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Title: World Champs Australia
Post by: rob biddle on April 19, 2016, 04:36:43 PM
  Hi Folks,
 Just wondering who has made plans to come out here for the world champs in Perth during May?

 I have taken long service leave for 3 weeks to ride my motorcycle across from the east coast with my mate Mark Gordon (also a member here).

 We're meeting up with a couple of guys who are flying over and renting a house in Perth for the week to take in the action, then taking a few extra days heading home around the coast roads to take in the sights.

 As I have never travelled further west than Adelaide and that it's pretty rare to see the worlds held down here, it's shaping up to be the trip of a lifetime!

 Hope to meet some of you there..

 Cheers, Rob.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Steve Helmick on April 19, 2016, 06:02:35 PM
I wish! Not in the bankbook, however. Be sure to say "G'day" to Paul Walker and David Fitzgerald. I don't know the other bloke, but I hear he's a nice fella too.  y1 Steve

PS: I was in Goulburn NSW in '83 for the World FF Champs. Was in Canberra the day the Ozzies won the yachting thingo. Fun times!
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: BillLee on April 19, 2016, 06:05:05 PM
The U.S. team website is at http://www.2016CLWC.org. You can see the list of the team and supporters there.

The World Champs website is at http://www.cl-wch2016per.org/ Lots of information there. If all goes as planned, you will be able to watch the results there in near real time.

Regards,

Bill Lee
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Fred Cronenwett on April 19, 2016, 08:55:01 PM
Our CL club here in St Louis, MO was honored to have the USA speed team attend our annual speed contest in preparation for the World Championships. This picture has the following people (left to right).

Carl Dodge (current F2A champion)
Ivan Valishev (Junior)
Alex Valishev
Bill Hughes
Chris Montagino

the model that Carl is holding is the model he flew in the 72, 76 and 82 world championships. Notice how the format of the model has changed over the years.

Fred
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: john e. holliday on April 20, 2016, 09:55:13 AM
I would be there if the lottery officials would draw my name/number.   But then again the long flight.  It was bad enough flying to and back from Hawaii. LL~ LL~
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Randy Powell on April 20, 2016, 10:43:40 AM
Back in the 70s, I once made the grand tour: Perth, Melbourne, Sidney,  Brisbane. It's a pretty country. Have fun, guys.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: pmackenzie on April 20, 2016, 08:35:33 PM
I will be there, flying F2B and F2D.  :)

Flight will be a killer, ~15 hours to Hong Kong then another 8 to Perth  :o
Paid extra for exit row seats, so we can at least stretch out a bit.
Also have a pair of active noise cancelling ear buds. Not cheap but worth it.
Already tried them on a 10 hour flight going to/from Dubai for the WAG, they make a huge difference.

Pat MacKenzie
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: John Cralley on April 20, 2016, 08:44:46 PM
Good luck Pat! Enjoy the Downunder (if not the trip)!
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: rob biddle on April 20, 2016, 09:10:04 PM
   Thanks Guys,

 The flight will be a killer alright Pat, I'm pretty sure my butt will be cursing me after three and a half 10 hour days riding across the Nullarbor plain :'(.

 Randy, I reckon you'd hardly recognise the place after 40 years. The major cities have changed a lot.

 As a kid my dream was always to get to Europe for a World champs or to the U.S for the Nats. This is probably shaping up to be just as epic and should be a good motivator to get back into finishing the Strega that's sitting on the bench waiting for covering.
 
 

Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Dallas Hanna on April 21, 2016, 05:48:07 AM
I will be there, flying F2B and F2D.  :)

Flight will be a killer, ~15 hours to Hong Kong then another 8 to Perth  :o
Paid extra for exit row seats, so we can at least stretch out a bit.
Also have a pair of active noise cancelling ear buds. Not cheap but worth it.
Already tried them on a 10 hour flight going to/from Dubai for the WAG, they make a huge difference.

Pat MacKenzie

The Brits have similar times Pat.  We have my mate Peter Tindal and wife here who flew into Sydney on 14th April after 24 hrs from Heathrow.  Holidaying up east coast of NSW to get them acclimatised  ;) before a week at home for him to have a bit of practice then a 4 1/2 hr flight on 1st May Sydney-Perth.  See you there!

