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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: De Hill on July 17, 2023, 01:28:55 AM
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Thanks to Joe Gilbert, I received my copy of Wynn Paul's book this afternoon. Joe brought it back from the nats for me.
The Wynn Paul history of stunt book weighs 11.2 pounds. The amount of time it had to take to assemble the information and pictures, and then collate it is staggering. The book is beautifully done. Much credit goes to wynn and the publisher.
I do know that I could never write and assemble such a book. I couldn't maintain the drive to do it.
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Still waiting on mine. D>K
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How can I thank Dave Trible enough for bringing me my set. Still recovering from pushing myself too hard yesterday. Dave just dropped of my set of the books. I can still remember the first time I seen Dave and his Dad at Crysler Ball field flying balloon bust. Yes he took a few years off with things happening. I am amazed at what he has done since he came back to flying. I also remember him asking which eevent he should concentrate on as he was flying combat and stunt. My answer was which do you enjoy more. The rest is history. Thanks for asll you do Dave. H^^
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Got my books yesterday and couldn’t be happier with them!
Thanks to Wynn for doing this labour of love and to Ken Bird for picking them up for me.
The only downside is the distraction from building time these are likely to cause.🤣
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Wynn Paul's attention to detail is great!
Stunt History volume 1 front page: Starting at 11 o'clock
Miss Shirley
Go Devil Sr.
Nobler
Genesis
Snaggletooth P-51
Ares
Volume 2 front page starting at 11 oclock
Silleto
Impact
Chinese (can't think of the name)
Thunder Gazer
Slovokia (can't remember the name)
Spitfire
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Got my set of two books today. These are really nice. Only down side for me is the Sleeve that they fit into is damaged with a smashed corner on one end and split seem along the top. Anyone that appreciates controline stunt will love these books. I say Good Job and thanks for all the effort to put these together.
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I got through the half of the first year. Amazing what guys did back in those days. The details of the people who tried to do flying craft. Can't thank Wynn and his co-horts enough for doing this book. It is interupting my devotional reading. H^^
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Just spoke to Carol at Butler books, she is shipping out to me a new sleeve for the books , awesome service.
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Taken from the Stunt History book.
The first AMA Nationals following World War 2 was held in Wichita, Kansas. It was 1946, and very windy.
R.H. Roof, a Tulsan won Stunt flying a 6 foot wingspan Taylorcraft powered by a Forster .99.
There was no modern stunt pattern in 1946, and it predated the Walker Cup.
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Where does one go to order the books?
Ken
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go to www.stunthistory.com to order your book.
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For those that didn't order the set you are missing a lot of history that was happening before I got into control line models. My brothers who were older than me by at least 10 years played with the old ignition engines and at one time had an all metal control line plane. I still have the O&R side port 60 we fired up in the basement one time. It was winter time and snow on the ground. Did get a little smokey in the basement. But, Mother learned to put up with a lot of things us boys did. `The bigest thing is seeing how many guys flew CL before going radio control. Just finished the chapter with the first Nationals in Wichita,
D>K
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OK already, I ordered one!
Ken
WOW - Ordered Sat evening, shipped Monday. I wish some other's in our hobby cound do that!
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OK already, I ordered one!
Ken
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Recently Wynn sent me an email with this photo of a 92 year old Don Still.
Tommy Fluker hand delivered the books to Don.
I think it's really neat that Mr Still can enjoy and reminisce about his time as a world class competitor.
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reminisce about his time as a world class competitor.
I really enjoyed meeting him. Very sharp even though he complained about forgetting some things. He clearly recalled the 1960 world champs, details about people and planes of the time. As he flipped through volume one, he saw a picture of him with his dad! He was very appreciative of getting the books. His wife figures that will keep him busy for a while #^
Really glad I got to be the one to deliver them - it was a great experience.
He lives about 2 hours from the Houston flying site, so I encouraged him to consider coming out for the team trials. I'll try to follow up with a letter to keep him informed.
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I am order 157. I sent Wynn a huge assortment of pics many years ago. I am sure many are included. Looking forward to reading this.
