only have pics of 2 models, and not good ones at that.
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Post by: Garf on June 14, 2017, 01:43:04 PM
I like this one. Cox 35.
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Post by: Garf on June 14, 2017, 01:45:01 PM
This is good too. Cox 40.
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Post by: Garf on June 14, 2017, 01:56:20 PM
More favorites for looks.

Campus .29
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Post by: Garf on June 14, 2017, 02:00:01 PM
More yet.
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Post by: Garf on June 14, 2017, 02:03:51 PM
And then theres this one. OK Cub .29.
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Post by: Larry Fernandez on June 14, 2017, 03:11:33 PM
Here is my favorite looking engine.
Sorry, I just had to go there  ;D

Larry Buttafucco Stunt Team
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Post by: Randy Cuberly on June 14, 2017, 03:22:23 PM
Here is my favorite looking engine.
Sorry, I just had to go there  ;D

Larry Buttafucco Stunt Team

Wow Larry!  That's so gorgeous you're forgiven for putting it here.  Is it actually going to be a runner or just for looking at?

Randy Cuberly
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Post by: Larry Fernandez on June 14, 2017, 03:35:22 PM
Wow Larry!  That's so gorgeous you're forgiven for putting it here.  Is it actually going to be a runner or just for looking at?

Randy Cuberly

Its going in my el Camino.

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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Post by: Steve Helmick on June 15, 2017, 12:03:41 PM
Of the (model airplane) engines I've owned, the early (pre-Johnson) Holland Hornet, the ST G.15, and the Rossi .15 are my favorites in the looks department.  y1 Steve
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Post by: Gerald Arana on June 15, 2017, 12:56:59 PM
Here is my favorite looking engine.
Sorry, I just had to go there  ;D

Larry Buttafucco Stunt Team



Wow Larry! That must be a reallllly biiiig Ringmaster you're building!  LL~ LL~ LL~

Jerry
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Post by: Serge_Krauss on June 15, 2017, 02:20:00 PM
I'm with Denny, Jim, and Rusty. My two: Dooling .29 and Olympic .15. Whenever we'd drive over to Chicago from Elkhart, I would find time to walk up to the mezzanine (Edit: at the Fair Store) and view that new-in-box Dooling .29. I felt like Ralphie in "A Christmas Story." Of course, the Dooling .29 had gone up to $21+ by that time.
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Post by: Garf on June 22, 2017, 08:56:02 AM
Tono 3.5cc
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Post by: Gordan Delaney on June 22, 2017, 09:11:08 AM
Here is my favorite looking engine.
Sorry, I just had to go there  ;D

Larry Buttafucco Stunt Team
     

Larry, I`m with you. You posted the best looking of all time.

Gordy
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Post by: Bob Heywood on June 22, 2017, 11:23:54 AM
"Vote early...Vote often..."

K&B .65 s/n AAC002. Never run...

Harley-Davidson XR-750... (Mine's not this clean...)
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Post by: Jim Kraft on June 22, 2017, 12:50:21 PM
Well then, there is this one in black and chrome. 99 EVO powered Softail Cusom.
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Post by: Bob Heywood on June 22, 2017, 03:48:55 PM
Well then, there is this one in black and chrome. 99 EVO powered Softail Cusom.

Nice...!
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Post by: Robert Zambelli on June 22, 2017, 04:55:06 PM
The first one - maybe not very pretty but definitely unique!

The second one - my all-time personal favorite! Photo taken just after I did a major rebuild.

Bob Z.
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Post by: Jim Kraft on June 22, 2017, 06:23:46 PM
Hey Bob Heywood, How many XR750's are there left still running. Seems to me they are pretty scarce. Really cool you have one. I have always drooled over them. They always just looked like an extreme amount of fun. I did have an 84 Iron Head Sporty XLH for 23 years, it now belongs to one of my grandsons.
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Post by: Bob Heywood on June 23, 2017, 07:04:53 AM
Hey Bob Heywood, How many XR750's are there left still running. Seems to me they are pretty scarce. Really cool you have one. I have always drooled over them. They always just looked like an extreme amount of fun. I did have an 84 Iron Head Sporty XLH for 23 years, it now belongs to one of my grandsons.