HH
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Lauri Malila on April 21, 2016, 12:31:09 PM
May 1st Geneva-Zürich-Singapore-Perth, total about 23h :(
Now off to Italy for the weekend to get some practise before leaving!
Say hi to Peter, Dallas.
L
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: BillLee on April 21, 2016, 01:50:15 PM
May 27: Houston-LA-Auckland-Perth 36 hours. Sprung for Super Economy for extra space.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Dallas Hanna on April 21, 2016, 04:02:37 PM
May 1st Geneva-Zürich-Singapore-Perth, total about 23h :(
Now off to Italy for the weekend to get some practise before leaving!
Say hi to Peter, Dallas.
L

Will do Lauri!

HH
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Curare on April 21, 2016, 05:51:16 PM
Meanwhile I will driving for nearly an hour to watch  :o

Hope you guys enjoy Perth!
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Steve Helmick on April 22, 2016, 05:30:31 PM
Who all is on the Ozzie team? Anybody seen Dave Simons with an F2B lately?  ??? Steve
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: BillLee on April 22, 2016, 08:37:31 PM
On the W-Chs website:

Useful Information --> Countries Entered

Once there, click on the entry for the country and the role your interested in, and you will get a list of names.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Dave Simons on April 23, 2016, 05:16:46 PM
Who all is on the Ozzie team? Anybody seen Dave Simons with an F2B lately?  ??? Steve

Hi Steve!  I "won" the job of team manager this time. With a team of 58, I'm kept busy.....

Haven't flown F2B for a couple of years, but I've been doing a fair bit of judging, up to Nats level.  Been flying some FF, though - just fun stuff, nothing serious.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: NED-088 on April 26, 2016, 04:35:20 AM
Haven't had many serious training options so far this year.
Hoping the training facilities in Perth are OK.

This is today in the Netherlands:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBPuQB1RfFs
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Christoph Holtermann on April 26, 2016, 08:43:38 AM
Haven't had many serious training options so far this year.
Hoping the training facilities in Perth are OK.

This is today in the Netherlands:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBPuQB1RfFs

Hi Bruno,

we have hail storms this week :)
My practise this year for the WC was always wearing ski-clothing with hardly any day above 5°C.
This weekend  was test-packing my box and now fighting against my free luggage weight limit. Somehow things are heavier than I thought.  :)

See you next wek!

Christoph
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Lauri Malila on April 26, 2016, 09:48:35 AM
Hi Bruno,

we have hail storms this week :)
My practise this year for the WC was always wearing ski-clothing with hardly any day above 5°C.
This weekend  was test-packing my box and now fighting against my free luggage weight limit. Somehow things are heavier than I thought.  :)

See you next wek!

Christoph


Hehe, for same reason I just came home from Ciriè, Italy. 3 days of flying in perfect weather, just next to ice cream factory!

See you soon.

L
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Air Ministry . on April 26, 2016, 09:50:17 AM
(http://www.australia.com/content/australia/en_my/places/red-centre/jcr:content/hero/image.adapt.1663.medium.jpg)

Suitable Apparell , with maybe one of those motorcycle type windbreakers , in case it snows . S?P
Mybe insect repellent if theres been rain . A black singlet , shorts and roman sandles would be formal dress , some places here .
Perths Fairly Modern . Local tribes other side of the main road at the , right from  entrance , 1st on the left . & your back in the 60s . H^^
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Air Ministry . on April 26, 2016, 10:20:01 AM
A few shots of the field , before ' the developments ' belive the F2B circles are eithe9 Both ) ends of the runway , T/R set up is over past here, just . ( top L.H. )

(http://static.wixstatic.com/media/91ebbc_1da2b8097c094f46b5cabb79100b55a4.jpg_srz_979_455_85_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_jpg_srz)

Coasts behind yor back , Sydneys 2000 or thereabouts over there , if you had good eyes .

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/2gy4MxODEVc/maxresdefault.jpg)

its pretty much flat , thereabouts . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gy4MxODEVc ( y' can see on the site map , the runway .
Though at Dalby , thyed say theres a hill , as if you left your handbrake off , and it was in neutral , and there was a breeze , your car MIGHt just roll along a little back over by the motor museum  .

