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Title: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 03, 2022, 01:06:08 PM
The US team is all on the way to Poland!!! We will try post and keep everyone updated.

Go Team USA!!!
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Tom Luciano on August 03, 2022, 01:46:29 PM
You guys are DA MEN!!!! Go Team USA!!!
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: James Mills on August 03, 2022, 01:46:52 PM
Praying for safe travels, have a great time.  Go USA!

James
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: jfv on August 03, 2022, 02:04:54 PM
Go for it guys!  All the best.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: John Rist on August 03, 2022, 05:39:19 PM
Interesting.  How many are electric? 

Good luck GO USA!
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Dan McEntee on August 03, 2022, 07:02:04 PM
   I'm in an exhaustive, covid induced haze. Somebody put names with the people here. Back row tome looks like Joe Dayly, then Howard Rush, and then Orestez Hernandez? Do I have that correct? I do not know the young man kneeling in front? I don't remember anything about the team trials and too tired to look it up
   Good Luck Team USA!
  Type at you later,
  Dan McEntee
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: James Mills on August 03, 2022, 07:36:11 PM
   I'm in an exhaustive, covid induced haze. Somebody put names with the people here. Back row tome looks like Joe Dayly, then Howard Rush, and then Orestez Hernandez? Do I have that correct? I do not know the young man kneeling in front? I don't remember anything about the team trials and too tired to look it up
   Good Luck Team USA!
  Type at you later,
  Dan McEntee
Steven Daley (Joe's son) is kneeling.  Four electric set ups on their way.

James
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Brent Williams on August 03, 2022, 07:37:24 PM
Interesting.  How many are electric? 

Good luck GO USA!

All electric!

Go Team USA!
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Les McDonald on August 03, 2022, 08:32:53 PM
This adventure started long ago for them so all I can say is "keep calm and carry on"!
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Howard Rush on August 04, 2022, 03:48:26 AM
Marilou and I made it here without serious incident. I’ll post stories of amusing incidents when I have time. Freeways now have KFC at some rest areas. Others have McDonald’s or Burger King.  Not all Poles wear American theme T-shirts this time. One had a Stones No Filter shirt.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Howard Rush on August 04, 2022, 03:49:49 AM
Got 6 batteries charged and dog assembled. I’m going to the field to fly some stunt.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Lauri Malila on August 04, 2022, 04:39:39 AM
Marilou and I made it here without serious incident. I’ll post stories of amusing incidents when I have time. Freeways now have KFC at some rest areas. Others have McDonald’s or Burger King.  Not all Poles wear American theme T-shirts this time. One had a Stones No Filter shirt.

At this level of sport, it’s very important to be able to eat same food as at home also when far from home.
You’ve got an unfair advantage. L
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Tom Luciano on August 04, 2022, 05:59:23 AM
Well Lauri if thats the case, if Howard,Orestes. Joe, and Steven find a Dairy Queen look out!!! Lol
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Howard Rush on August 04, 2022, 06:30:36 AM
At this level of sport, it’s very important to be able to eat same food as at home also when far from home.
You’ve got an unfair advantage. L

I brought a drill and can put holes in cheese for you.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Lauri Malila on August 04, 2022, 06:41:02 AM
Thanks, see you tomorrow then! L
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Mike Alimov on August 04, 2022, 07:36:25 AM
At this level of sport, it’s very important to be able to eat same food as at home also when far from home.
You’ve got an unfair advantage. L

If the local Mikey D's use real Polish pickles, their burgers should taste even better than the originals...
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Steve Helmick on August 04, 2022, 04:26:49 PM
If the local Mikey D's use real Polish pickles, their burgers should taste even better than the originals...

The part about "even better" makes me question your hamburger expertize. Hopefully, they don't put sliced pickled beets on the burgers like the Aussies. Disgusting!  H^^ Steve
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Craig Beswick on August 04, 2022, 04:43:54 PM
So the pineapple on our burgers is okay Steve?

Craig🦘🦘🦘🦘🦘🐨🐨🐨🐨
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Steve Helmick on August 04, 2022, 05:32:15 PM
So the pineapple on our burgers is okay Steve?

Craig🦘🦘🦘🦘🦘🐨🐨🐨🐨

NO! Absolutely NOT! I forgot about that. "Pin-apple" doesn't belong on pizza, either. That's just silly.

Try some good spicy/garlic guacamole on your burger. Can be even better with bacon added, if it's good thin, crispy bacon. Thick, burnt, chewy bacon is right out! Don't forget the lettuce and slice of tomato. Messy, tho. Lots of napkins required!  y1 Steve
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Craig Beswick on August 04, 2022, 06:19:57 PM
Steve,
LETTTUCE!!!!!! Lettuce here topped out at $12AUD that is about $8.35US. I sh.t you not!!!