The XR750 is all but gone from the Grand National scene. Maybe one or two teams still try to use them. Way too costly to run and they can't compete. The Kaw works too well and the special race engine Indian is really fast. I don't know a number, but there are quite a few in collections and in the back of race shops. Plus, who knows how many engines are in boxes, sort of like our model engines.
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Post by: Bill Mohrbacher on June 23, 2017, 08:48:21 AM
I do like long nose engines.  Besides the original Fox 59, the first HP 61 and the BVM 91 Ducted Fan, actually made by Henry Nelson, are a couple more of my favorites
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Post by: Randy Cuberly on June 23, 2017, 12:01:51 PM
"Vote early...Vote often..."

K&B .65 s/n AAC002. Never run...

Harley-Davidson XR-750... (Mine's not this clean...)

1979 was the last time I rode an XR..Sweet engine response although my Yamaha 750 Hansen Framed Bikes handled a little better on most tracks.  Would probably have liked the XR More if I had more time on it and could have played with the tires more to suit me.  Truly a sweet power delivery all the way up the range. 

Randy Cuberly
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Post by: Bob Heywood on June 23, 2017, 02:44:13 PM
1979 was the last time I rode an XR..Sweet engine response although my Yamaha 750 Hansen Framed Bikes handled a little better on most tracks.  Would probably have liked the XR More if I had more time on it and could have played with the tires more to suit me.  Truly a sweet power delivery all the way up the range.  

Randy Cuberly

Ex-Gary Scott. Single side shock C&J frame.

Oh yez...
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Post by: Randy Cuberly on June 23, 2017, 04:20:30 PM
Ex-Gary Scott. Single side shock C&J frame.

Oh yez...

Something to cherish!  Wish I had been able to keep something...Sponsors mostly demanded everything back!... do have a couple of old MXers that are "special".

Randy Cuberly
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Post by: Ted Fancher on June 24, 2017, 09:06:57 PM
Not counting Lauri's fabulous work, my other favorites are:

* K&B 15 Series 61 rear intake: Perfect proportions, ultra clean design

*Dooling 29.  That bubbled bypass has a purposeful take no prisoners look to it

* Edco Sky Devil:  Look-up "bad ass", chances are there is a picture of Ira Hassad's masterpiece...


The Dooling .29.  Nothing else is even close on the eye candy meter!  I've owned two over too many years and to this day don't know why I let both go somewhere else.  They deserved to be on the wall with the family photos.

Ted
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Post by: Mike Keville on June 24, 2017, 09:20:04 PM
Agreed!  (Dooling .29).  I have one, thanks to De Hill.  It's a work of art.
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Post by: Double Deuce on July 03, 2017, 04:46:42 PM
Some of you folks may recognize them. Then, again.
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Post by: Peter Nevai on July 06, 2017, 08:12:49 PM
Nothing beats some color.... I suppose I can send out the case and other parts and have them anodized, just to be different. There is debate whether the black anodized finish dissipates heat better.
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Post by: Juan Valentin on July 06, 2017, 08:41:05 PM


          Here are another pair of my favorites. MVVS 5.6.
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Post by: Garf on July 07, 2017, 08:57:17 AM
Those look like they should be a speed engine, but at 5.6 cc ???
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Post by: Juan Valentin on July 07, 2017, 11:23:23 AM
Those look like they should be a speed engine, but at 5.6 cc ???