Its Not quite as damp as England , :##

(http://static.wixstatic.com/media/91ebbc_bf570012687243f8bc30308bc4842319.png_srz_933_679_85_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_png_srz)

Id think it'd be a good deal greener than the picture , with ' works ' progressed considerably , as the pictures dated .

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The runways are positioned to take into account the most common wind directions. The East-West runway is 197m in length, the North East-South West runway is 180m

Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Randy Powell on April 26, 2016, 02:07:59 PM
Looks a bit like Tucson there.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Rich Perry on April 26, 2016, 05:35:07 PM
Will be pulling for my Minor friends on the combat team!
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Air Ministry . on May 05, 2016, 03:30:27 AM
Have they ( you ) got there , or have the drop bears got them .  ;)

(http://www.douglasvanbossuyt.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/IMG_5541.jpg)

Peraps someone will start a ' picture page ' & comentary , on a fresh post ? H^^
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: pmackenzie on May 05, 2016, 04:48:12 AM
Have not seen any drop bears ("wrong kind of trees around here"), but there are plenty of kangaroo droppings  ;)

Pat MacKenzie
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Mark Scarborough on May 05, 2016, 08:06:41 AM
well not the world champs, but the world cup, first day scores posted up, looks like our boys came to play :)

http://www.cl-ausworldcup2016.org/showResults.php?event=B

Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Brett Buck on May 05, 2016, 09:59:01 AM
Have not seen any drop bears ("wrong kind of trees around here"), but there are plenty of kangaroo droppings  ;)

     You definitely have to watch out for both. The drop bear depends on stealth. They are there, you just never see them - until it's too late!  It's just like dingos and babies.

    Brett

   
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Target on May 05, 2016, 10:10:13 AM
well not the world champs, but the world cup, first day scores posted up, looks like our boys came to play :)

http://www.cl-ausworldcup2016.org/showResults.php?event=B


Looks like a fantastic start to their flying there!
Way to go, gents!
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Dallas Hanna on May 05, 2016, 06:28:05 PM
Have not seen any drop bears ("wrong kind of trees around here"), but there are plenty of kangaroo droppings  ;)

Pat MacKenzie

By the look of the amount of Kangas in the west of Australia Pat they can stay here! They'd eat us out on the east coast.  There must be a hundred or so every afternoon somewhere near the practice site in one field alone.   Four years back on my only drive to the west you had to look out for kangas and emus across the plain which seemed to go on forever.  The only strike was an emu which luckily only caught the corner of the caravan.

Was great to meet you Pat as well as the other Canadians.

HH
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Curare on May 05, 2016, 10:01:01 PM
Herb, where are you practicing?
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Steve Thomas on May 06, 2016, 01:22:18 AM
World Cup results here: http://www.cl-ausworldcup2016.org/showResults.php?event=B

I gather there's no fly-off round, which makes it a well-deserved win to Orestes.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Dallas Hanna on May 06, 2016, 04:37:15 AM
Herb, where are you practicing?

I'm helper for Pete Tindal, UK.  The practice site is at Guildford?? I think.  I'm lost on this side of the country!!  Give me a call on 0438 197711 or text as there's no phone rec in cabin!

HH
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Target on May 06, 2016, 08:14:14 AM
World Cup results here: http://www.cl-ausworldcup2016.org/showResults.php?event=B

I gather there's no fly-off round, which makes it a well-deserved win to Orestes.
A great start of the trip by the USA team!
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Dave_Trible on May 06, 2016, 10:15:26 AM
Orestes has his 'A' game on!  Nice to see Kaz up there too.

Dave
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: dale gleason on May 06, 2016, 11:45:12 AM
Is there a website for the World (Aussie) Cup that shows results for F2C that is posting the results? The link I have has much information, but no results.
Thanks,
dale g
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: John McFayden on May 06, 2016, 11:55:21 AM
F2C Results

http://www.cl-ausworldcup2016.org/showResults.php?event=C
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: bob whitney on May 06, 2016, 01:47:25 PM


  u dont want to know
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Shawn Lenci on May 06, 2016, 02:47:29 PM
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Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Howard Rush on May 06, 2016, 04:11:57 PM
     You definitely have to watch out for both. The drop bear depends on stealth. They are there, you just never see them - until it's too late!  It's just like dingos and babies.

