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Title: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: Robert Zambelli on June 30, 2015, 05:25:38 PM

 LiveLeak.com - A drone just hit my plane this morning

  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ac3_1435080329

  I have a feeling our dues will go up again soon.

  Bob Z.

Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: pmackenzie on June 30, 2015, 05:40:15 PM
The video is a fake, which a simple Google search would have told you (if common sense and a good dose of skepticism didn't) . :)

http://m.snopes.com/drone-strike-video/

Pat MacKenzie
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: Mike Keville on June 30, 2015, 06:46:57 PM
THIS one may be fake, but it's just a matter of time . . . . .
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: Randy Cuberly on June 30, 2015, 06:49:20 PM
The video is a fake, which a simple Google search would have told you (if common sense and a good dose of skepticism didn't) . :)

http://m.snopes.com/drone-strike-video/

Pat MacKenzie

It may very well be a fake, but why would anyone believe anything SNOPES says...  They've been caught in mistakes and outright lies many times when it suits their political purpose.

Randy Cuberly
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: JoeJust on June 30, 2015, 07:37:19 PM
If this video is real I'm thinking big trouble ahead.  If the video is simply a hoax I'm wondering why anyone would go to the trouble to produce it. What in blue blazes could be gained by this if it is a hoax.
Joe
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: Jim Kraft on June 30, 2015, 07:47:13 PM
The thing that always makes me wonder on these things is why did someone have a camera on that wing tip in the first place unless they knew something was going to happen.
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: Steve Helmick on June 30, 2015, 08:32:46 PM
I am also wondering what the motive would be. Maybe the cam was watching the winglet to set up for a fake movie, or maybe it was to watch for the effects of VG's on the wing as the plane got to lower altitude and higher probable humidity, hoping for some neat vortexes or maybe hail strikes. Who knows? There is a school of thought that this was cooked up in the dungeons of AMA, trying to get more of these pesky things owners to sign up for AMA membership....   LL~ Steve
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: Randy Cuberly on June 30, 2015, 08:36:12 PM
I am also wondering what the motive would be. Maybe the cam was watching the winglet to set up for a fake movie, or maybe it was to watch for the effects of VG's on the wing as the plane got to lower altitude and higher probable humidity, hoping for some neat vortexes or maybe hail strikes. Who knows? There is a school of thought that this was cooked up in the dungeons of AMA, trying to get more of these pesky things owners to sign up for AMA membership....   LL~ Steve


Steve, that's just silly enough to be true!!! LL~ LL~ LL~

Well, very funny anyway!  n~

Randy Cuberly
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: Steve Helmick on June 30, 2015, 08:41:04 PM
I was going to suggest that the video was made by Mike K. Evile, but he's not a techie...I don't think. Is he?  ;) Steve
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: Mike Keville on June 30, 2015, 09:00:15 PM
I was going to suggest that the video was made by Mike K. Evile, but he's not a techie...I don't think. Is he?  ;) Steve
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<chuckle>  Nope.  Far FROM it, Steve-o!  I can barely operate this email thingy.  Don't know what an "app" is....and don't really want to know.
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: mike londke on June 30, 2015, 10:48:48 PM
The video is a fake, which a simple Google search would have told you (if common sense and a good dose of skepticism didn't) . :)

http://m.snopes.com/drone-strike-video/

Pat MacKenzie
Pat is correct, Snopes usually has a good read on this stuff. That's what their whole reputation is based on. They always get it right.
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: Randy Cuberly on June 30, 2015, 10:58:46 PM
Pat is correct, Snopes usually has a good read on this stuff. That's what their whole reputation is based on. They always get it right.


PHOOEY...Keep drinking the Kool AID!

Snopes has a good read on the liberal political point of view!  That may not apply in this case (but it might) but I wouldn't trust them on anything!

Randy Cuberly
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: Tim Wescott on June 30, 2015, 11:05:20 PM

Snopes has a good read on the liberal political point of view!  That may not apply in this case (but it might) but I wouldn't trust them on anything!

If you actually looked at the Snopes page there's a video, by the guy who did the fake, showing how he did it.

And maybe, just maybe, Faux News lies a lot.
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: mike londke on June 30, 2015, 11:06:12 PM

PHOOEY...Keep drinking the Kool AID!

Snopes has a good read on the liberal political point of view!  That may not apply in this case (but it might) but I wouldn't trust them on anything!