         I think  that this engines were made after MVVS made the first run of 5.6cc engines like the one used by Josef Grabis in his Supermaster. I don`t think they are speed engines but I could be wrong. If you look at the supermaster plans I think you can see the outline of the engine with rear intake. I have not tried to run them they are as I received them from a friend who is a stunt flier.
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Post by: Randy Cuberly on July 07, 2017, 12:49:15 PM
         I think  that this engines were made after MVVS made the first run of 5.6cc engines like the one used by Josef Grabis in his Supermaster. I don`t think they are speed engines but I could be wrong. If you look at the supermaster plans I think you can see the outline of the engine with rear intake. I have not tried to run them they are as I received them from a friend who is a stunt flier.


They are definitely Stunt engines.  I saw several of them in Europe in the 60's and they all ran really well.  Perfect stunt run for the day!  Tried to buy one several times but they never seemed to be available when I had the money, which wasn't often as a poor American soldier with a family in Malta.

Randy Cuberly
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Post by: Randy Cuberly on July 07, 2017, 12:59:24 PM
Some of you folks may recognize them. Then, again.

I think one of those, a .29, broke the AMA B class record at over a hundred and 55 mph at the Dallas Nationals in 1960...Wish I could remember the names of the two guys, Shelton and Harris maybe?  The crankcases were based on McCoy's.  When it ran everyone on the Apron took note and gathered around.  It was obvious from the sound that something special was happening!

Randy Cuberly
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Post by: Bob Heywood on July 07, 2017, 01:52:22 PM
Some of you folks may recognize them. Then, again.

Wowser...!
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Post by: bob whitney on July 07, 2017, 02:57:55 PM
before the K&B's and S/T 15's couldn't wait for the latest Aeromdellers to see pictures of the 15,Moki's and MVVS.s

then there was the first OS combat,rat race 35, just looked bad sitting there
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Post by: Double Deuce on July 07, 2017, 09:56:17 PM
I think one of those, a .29, broke the AMA B class record at over a hundred and 55 mph at the Dallas Nationals in 1960...Wish I could remember the names of the two guys, Shelton and Harris maybe?  The crankcases were based on McCoy's.  When it ran everyone on the Apron took note and gathered around.  It was obvious from the sound that something special was happening!

Randy Cuberly

Let us see how to answer this. First order is that you do be wrong in your assessment in several directions. Had Burley and Boyd made these engines, I am pretty sure H & R would not be cast on them. I do have something in common with Harris and Shelton though, aside from being very good friends, we all three from Louisiana.

These are the only set of Rattlers ever made by Husted and Roy. 15, 29, and 60. The 29, in the middle, held the B record 5 times. we held the B and Proto record 9 times, 5 with this engine and 4 with a couple others.

The 15 and 60 did not fair so well. We held both records but with more or less stock engines, Torp 15R and Rossi 60.

You are correct in one count. when the 29 ran, folks did stop and look.

As an aside, Boyd and Burley did turn 155, with a Dooling 29. Not sure what year.

No offense taken, just glad someone looked.

Check the Husted obit atop the Speed page.

Luke Roy
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Post by: Randy Cuberly on July 07, 2017, 10:58:27 PM
Let us see how to answer this. First order is that you do be wrong in your assessment in several directions. Had Burley and Boyd made these engines, I am pretty sure H & R would not be cast on them. I do have something in common with Harris and Shelton though, aside from being very good friends, we all three from Louisiana.

These are the only set of Rattlers ever made by Husted and Roy. 15, 29, and 60. The 29, in the middle, held the B record 5 times. we held the B and Proto record 9 times, 5 with this engine and 4 with a couple others.

The 15 and 60 did not fair so well. We held both records but with more or less stock engines, Torp 15R and Rossi 60.

You are correct in one count. when the 29 ran, folks did stop and look.

As an aside, Boyd and Burley did turn 155, with a Dooling 29. Not sure what year.

No offense taken, just glad someone looked.

Check the Husted obit atop the Speed page.