Besides drop bears and the various serpents, there is Russell Bond.  I forgot to caution Messrs. Fitzgerald and Walker about Mr. Bond, who has a history of world-champion abuse. 
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: PJ Rowland on May 06, 2016, 04:57:23 PM
I dont want to hear anything about the scores being low.....

The conditions on the final day were hard for everyone. Period .
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Paul Walker on May 06, 2016, 06:04:45 PM
Besides drop bears and the various serpents, there is Russell Bond.  I forgot to caution Messrs. Fitzgerald and Walker about Mr. Bond, who has a history of world-champion abuse. 


Yes, we have already had "discussions" with Mr. Bond.

Yes, the conditions were......Interesting..
If you didn't like them you only had to wait a few minutes for change.
There was absolute dead air, dead air with variable gusts, mix in a little perfect air, then some more dead air, and then some fair wind.  oops, forgot the heavy drizzle...and guess, in the irony of it all, who got the rain...yes, the guy who flew in Seattle for all those years.   You think he would have done better in it that almost crash....along with his second score.......oh well....The world champs are coming in a few days and the rain today is giving us a nice day off. 

Stay tuned.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Russell Bond on May 06, 2016, 06:13:10 PM
I've been very well behaved although Brian Eather says he disputes that. (He's staying in the same cabin as me.)
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: RknRusty on May 06, 2016, 09:25:13 PM
I'm curious, when flying in an FAI event, are you glow engine pilots using zero nitromethane fuel? If so, does that pose any trouble adapting, or is that what you tune your engines and practice with here in the US? Or are you all flying on electrons?

Rusty
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Brett Buck on May 06, 2016, 09:29:41 PM
I'm curious, when flying in an FAI event, are you glow engine pilots using zero nitromethane fuel? \

   No, regular fuel. David tells me he was on 12.5% nitro for the world cup event.

    Brett
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Curare on May 06, 2016, 09:47:24 PM

Yes, we have already had "discussions" with Mr. Bond.

Yes, the conditions were......Interesting..
If you didn't like them you only had to wait a few minutes for change.
There was absolute dead air, dead air with variable gusts, mix in a little perfect air, then some more dead air, and then some fair wind.  oops, forgot the heavy drizzle...and guess, in the irony of it all, who got the rain...yes, the guy who flew in Seattle for all those years.   You think he would have done better in it that almost crash....along with his second score.......oh well....The world champs are coming in a few days and the rain today is giving us a nice day off. 

Stay tuned.

Upon reflection Having the World Champs here, in may can be risky business. Perth is well known for having the fiercest storms come through in May. Acutally where I live, South of Perth has the nickname of 'Tornado Alley'. At least one or two houses lose their roofs in the storms (Winds in excess of 160kph, at steel framed roofs make for some light wing loadings!).

Still, with that said, the rest of the time the flying is glorious. Not to hot, not too cold, a little puff of wind here and there.

Hope you guys are enjoying your day off.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: pmackenzie on May 07, 2016, 04:20:30 AM
I'm curious, when flying in an FAI event, are you glow engine pilots using zero nitromethane fuel? If so, does that pose any trouble adapting, or is that what you tune your engines and practice with here in the US? Or are you all flying on electrons?

Rusty

AFAIK only the pure " horespower" FAI events use 0% nitro : F1C free flight, F2A speed and F3? pylon racing.
F2D combat uses 10% nitro.
 Pretty sure all other classes are "run what you brung"
(You can buy the nitro, methanol and oil from the organizers. Also whatever weird and dangerous chemicals the team race guys use  ;))

Having said that , our only non-electron F2B flyer is running 0%, but with synthetic oil.

Pat MacKenzie
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Derek Barry on May 07, 2016, 05:35:16 AM
Congratulations to Orestes, World Cup champion!

Good luck to all three of you in the big event!! PJ says you are all flying very well, not that I would expect any less... I hope you guys can lock up the top three spots.