You won't see lettuce on a Burger in OZ for a long while.

Pineapple, beetroot, rubbery bacon and egg on a Burger. Heaven.

Craig
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 05, 2022, 04:38:39 AM
The US team is competing in the World Cup. Pretty windy today 10 to 15. Steven just fly is the current leader
On the board. However still very early in the round. They use electronic scoring which is pretty cool. Sorry for the reflection in the picture, I will try to do better.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: jfv on August 05, 2022, 05:35:33 AM
Go for the Gold!
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Ken Culbertson on August 05, 2022, 11:33:02 AM
You have them right where you want them!  Go USA!

Is that scoreboard dynamic?

Ken
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Dwayne Donnelly on August 05, 2022, 12:34:33 PM
Konstantin 5th,  y1 #^
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 05, 2022, 02:28:08 PM
1/2 of the second round is done. Here is a link to the board. It updates live. The rest of round 2 and 3 tomorrow.

http://cl-f2abcd-wchs2020.pl/wcup2022f2/results_online/f2b/results.html?

Second round much better for me. Only a few mistakes.
You have to love the horizontal square = times 18. One of my highest maneuvers. Both Howard and Steven did better in the second round.

Here are few pictures from today. 
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Carl Cisneros on August 05, 2022, 03:22:07 PM
Man, what kind of turf is that over there?
Looks like individual cut out pieces of sod of some sort.
Carl
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Mike Scholtes on August 05, 2022, 04:09:42 PM
I wondered the same thing. Is that a practice circle? Or is that where the WC will be decided? Doesn't even look level, let alone smooth enough for precision takeoffs and landings.

Our guys are doing great, looks like a lock on the team competition and a good shot at overall win. Go USA!
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Ken Culbertson on August 05, 2022, 04:19:25 PM
Where are the Chinese ?
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Trostle on August 05, 2022, 04:37:28 PM
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Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Trostle on August 05, 2022, 05:15:22 PM
What I understand is that the competition going on in Wloclawek, Poland (5 Aug - 7 Aug) is the World Cup series.  This is a competition through the year hosted by different countries.  It is held so that individuals can earn points to win the annual World Cup. It is different than the World Control Line Championships this year held in the same town from 8 Aug through 13 Aug.  The World Cup has a limited number of entries.

As far as I know, there is no "team competition" for the World Cup.  Also, I am not sure if the Chinese have ever entered the World Cup series of competition.


Keith
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Shorts,David on August 05, 2022, 10:27:27 PM
Appreciate the updates, go USA.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Steven Mac Bride on August 06, 2022, 12:30:51 AM
Go Team USA!!!!
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Howard Rush on August 06, 2022, 12:53:06 AM
What I understand is that the competition going on in Wloclawek, Poland (5 Aug - 7 Aug) is the World Cup series.  This is a competition through the year hosted by different countries.  It is held so that individuals can earn points to win the annual World Cup. It is different than the World Control Line Championships this year held in the same town from 8 Aug through 13 Aug.  The World Cup has a limited number of entries.

As far as I know, there is no "team competition" for the World Cup.  Also, I am not sure if the Chinese have ever entered the World Cup series of competition.


Keith


World Cup entry fills up usually in a few hours after the opening bell. Orestes and Dalys were on standby. There were no-shows, so we all got in.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Dan McEntee on August 06, 2022, 09:47:52 AM
World Cup entry fills up usually in a few hours after the opening bell. Orestes and Dalys were on standby. There were no-shows, so we all got in.

   I would think that this is a good chance to knock some rust off and really check out equipment before the real flying starts. Good Luck to all!
    Type at you later,
    Dan McEntee
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Trostle on August 06, 2022, 11:12:06 AM
Man, what kind of turf is that over there?
Looks like individual cut out pieces of sod of some sort.
Carl

The condition of the control line Aerobatics circles at the World Championships seem to be a continuing problem.  The photos above apparently show the flying circles being used for this competition in Wloclawek.  They appear to be in better condition than what our team encountered 7 years ago in Wloclawek.  The flying circles then would be put to shame by a cow pasture.  (Ask Kenny Stephens who lost his ship on his first practice flight there because his gear got entangled in the weeds on his take off.)

The FAI has rules for flying surfaces to be used for international competition including paved and grass circles.  It is interesting to read the FAI rules for grass circles:

"The standard required shall be better than that of a typical local sports field (a football field for example), and should be as close as possible to a high quality, level, well-tended and well-drained domestic lawn. The length of grass shall be kept to a maximum of 2.5 cm over the complete Contest Flight Circle during contest flying."

This is just one of the frustrating factors that F2B competitors face in these international competitions.