Luke Roy

Well, I stand corrected on the origin of those engines.  They are beautiful, of course.
It was a very long time ago and I was a 19 year old kid who flew combat and rat race.  I was there, at Dallas. with a contingent from my club the KC Flying Eagles. When Shelton and Harris put up their record flight and won the Nats speed I and a lot of others, of course, went to talk with them.  I'm not altogether sure they officially set a record with that flight because I remember something about not being able to make a back up flight.  I did definitely see the engine they used and while I believe you when you say it wasn't one of those in the picture it definitely was not a Dooling 29.  I knew the Dooling's very well, I used one in a Pan Rat!  I remember being told by one of the guys (don't remember which one) that it was a hand made engine based on a McCoy 29R crankcase.  It had a spinner arrangement very much like the one on those engines in the picture.
 This was in 1959 or 1960...whichever one of those years NAS Dallas hosted the Nat's.  That winning flight really stood out because there was nothing else that was close to the speed or sound at that contest!

Randy Cuberly

Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: john e. holliday on July 08, 2017, 10:49:51 AM
1960 was a Dallas NATS(Grand Prairie NAS) and was back there again in 1964 as that was my first NATS.  Could never thank George and Dorethy Watkins making that trip available for me.  They stayed off base in a little motel while I got to spend the week on base sleeping in the barracks, eating Navy chow and meeting some of my heroes in the work hanger.   Had never seen that many model planes before in one place.
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Paul Walker on July 13, 2017, 08:47:14 PM
Now here's a real great looking motor!
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Chris Cox on July 13, 2017, 09:52:46 PM
Now here's a real great looking motor!

Where's the "Like" button?
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Brett Buck on July 13, 2017, 10:01:39 PM
Where's the "Like" button?

  Put your finger down your throat and poke around for a while, I am sure you will find it.

    Brett
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Gerald Arana on July 14, 2017, 05:59:43 AM
  Put your finger down your throat and poke around for a while, I am sure you will find it.

    Brett




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Good one Brett!

I've come to the conclusion that everybody likes something different, just like their taste in women! Different shapes, colors and sizes fits all!  n~

Cheers everybody, Jerry

Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: FLOYD CARTER on July 14, 2017, 01:57:37 PM
The Arden engines have a "machined" look, in contrast to others which look as if they just come out of the foundry mold.  The smooth, uncluttered look, with many thin steel cylinder fins remind us of careful machining.  The Ardens never became popular for C/L stunt;  Their small displacements of 0.099 and 0.199 were more suited for free flight use.  If Ray Arden had produced a 0.49=size, I think the C/L people would have used them.
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Garf on July 14, 2017, 02:50:57 PM
Now here's a real great looking motor!
Talk about vommitt inducing.
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Larry Fernandez on July 14, 2017, 06:18:01 PM
  Put your finger down your throat and poke around for a while, I am sure you will find it.

    Brett

There you have it ladies and gentlemen.
Its comments such as this, that has elevated Mr. Buck into the top slot as the "Biggest Smartass in Stunt".

Well done Brett, but remember, its one thing getting there but its not so easy staying there.

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Chris Cox on July 14, 2017, 06:52:43 PM
  Put your finger down your throat and poke around for a while, I am sure you will find it.

    Brett

Thanks Brett, I feel much better now!
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Fred Underwood on July 14, 2017, 06:59:08 PM
Sounds like "hurl" practice.  Perhaps advice and preparation for the Fox 15 hurl.
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Brian Hampton on July 14, 2017, 07:42:39 PM
OK, here's another vote for the Dooling 29 :). I'd always lusted for one ever since I saw one in a local hobby shop window in about '57. Long story short, a 29 along with its Hende baby brother came up on ebay but I figured there was no way I could beat what I guessed they might go for. I told my daughter about it and she told me to bid as high as I liked and she'd go halves with me as a Father's Day present!
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Air Ministry . on July 14, 2017, 08:37:01 PM
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Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Air Ministry . on July 14, 2017, 08:49:49 PM
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Dennis Norman with his 1300cc double Triumph with three-litre Wade blower and 3 1/2 inch fuel injection off a Coventry Climax racing engine capable of pumping 200 gallons an hour.