Derek
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: john e. holliday on May 07, 2016, 10:11:42 AM
I think it is great they have a contest before the worlds to give those wanting to compete to warm up before the FAI Worlds Champs.   Congrats to our team and especially Orestes. H^^
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Randy Cuberly on May 07, 2016, 11:47:19 AM
Sounds like Orestes is definitely on his "game".  Best of luck to all the American Team and best wishes for a "good time" for all.  Wish I could be there.

Randy Cuberly
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Target on May 07, 2016, 12:32:56 PM
I think it is great they have a contest before the worlds to give those wanting to compete to warm up before the FAI Worlds Champs.    H^^

I think it is standard practice for a lot of WC comps. I know that they do this for sailplane's F3B (multi-task winch launched) and also F3F (time trial slope racing).
Best of luck to Team USA!
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Ted Fancher on May 07, 2016, 06:17:45 PM
Just curious, do they use the same judges for the warm up event as for the Championship?  If so, are they allowed to study/review the results?  I know doing so would fly in the face of the "logic" of the US Nats procedures and judges' instructions re reviewing posted scores prior to the completion of a competition.

Also, did I miss a post explaining why the three flight finals weren't flown?  Weather?

Ted
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: RknRusty on May 07, 2016, 08:21:17 PM
So, the World Cup is a pre-World Championship contest? If so, is that just an Australian special event, or is this how all the World contests work?
Rusty

Good Luck, US Team!
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Target on May 07, 2016, 10:55:13 PM
Yes, I really AM invisible!
:-)
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Steve Thomas on May 07, 2016, 11:22:52 PM
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Just curious, do they use the same judges for the warm up event as for the Championship?  If so, are they allowed to study/review the results? 

Good questions, Ted - no idea of the answers though. I had a look at a few of the scoresheets, and it was apparent that one of the judges was scoring consistently up to 100 points below one of the others. The third was generally right in the middle, and thus pretty close to the overall average score. No criticism intended, I was just surprised at the size of the spread.

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Also, did I miss a post explaining why the three flight finals weren't flown?  Weather?

No, I think the results page is misleading, and it was only ever meant to be a 2-round competition. The weather's actually been pretty good, apart from the light & fluky winds and Mr Walker getting drizzled on. (Pretty sure he was the only one, at least while I was there). The outlook for next week seems really good.

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Sounds like Orestes is definitely on his "game".

I didn't see the first round, but a couple of friends I spoke to made particular mention of how well Orestes flew, and thought he might've been a little unlucky not to have been leading after round 1.

Good luck to everyone for next week!
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: PJ Rowland on May 08, 2016, 05:35:53 AM
No round 3 and no flyoff.

Pathetic... some of us actually spent money to come over.

Imagine that. World cup rules are in thr FAI handbook.. but for the most part they were ignored.

Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: pmackenzie on May 08, 2016, 06:20:31 AM
I was told they could only do two rounds because they allowed more entries than a normal world cup.
There simply was not time enough to do three rounds.

It was much better than the F2D world cup debacle in Landres prior to the world champs there.
They had a huge entry, and only completed two rounds. So a total waste of time for everyone involved.

Pat MacKenzie
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: PJ Rowland on May 08, 2016, 06:59:14 AM
Rules state. Judges can only see a max of 50 flights per day.

It also says you must give all competition entrants 3 rounds and take the top 15 for a flyoff.

So we adhere to some that dont exist and make up new ones...

Its ok.. i wasnt the only one who complained.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: pmackenzie on May 08, 2016, 07:37:35 AM
That would mean for a two day contest they would have been limited to 33 pilots, they chose to go to 40 pilots and fly two rounds.
Had they opted for a three day contest we might have had to fly on Saturday, and the weather was horrible, unflyable.

Anyway, every thread needs pictures so here are a couple  :)
First one is a random practice circle shot from a few days ago, PW's model in the foreground.
Second one is outside of processing today. foreground models are Team Canada.
And 6 of the 8 models in the shot are Yatsenkos!

Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Doug Moon on May 08, 2016, 11:10:38 AM
I am sure this came up last time but can someone tell me the point of the world cup contest? I dont understand why they have a world cup contest and then the world championships??

Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Joseph Patterson on May 08, 2016, 12:18:51 PM
  Me too Doug? Have they had these cup contests before?
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Dave_Trible on May 08, 2016, 12:38:26 PM
What little I know of it,  it's been there for a while.  The main difference I believe is that's it's open to all comers unlike the World Champs where just selected teams can enter.  You'll notice some of our U.S.  guys who aren't team members flew.  Other than that it's great practice for the 'big show'.

Dave
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Target on May 08, 2016, 02:46:29 PM
Yep, still invisible.
The pre wc contest is both a warm up for the team guys, and a way to give back to the support guys on the teams.
As I posted earlier, they've been doing this a while in other fai activities.
Going back to invisibility. :-)
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Trostle on May 08, 2016, 03:41:00 PM
I am sure this came up last time but can someone tell me the point of the world cup contest? I dont understand why they have a world cup contest and then the world championships??


Hi Doug,

A summary from the FAI website:

World Cups are a series of international competitions held during the competition flying season.  The season generally begins in February and ends in October in any year. A World Cup is held each year in various categories including FF, all of the  four FAI CL events, and various RC events

The World Cups take place in various countries and in various classes. Essentially, a competitor may enter as many World Cups in his particular class as he wishes but only a limited number may count for classification purposes.
Each category of World Cup has a Coordinator who regularly publishes the results during the season. There is a “leader board” for each of the classes which is also updated regularly. The final results and rankings are published at the end of the season. At the annual meeting of the FAI Aeromodelling Commission held in Lausanne, Switzerland, each World Cup winner is presented with an FAI medal and diploma. The second and third placed competitors are presented with an FAI diploma.

At the World Championships, the host country can choose to run a World Cup competition prior to the start of the Championships.  For F2B, during the recent past, the host countries have and have not held a World Cup competition.  At the 2014 World Championships in Poland, there was an F2B World Cup competition.  Two members from our F2B team (Howard Rush and Kenny Stevens) entered the event (which was limited to 33 entries if I remember right).  Registration was first come, first served.  Needless to say, there was a lengthy back-up list.  (Orestes did not make the registration cut off.)  If I remember right, Howard placed a very credible 5th place and Kenny had lost his airplane at the time the contest was run.

There are reports each year in the foreign model press about the F2B World Cup series.  Most contests are held in Europe, but I believe Brazil has hosted at least one in the recent past.

Hope for fair weather to our team members in the World Championship competition that starts tomorrow, Monday May 9.

Keith
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Ted Fancher on May 08, 2016, 05:56:48 PM
My question still remains unanswered.  Have the WC judges already judged the World Cup participating team members and digested the outcome for future reference or were other judges utilized and the outcome withheld from the WC judges conduct of the World Championships so as to retain the greatest degree of objectivity possible for the World Championships?

Should be easily determined one would think.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: bob whitney on May 08, 2016, 06:09:41 PM


  a few years ago My pilot Jason and i were invited to KIEV to fly F2C . in their world cup.  we were treated like long lost Brothers it was a great weekend
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Russell Bond on May 08, 2016, 06:11:43 PM
At the last two W-Champs I went to there were three rounds with no fly-off. (For the World Cup.)

Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Joseph Patterson on May 08, 2016, 06:23:07 PM
     Thanks for the info Keith, and thanks to you Ted- I have similar concerns too!
        Doug    
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: pmackenzie on May 09, 2016, 05:54:39 AM
My question still remains unanswered.  Have the WC judges already judged the World Cup participating team members and digested the outcome for future reference or were other judges utilized and the outcome withheld from the WC judges conduct of the World Championships so as to retain the greatest degree of objectivity possible for the World Championships?

Should be easily determined one would think.

The three judges in the world cup are among the six judges for the world champs.

Pat MacKenzie
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: rob biddle on May 09, 2016, 06:37:16 AM
 Haven't been on here for a while, but after 2200 miles in 3 days, a sore backside, 2 worn out tyres and a roo strike. We got here and are having a ball😎.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: John Cralley on May 11, 2016, 07:12:59 AM
For what it is worth, looks like Igor nailed first place and the US team were 3rd, 4th & 5th!
http://www.cl-wch2016per.org//Results/index.php (http://www.cl-wch2016per.org//Results/index.php)
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Brett Buck on May 11, 2016, 07:17:22 AM
For what it is worth, looks like Igor nailed first place and the US team were 3rd, 4th & 5th!
http://www.cl-wch2016per.org//Results/index.php (http://www.cl-wch2016per.org//Results/index.php)

   In qualifying, yes. Everything starts over again for the finals.