Dick Byron
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I really enjoyed meeting him. Very sharp even though he complained about forgetting some things. He clearly recalled the 1960 world champs, details about people and planes of the time. As he flipped through volume one, he saw a picture of him with his dad! He was very appreciative of getting the books. His wife figures that will keep him busy for a while #^
Really glad I got to be the one to deliver them - it was a great experience.
He lives about 2 hours from the Houston flying site, so I encouraged him to consider coming out for the team trials. I'll try to follow up with a letter to keep him
informed.
It would probably be nice if some one went and got him maybe treat him to a trip. H^^
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Super nice coffee table books!
Does anyone have any 24 lb balsa I can use to reinforce my coffee table? I set a couple of heavy items on mine recently and there was damage....
The Divot
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My flying buddy Mark Hughes generously picked up my copy at the NATS and delivered it to me. I have been pretty busy and haven't devoted too much time to Volume #1, but have gotten about 2/3 through it. I don't want to just scan through things, I want to spend the time and attention it deserves. The book has been well worth the wait. I have always liked reading Wynn's columns in Model Aviation so I kind of knew what was coming. The book is first rate from beginning to end. The printing is excellent, as good as anything else I saw in my 20 years working in that business. The pages are printed on what looks like cover stock for today's magazines that are still published!! The hardcovers are great, and photo reproduction is very good. That was one aspect I was wondering about in the coverage of the early years. Amateur photography being what it was back then left a lot to be desired but so far everything has looked great. The books are HEAVY and LARGE and that can make reading kind of tricky, but I'll manage!
One thing that came to mind is that my involvement in the event came at a pretty good time. In going through it so far, I see names and faces of people I know and have been lucky to have met. I got to live and see a lot of this history being made, and and know people that were involved with what I missed! It makes it kind of special and personal to me. One of the names I saw a lot in the early years was Fran McElwee. I had seen the name before in reading the old magazines, and if you notice his name is similar to mine. Chris McMillin talked me into going to one of the early VSC contests and helped me arrange transportation for me and my airplane. I chose a model out of Flying Models called "Ruby" by Arthur Alfiari because of it's compact size and it would fit into a box that was 1/2" under the over size luggage spec for TWA. This was where I got to meet a lot of the guys that you will see in the books. One of then was Ron Prentice, from England, who wrote for Aeromodeller magazine and whose name I was familiar with also. I talked with Mr. Prentice several times and he took some photos of "Ruby." Several months later my copy of Aeromodeller came in the mail and I noticed it had coverage of VSC listed on the cover. I flipped inside to the article and it was well covered, and even had a picture of "Ruby" in it. It had orange wings with white trim and lettering, spelling out the details of the model and my name and home town. Mr. Prentice pointed all that out in the caption, but credited the model to Fran McElwee! Well, at least my name was legible on the wing!!
I have lots of great memories of my time in this event and I think many more will get triggered before I make it through both volumes!! If you are on the fence on whether tp purchase a set or not, I would not hesitate if I were you. With all that it took to assemble and produce this fine work, I seriously doubt that there will be any more printed. Wynn put in tons of blood , sweat and tears on this I'm sure, but even putting something like this back on press for a reprint and getting it bound to this quality would be a huge undertaking.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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The old DOC seconds what Dan has wrote. That is one of the reasons I liked going to contests, the NATS and most of all the VSC. I am now up to the year when I was 9 years old and did not know about control line flying. As Dan says order a set before they run out. D>K
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My books came today. Incredible. Getting something a day early in the stunt hobby world - priceless.
Ken
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Taken from the Stunt History book.
The first AMA Nationals following World War 2 was held in Wichita, Kansas. It was 1946, and very windy.
R.H. Roof, a Tulsan won Stunt flying a 6 foot wingspan Taylorcraft powered by a Forster .99.
There was no modern stunt pattern in 1946, and it predated the Walker Cup.
A little later....52' or 53'....Ralph Roof was sort of a mentor for several of us young guys.
Ralph was at least 30 years older than us so he didn't hang out on corner vacant lots and playgrounds to fly c/l with the rest of us.
Several years earlier I remember seeing Ralph flying c/l at Mohawk Park while I was trying to figure out how to fly my new Cox TD-1.