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Post by: Robert Zambelli on July 14, 2017, 09:35:57 PM
ALFA 8C 2900?
Bugatti Royale?


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Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Garf on July 15, 2017, 09:09:42 AM
When did this turn into an automotive/motorcycle forum?
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Bill Mohrbacher on July 15, 2017, 10:26:29 AM
There was the prototype, the .49.
Actually the 49s with the vertical plugs and  3 or more cooling fins were more factory experimentals or individual experiments.  Keith Storey worked with them a lot.  Usually they had a .59 stroke and a smaller bore.  The first production 49, SN #1 is in the AMA museum.  Note due to its shorter stroke it has 1 less fin than the production 59s.

There were 5 .59 prototypes; #1, 4, and 5 are in the AMA Museum.  #3 was stolen and sold on Ebay.  #2 is in a safe deposit box.

And here is a letter from Dick Lyons who worked with Duke, actually machining the first two 59 protos:

Fox .59 Long Shaft Prototype
                    By Dick Lyons

In 1944 I was transferred to Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio to work
in the Equipment Lab there. In my barracks I met another G.I.
by the name of Duke Fox who was assigned to the Aircraft Lab. We
soon became aware of our mutual interest in model aircraft and
became close friends. Duke confided that when the war was over
he was going back to California and go into the model engine
business, and in fact, had already designed the engine he
hoped to manufacture. He showed me the drawings he had made for
the Long shaft .59. It was designed primarily for U-Control
speed models, hence the long shaft to facilitate cowling the
engine with the timer and needle valve located at the rear of
the engine. Duke said he was planning to build some prototypes
and had a pattern shop in town making some wood patterns so he
could have some Aluminum sand castings made to proof the design
before going into the more expensive die castings molds needed
for production when he got out of the service. He was wondering
how he was going to machine up the parts, when I suggested that
I had access to a complete machine shop in my Lab.

We began to spend evenings and week ends in the machine shop
building the prototypes. Duke did most of the machining and I
scrounged for materials and did some of the bench work. We were
in need of some cast iron for the rings but couldn't locate any
stock. We finally noticed that the spigot on one of the oil
drums was cast iron so in true scrounger fashion this spigot was
requisitioned and the rings were fabricated from this material.

Two engines were completed and were stamped with serial numbers
1 and 2. The engines, after working out a few problems with the
timers, ran exceedingly well and Duke was extremely pleased with
his first design.

In the Spring of 1946 I was discharged and returned to Illinois
with prototype S/N 2. Duke was discharged several months later
and returned to So. California where he started his own company,
eventually moving the operation to Fort Smith, Arkansas. That
story has been best told by others. We kept in contact for many
years, and when he would come to Chicago for the Hobby industry
shows, we would get together. In later years, after moving to
California I would meet him at the Nats or the I.M.S. show in
Pasadena. I do not know what happened to S/N 1, but I do know
where S/N 2 has been for the last 48 years!!

Dick Lyons
Camarillo, CA

Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Juan Valentin on July 15, 2017, 06:52:11 PM
      Another favorite of mine the Wahl  40th Anniversary Brown junior. It`s a limited edition but I don`t know how many were made.
                                                                                                       Juan
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: George Mitchell on July 17, 2017, 07:13:46 AM
Jett 40 se
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Garf on July 17, 2017, 01:09:51 PM
Shuriken .049
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Brian Hampton on July 18, 2017, 01:09:26 AM
By sheer coincidence I've just uploaded an engine test on the .050 and .061 Shurikens which gives some idea of what these little monsters are capable of!
http://sceptreflight.com/Model%20Engine%20Tests/Shuriken%20050%20&%20061.html
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Bill Mohrbacher on July 18, 2017, 05:58:37 AM
My favorite came in 3 sizes, the Slate .59, Arne Hende's .09, and Woody Bartelt's (aeroelectric) .059.
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Juan Valentin on July 18, 2017, 02:57:10 PM

            Some more faves the K&B Infants. From left to right  the K&B .049 Infant,The K&B .035 Infant,the K&B.020 Infant, The PAL K&B.020 Infant replica and a K&B .020 Infant.
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: FLOYD CARTER on July 18, 2017, 10:06:17 PM
The K&B 0.020 Infant came with a metal prop!  Probably illegal now (should be).  It had to be bent back after every landing (free flight).