    Brett
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Paul Walker on May 11, 2016, 07:19:08 AM
For what it is worth, looks like Igor nailed first place and the US team were 3rd, 4th & 5th!
http://www.cl-wch2016per.org//Results/index.php (http://www.cl-wch2016per.org//Results/index.php)




Yes, Igor edged out Richie by 0.20 points for first place for the QUALIFICATION rounds. The top 15 now have their scores erased and start the finals rounds.

Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: John Cralley on May 11, 2016, 07:19:57 AM
Oops! That was the elimination rounds. Fly off: still to come???
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Paul Walker on May 11, 2016, 07:31:30 AM
In case you all don't know who Russell Bond is (trust me, no relation to James) the attached picture shows him preparing his next victim for his next prank. Poor Orestes is unaware of that devil. Ask Igor who RB is. He experienced his pranks in Poland.

Your best defence is a good offence, and watch your 6.

Oh yes, one of the charaters one meets at a World Champs. Yes there are others. Bene, Kaz,  and Igor just to name a few.

I will miss seeing them at these events, as this is my last trip to a WC's.

RB, who are you going to abuse when I'm not there?
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Paul Walker on May 11, 2016, 07:36:41 AM
Dave informs me that he wishes that you (RB) would pay more attention to him when I'm gone from the WC's. Just visited with Dave on this!
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Mark Scarborough on May 11, 2016, 08:53:51 AM
Dave informs me that he wishes that you (RB) would pay more attention to him when I'm gone from the WC's. Just visited with Dave on this!
Paul, it seems to me that perhaps Russell *not James* Bond should spend some quality time with Igor,, so you Dave and Orestes can be prepared  S?P VD~ without distraction
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Tim Wescott on May 11, 2016, 09:29:31 AM
Are there any juniors in F2B this year?  It looked like one in combat, but that's all I saw glancing at that other stuff.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Trostle on May 11, 2016, 10:44:52 AM
Are there any juniors in F2B this year?  It looked like one in combat, but that's all I saw glancing at that other stuff.

All of the Junior flyers are so identified by the J with their names in the results section.  There are three Juniors in F2B.  The Juniors fly in the same rotation as the Senior pilots.  A Junior ranking can be used in the determination of team ranking if their score is better than one of the three Senior team members.

It is not unusual to see Juniors doing quite well in F2D.  I do not remember when, but one time not long ago in F2C, the Junior Champion was the World Champion.

There are 9 Juniors in F2D this year.  One of them is on our US Team, Nadein Alexandria, daughter of team member Andrey.  She is still in the hunt after four rounds as this is written.  A significant accomplishment.

Keith
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Target on May 11, 2016, 11:12:07 AM
Best of luck to our guys in the finals!

Vr,
Chris
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Randy Powell on May 11, 2016, 11:46:05 AM
Paul will retire from World competition to stay home and prank us. I look forward to it.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Russell Bond on May 12, 2016, 03:27:46 AM
Yes, watch out for Paul now as I've taught him how to treat stunt pilots.
"The higher the ranking, the worse the pranking!"

OK Paul, I'll pick on Dave for you.  ;D
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Dallas Hanna on May 12, 2016, 03:39:43 AM
David Fitz in action today round 2 of finals.

HH
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Russell Bond on May 12, 2016, 04:10:32 AM
I'm glad Dave F knows which way is up and down as he doesn't know his left from right!

Following him in my car this arvo and he puts his RH indicator on and then turns left!!!  What????!!!!  :o
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Lauri Malila on May 12, 2016, 07:00:44 AM
I just wipe the windscreen every time I turn.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Jason Greer on May 12, 2016, 10:23:09 AM
So is Kornmeier the world champion?  Looks like the fly off rounds have been posted.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Brett Buck on May 12, 2016, 10:26:57 AM
So is Kornmeier the world champion?  Looks like the fly off rounds have been posted.

   One more round to go.