Randy Cuberly
Randy, I for one do not drink the Kool Aid. I am not a liberal, but Snopes reporting has been very accurate on almost everything that is posted on the web. PHOOEY on you.
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: david beazley on July 01, 2015, 04:18:30 AM
The video is a fake, which a simple Google search would have told you (if common sense and a good dose of skepticism didn't) . :)

http://m.snopes.com/drone-strike-video/

Pat MacKenzie
I always wondered who "Snopes", Snopes?
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: Wayne J. Buran on July 01, 2015, 05:06:57 AM
Regardless, it did induce some panic someplace which is against the law someplace. AMA is waisting our money with any of these bozos flying R/C aircraft unlawfully.
Wayne
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: FLOYD CARTER on July 01, 2015, 09:35:42 AM
Any REAL drone strike on a commercial flight would have been covered 24/7 by CNN

F.C.
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: EddyR on July 01, 2015, 12:13:44 PM
But now gives the wrong people idea's. A new way to bring down a airliner. n1
Ed
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: Steve Thomas on July 01, 2015, 04:39:52 PM
But now gives the wrong people idea's. A new way to bring down a airliner. n1
Ed

Ed, the 'wrong people' don't need crap like this to give them ideas, they've usually had the same stupid ideas themselves long ago.  In this case, they'd have probably realised that it's a pretty dumb way to try and bring down an aircraft, with a very low probability of success.
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: Sean McEntee on July 01, 2015, 07:00:15 PM
Ed, the 'wrong people' don't need crap like this to give them ideas, they've usually had the same stupid ideas themselves long ago.  In this case, they'd have probably realised that it's a pretty dumb way to try and bring down an aircraft, with a very low probability of success.

Yeah but there is no need to give them ideas.

A few months ago a couple -16s dropped some JDAMS on an IS command post.  How did they find it?  An IS member posted a picture of himself infront of the building on facebook, and the photo was used to locate the building.  The next day DoD proudly revealed to the world how they identified the target, thereby completely neutralizing the ability to utilize social media reliably to identify terrorists.

Moral of the story:  Keep your mouth shut.
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: Robert Zambelli on July 03, 2015, 06:12:48 AM
My apologies for not posting this sooner but, as happens, life got in the way.

Guilty as stated, I did not verify the validity of the video.

I saw it as something that all modelers should be aware of regarding this new craze of drones/quadcopters/whatever.
Did this really happen? Most likely not, as people can be very creative with videos.

It is indeed, however, most thought provoking.

Could it happen?  I would say definitely yes. While the majority of the people who fly these may be quite responsible, there is a lunatic fringe bent on nothing more than creating problems – possibly very severe problems. And, as tools, they use items that can be purchased anywhere.

Case in point: how many issues have arisen with people pointing lasers at commercial aircraft? One is too many but it has happened all too often. I see the same things possibly happening with the quadcopters.

I have a close friend who, before retiring, was in charge of air traffic control at the Willow Grove NAS/JRB. He told me of multiple incidents where RC planes were involved in close encounters with full scale departing aircraft. These RC planes were flying from a closed airport around five miles from the base. A number of investigations were led by SP and local law enforcement, with visions of jail time. As far as I know, none of the perps were caught. The reports, by the way, were made by the actual Navy pilots.

The many incidents I’ve heard about and witnessed may not have involved modelers or AMA members, just troublemakers. BUT none the less, these incidents are seen as relating to model aircraft and that involves us all.

Will there ever be an incident involving quadcopters a full-scale aircraft? I think so but I hope I’m wrong.

Bob Z.
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: Chris McMillin on July 05, 2015, 01:41:41 AM
That one is fake, yeah it could happen, I've never seen one because one would probably never see it flying the airplane. I hit a flock of ducks and never saw them, my FO did but it didn't matter we took them all. They were little 3 to 4 pounders, like a drone you'd see at the R/C field and the engines ate the ducks, but they busted the radome so we returned to land. See, they're pretty small and the FAA has been trying to regulate them so when they get bigger they are not where the people carrying airplanes are.
If anyone thinks this is too rare with other types of model airplanes, it's not. Typically it's sailplanes and turbine jet models that get close to real airplanes because they're flying higher typically. I fly r/c in the LA Basin and getting close to an airliner would take some doing if flying from one of the model fields because they're not within the normal eyeball range of your typical r/c modeler. Van Nuys is close to Sepulveda and Chino is close to Prado, so they have hard 400 foot ceilings except during contests where we have an observer to call out full size traffic and we ask the tower for a waiver.
Chris...
Title: Re: Your ama dues are defending this kind of crap.
Post by: Jim Kraft on July 05, 2015, 01:15:43 PM
I use to fly the company products pipeline with the pipeline flyers. One day we saw something in the air that we could not identify. It was probably 200 to 300 feet away and the sun was flashing off of it. We turned around and went back to see what it was. It turned out to be one of those aluminized party balloons.