Those angry-looking Fox 59 longshafts look dangerous just sitting there!  Ready to Rumble!
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Bill Mohrbacher on July 19, 2017, 05:23:46 AM
The K&B 0.020 Infant came with a metal prop!  Probably illegal now (should be).  It had to be bent back after every landing (free flight).

Those angry-looking Fox 59 longshafts look dangerous just sitting there!  Ready to Rumble!
That 59 does indeed rumble.  It is one of my loudest engines.  Several years ago I ran it at a MECA convention.  I also was running a GHQ.   The GHQ used 2:1 gas with 70 wt oil.  I didn't want to  mix up special fuel for the 59, so I just used the 2:1 and the same 13x5 wide blade Masterms Airscrew prop.  The GHQ ran around 5000 rpm on this combo.  The 59 ran 9700 rpm.  Lots of guys jumped back!  That very engine is the 11th one made.
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Jim Kraft on July 19, 2017, 09:30:41 AM
I have always loved the 59's. I have two glow, one lapped and one later ringed one. They run really well. I have flown my 68" 850 square Taurus with both of them, and they do just great. I also have a Viking with one in it. A super combo. They are unique in that they look like a model engine is supposed look according to me. LOL. A piece of art that works.
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Juan Valentin on July 19, 2017, 11:12:43 AM
The K&B 0.020 Infant came with a metal prop!  Probably illegal now (should be).  It had to be bent back after every landing (free flight).

              Yes they don`t look safe,I have them but I prefer wood or plastic props. I the instructions for the K&B.020 there are instructions and a small drawing on how to carve a 3.5 pitch prop.
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Bill Mohrbacher on July 19, 2017, 12:54:08 PM
Runner up longnoses, a 1969 HP 61 and a BVM 91 ducted Fan built by Henry Nelson
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Juan Valentin on July 21, 2017, 07:43:24 PM
          I had forgotten my all time Favorite looking engine which is the OS .40 FP/S and .35FP/S . I had a lot of fun with this engines flying stunt and doing mods on The .40FP  for more power and speed.
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Brian Hampton on July 21, 2017, 08:51:19 PM
As of yesterday I now have a new favourite looking engine, sorry little Dooling 29 :).
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Juan Valentin on July 22, 2017, 11:30:00 AM
As of yesterday I now have a new favourite looking engine, sorry little Dooling 29 :).

Excelent,beautiful Yellow Jacket mate.
                                                                                                                                       Juan
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Robert Zambelli on July 22, 2017, 06:22:32 PM
As of yesterday I now have a new favourite looking engine, sorry little Dooling 29 :).

Hi, Brian.
Have you run your Yellow Jacket yet?
Mine is new, never run. I plan to break it in soon.
75% Gasoline/ 20% Castor oil/ 4% Synthetic/1% Nitrobenzine.

Bob Z.
Title: Re: Your favorite "looking" engine?
Post by: Brian Hampton on July 23, 2017, 09:44:39 PM
Hi Robert.
Mine is brand new too but it's a Bartelt replica (Serial #B68) which is about the nearest I'll ever get to affording an original :). However there was a copy of the Dooling instruction sheet included in the box so I've scanned them in case you haven't seen them before. One thing I know is that cleanliness of fuel and intake air is essential for the needle roller bearing in the conrod. Chances are I may never run mine but who knows?