Ralph and Neil Duncan were 2 of the very few guys that were successfully flying R/C at the old Glue Dobber field not far from the present day location.
Occasionally, TGD would have monthly meetings at Ralph's home so I would walk over there to see what the latest news was.
De....thanks LOT for posting the info from Wynn's book....you brought back a LOT of very old pleasant memories!
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Absolutely AMAZING, WYNN PAUL!
Here I was expecting a couple of Old Geezer reminiscences and what shows up but the Bible of Old Geezer dedication to the "Grand Old (and new) Game" for guys (and yes a handful of the "better halves" in our lives...including my own special lady) of a certain joyous dedication to "machines that have lived in their hearts and hands for a lifetime! (Seesh! Wynn would have axed that sentence in his sleep!)
In other words, I can't say loudly or longly enough how I treasure both the man and "His Gift" of a lifetime of happy flight memories while we, the pilots, remained on the ground.
Thank you Wynn for being an extraordinary writer of a cherished possession for so many of us.
Ted (and Shareen) Fancher
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Absolutely AMAZING, WYNN PAUL!
Here I was expecting a couple of Old Geezer reminiscences and what shows up but the Bible of Old Geezer dedication to the "Grand Old (and new) Game" for guys (and yes a handful of the "better halves" in our lives...including my own special lady) of a certain joyous dedication to "machines that have lived in their hearts and hands for a lifetime! (Seesh! Wynn would have axed that sentence in his sleep!)
In other words, I can't say loudly or longly enough how I treasure both the man and "His Gift" of a lifetime of happy flight memories while we, the pilots, remained on the ground.
Thank you Wynn for being an extraordinary writer of a cherished possession for so many of us.
Ted (and Shareen) Fancher
I have been reading Wynn's stuff where ever he put it , beginning with the Stunt column in Model Aviation. You have a very good turn doing that duty also along with a few others. I think the AMA and Model Aviation is missing out on an opportunity with everything that has been published in the magazine since 1975. They should be compiling all the Special Interest columns into book form. Go from the very beginning and go up to at least 2015, which is the last MA that they have in their archives in digital form that you can view with out a subscription. Think about all of the problems and questions that were covered in that time span!! the same with the stunt column in Flying Models. Think of the cast or writers that wrote that column for all of it's years! If people wonder why I collect magazines, this is one reason!! And I have used them a lot!! This here internet thing hasn't always been around, you know!!
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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The amount of time that Wynn Paul spent writing these two books is staggering.
Sadly, there is Racing , Speed, and Navy Carrier that will not have books written about their history.
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There is a very good book on control line vintage B-team racing.
Aircraft Speed and Vintage Team Racing, by Gordon J. Rae, 260 pages, published in 2006. Lots of history, outline drawings, construction details and more. Could more be done? YES!
Dave Hull
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Good! is it about USA Speed and Team Racing?
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There is a very good book on control line vintage B-team racing.
Aircraft Speed and Vintage Team Racing, by Gordon J. Rae, 260 pages, published in 2006. Lots of history, outline drawings, construction details and more. Could more be done? YES!
Dave Hull
The Wynn Paul Stunt History books represent a tremendous effort and my comment below is not intended to diminish the significance of Wynn's work.
Since the subject of the Team Racing book came up, it is worth mentioning here that it is available:
Amazon: Used, over $100
eBay: New ones have been recently available from England, less than $50 shipped.
I am not aware of any other other book like it regarding any event. Good information on early full scale air racing through about 1940. A chapter on early full scale Goodyear racing with many 3-views. A short bit on sport biplane racing. A great section on model team racing and model descriptions. Has 71 pages of clean drawings of 141 B Team racers.
Keith
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I grant you that Team Race is well covered.
Isn't there more to racing than Team Racing?
I don't think that you will see any more comprehensive books
written on the history of controline competition events.
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I grant you that Team Race is well covered.
Isn't there more to racing than Team Racing?
I don't think that you will see any more comprehensive books
written on the history of controline competition events.
De,
I hope I am not misinterpreting your comments here. As I mentioned in my previous post, my comments about the Team Racing book in no way should be construed to diminish the effort and quality of the work represented by Wynn Paul's Stunt History books. There probably will not or cannot be a comprehensive record/history of any event that could possibly compare to Wynn's prodigious work.