    Brett
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Mark Scarborough on May 12, 2016, 10:31:11 AM
Yes, watch out for Paul now as I've taught him how to treat stunt pilots.
"The higher the ranking, the worse the pranking!"

OK Paul, I'll pick on Dave for you.  ;D
I guess that means I am safe from Paul when he gets back home,,
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Jason Greer on May 12, 2016, 10:38:10 AM
Thanks, Brett.  I overlooked the 3rd round column.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Curare on May 13, 2016, 12:12:51 AM
Well, I skived off from work to go and watch the final round, and it was almost perfect weather, slightly chilly initially, sunny, and a little breeze.

It was the first time I'd seen Orestes fly and it was damn near perfect, he well deserved the round.

Kornmeier was also spot on, and I thought that he had in the bag quite honestly.

Walker's flight was last and had the biggest crowd to watch, and because of that I was having trouble seeing the bottoms there were so many heads in the way.

Amazing flying, and it certainly proved to me that accelerometer electric ESC systems are the next evolution for me.

Also, is this the first W/C won by a Yatsenko ship?
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Mark Scarborough on May 13, 2016, 08:51:03 AM
I believe that Orestes airframe is built by him from a "kit" provided by Yatsenko, but built from parts by Orestes,,

well flown USA Cant wait to hear the stories if Paul and Dave make it to the Regionals
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: RknRusty on May 13, 2016, 01:48:25 PM
Maybe Sparky will record some interviews. I was fascinated with his Paul Walker interview about a trip to the WC and all the stories that went with it. Both interesting and funny. Same with his Bob Hunt interview too.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: John Cralley on May 13, 2016, 06:59:11 PM
Looks like Orestes edged out Igor for first place! Paul Walker came in 4th!

The US easily won the team championship with 1st, 4th & 9th place finishes!

Best stunters in the World!!!   #^
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Igor Burger on May 16, 2016, 11:44:58 PM
No round 3 and no flyoff.

Pathetic... some of us actually spent money to come over.

Imagine that. World cup rules are in thr FAI handbook.. but for the most part they were ignored.



Well in that weather changing every second, it was definitelly not the best if we did not discard lowest score. I expected they will at least do top 15 seocond round. We got terrible wind and turbulence with David on second flight, it will certainly help to have one flight discarded. It was little bit lottery.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Paul Walker on May 17, 2016, 06:25:46 PM
I believe that Orestes airframe is built by him from a "kit" provided by Yatsenko, but built from parts by Orestes,,

well flown USA Cant wait to hear the stories if Paul and Dave make it to the Regionals


The one he uses at FAI competitions was built in the Ukraine. The ones he uses at AMA competitions he built. His AMA planes don't fly as well because they are heavier.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Paul Walker on May 17, 2016, 07:33:51 PM
 It was little bit lottery.
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REALLY. A LOTTERY.....SAY ITS NOT SO.

Well, with the way the judges balloned, if you had early flights, you were in trouble. Of the 3 finals flights, two were very early, and one was the last flight. The first flight was the 3rd to go. That was my throw away flight.

It is sad to have so many people work so hard to prepare for this competition only to make it a lottery because of the judges.
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Igor Burger on May 17, 2016, 07:46:40 PM
Tell me something about it :-P ... I did the first official flight of the contest. after Lauri warm up flight :- ))))))))
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Air Ministry . on May 17, 2016, 08:49:03 PM
As its the 21st century , thereabouts  ;D we could Save Money by Just Videotaping All Flights  ( No Judges ) at the World Champs .

Evenings to replay tapes ( Fixed Camera- not wobbling ! ) and competitors pick holes in the flights. Er . I mean ' critique ' flights .
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Mark Scarborough on May 17, 2016, 09:14:04 PM

The one he uses at FAI competitions was built in the Ukraine. The ones he uses at AMA competitions he built. His AMA planes don't fly as well because they are heavier.

thank you for the correction Paul, always better to konw the truth
Title: Re: World Champs Australia
Post by: Curare on May 21, 2016, 06:55:53 PM
Well a couple of mentions of the weather made me think you guys while I was battening down the hatches yesterday as we were in the thick of the biggest storm in some years. The world champs slipped through in a relative lull, so it could have been worse.

Try flying in this!