The team racing book mentioned above is an entirely different book. It covers the Class B Team racing event that started in 1948 and was popular through 1957 when it was replaced by a variety of evolving CL racing events. It does not discuss specific CL Team Racing events like Wynn provides in his books where Wynn covers details on: CL Stunt at the Nationals, Team Trials, World Championships and even the Vintage Stunt Championships; discusses specific designs that evolved and were published through the years: and the individual pilots/personalities in this event. Nevertheless, this Team Racing book covers that event in a manner that is particularly suited to the history of Class B Team racing. The thing that impresses me about that Team Racing book is the clean/clear drawings of more than 140 designs that appeared during that period.
Keith
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I grant you that Team Race is well covered.
Isn't there more to racing than Team Racing?
I don't think that you will see any more comprehensive books
written on the history of controline competition events.
Here's your golden opportunity De! You can be the one.
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Ah, but you are more eloquent than I, Bill!
Why don't you take it on?
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Ah, but you are more eloquent than I, Bill!
Why don't you take it on?
I sincerely doubt that! Besides I know nothing about any of those events.
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The only time that I ever flew racing and combat was in 1964.
I have never flown Navy Carrier.
I'm not qualified to write a book on these subjects.
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Books arrived yesterday; awesome effort, awesome results! Thank you Wynn Paul!
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De,
I hope I am not misinterpreting your comments here. As I mentioned in my previous post, my comments about the Team Racing book in no way should be construed to diminish the effort and quality of the work represented by Wynn Paul's Stunt History books. There probably will not or cannot be a comprehensive record/history of any event that could possibly compare to Wynn's prodigious work.
The team racing book mentioned above is an entirely different book. It covers the Class B Team racing event that started in 1948 and was popular through 1957 when it was replaced by a variety of evolving CL racing events. It does not discuss specific CL Team Racing events like Wynn provides in his books where Wynn covers details on: CL Stunt at the Nationals, Team Trials, World Championships and even the Vintage Stunt Championships; discusses specific designs that evolved and were published through the years: and the individual pilots/personalities in this event. Nevertheless, this Team Racing book covers that event in a manner that is particularly suited to the history of Class B Team racing. The thing that impresses me about that Team Racing book is the clean/clear drawings of more than 140 designs that appeared during that period.
Keith
DO YOU MEAN RAT RACING IN THE 50'S...I DONT REMEMBER IT BEING CALLED TEAM RACE I RACED UP UNTILL 1960...WHAT WAS CLASS B TEAM RACE
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DO YOU MEAN RAT RACING IN THE 50'S...I DONT REMEMBER IT BEING CALLED TEAM RACE I RACED UP UNTILL 1960...WHAT WAS CLASS B TEAM RACE
Class B Team Racer were called Class B Team Racers. Rat Racers were call Rat Racers regardless of that you "RACED UP UNTILL sic 1960...". Yes rat racers are/were a form of team racing, but .40 powered team racers were not the same as the 50's through early 60's B Team Racers.
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B Team Race was flown through the late 50's and until the early/mid 60's (.29 engines) about the time that Rat Racing (.40 engines) started to be flown. Among other things, the rules for those Class B Team Racers had a minimum 24" span, minimum 125 sq in area, had to have a cowled engine, clear canopy with a visible pilot, a cross section and area requirement, had to have 2 wheels, engine cutoff, and originally had to have provisions for a "race horse start". The British had Class A Team racing (for 2.5 cc engines) in that period which eventually led to the FAI class F2C racing event. There was even a Class C Team Racing event (.60 engines) that was flown in New Zealand and maybe Australia, maybe England for a while. (It is hard to imagine three .60 powered racers in the same circle.)
B Team Racing essentially fell off the CL scene when Rat Racing took over. There was a B Proto Speed event that essentially used the B Team Racing parameters, like minimum24" span, minimum area of 125 sq in, cowled-in engine and had to have a canopy, timed from a standing start for 1 mile. Like their Class B Team Racer forebearers, these were neat airplanes but died evidently for lack of participation.
There have been several attempts to resurrect the B Team Racing event with "limited" success.
Keith