For those who might be interested, the FAI/CIAM rules for control line can be found at:

https://www.fai.org/sites/default/files/sc4_vol_f2_controlline_22.pdf

Keith


Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 06, 2022, 01:28:40 PM
The US team did pretty good today. My man Orestes won!!!!
I came in 10th, Howard 15th, and Steven in 24 in some pretty windy conditions at times.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Ken Culbertson on August 06, 2022, 01:51:19 PM
The US team did pretty good today. My man Orestes won!!!!
I came in 10th, Howard 15th, and Steven in 24 in some pretty windy conditions at times.
#^ #^ #^ #^
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Fred Underwood on August 06, 2022, 04:11:19 PM

http://cl-f2abcd-wchs2020.pl/wcup2022f2/results_online/f2b/results.html?


I may be the only one who did not know, but if you go to this site and click on an individual score, you get the scores or each maneuver and from each judge.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Bob Hunt on August 06, 2022, 04:35:35 PM
That's great news, Joe! Fantastic warm up contest for the teams before the "Big Show." Keep it going!

Bob Hunt
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: john e. holliday on August 06, 2022, 09:39:53 PM
Go team USA.  Time to hammer down for the Worlds. D>K
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Ken Culbertson on August 06, 2022, 09:54:41 PM
I may be the only one who did not know, but if you go to this site and click on an individual score, you get the scores or each maneuver and from each judge.
We need one of these!

Ken
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Keith Renecle on August 06, 2022, 11:13:27 PM
Thanks to Joe and Howard for the on-site reports. Thanks also to Fred for pointing out that we can click on the scores to see the breakdown from each judge. That makes it interesting.

What I would like to know is if there are any practice circles added. I was there in 2014 and I concur with Keith T about the sorry condition of the grass circles. Maybe this time the organizers arranged some off-site practice circles? That would be nice!

Keith R
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Shorts,David on August 06, 2022, 11:37:33 PM
I assume scoring is from 1-10. The highest scores I saw from the top guys were a few 9.5s. A general judging comment, did the judges not see a single perfect maneuver, OR would they not know one of they saw it, OR, do they refuse to reward a perfect maneuver.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Trostle on August 06, 2022, 11:56:23 PM

What I would like to know is if there are any practice circles added. I was there in 2014 and I concur with Keith T about the sorry condition of the grass circles. Maybe this time the organizers arranged some off-site practice circles? That would be nice!

Keith R

I do not know what practice facilities are being provided by the host at this World Championships.  (Maybe Howard can tell us about it when he has some free time.)  What I have witnessed in the past is that practice facilities is that they are not more than an afterthought, if that, by the host country.  At least, the FAI rules regarding practice circles at the World Championships  now address the matter.  Interesting reading:

"At World and Continental Championships and other limited international contests, organisers shall also provide Practice Circle/s. These shall be located at the contest site itself, but in any event shall not require more than 30 minutes of normal travelling time to reach from the contest site. Organisers should provide a minimum of one Practice Circle for every 50 registered contestants. All Practice Circles shall be freely open and available for use by all contestants for at least the duration of the contest, plus also for a suitable time before the start of the contest. All Practice Circles should be as close as possible to the standard and maintenance conditions set out at paragraphs a) and/or b) above; but except for the marking of the centre of the centre (pilots') circle and the outside diameter circle, the marking of circles as described at paragraph c) above shall not be required. ..."

So, the rules ask that at least on circle per 50 contestants.  That means that a contestant might be able to get on practice flight in one day.  In the past, our team members have often found other venues for practice, sometimes not too successful. 

Keith
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Derek Barry on August 07, 2022, 04:01:36 AM
The US team did pretty good today. My man Orestes won!!!!
I came in 10th, Howard 15th, and Steven in 24 in some pretty windy conditions at times.

Great job Team!! Congratulations on the win Orestes!!

Derek
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 07, 2022, 05:18:35 AM
Unofficial US training center!!!

Practice all day! Already through 16 batteries.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Dwayne Donnelly on August 07, 2022, 10:04:29 AM
Are they not flying the 4th round?
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 07, 2022, 10:15:28 AM
The Warsaw World Cup is a 3 round event. So no 4th round
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: frank williams on August 07, 2022, 11:58:17 AM
  "........in the past, our team members have often found other venues for practice, sometimes not too successful. ....."

Didn't Hunt almost start WWIII one time?
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Trostle on August 07, 2022, 12:06:22 PM
  "........in the past, our team members have often found other venues for practice, sometimes not too successful. ....."

Didn't Hunt almost start WWIII one time?

I was not there, but I will let Bob answer that one.  I think that he or the other team members lost some film in that exercise.

Keith
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: James Mills on August 07, 2022, 12:08:59 PM
The US team did pretty good today. My man Orestes won!!!!
I came in 10th, Howard 15th, and Steven in 24 in some pretty windy conditions at times.

Awesome, keep rolling.

James
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 07, 2022, 01:37:07 PM
Just finished up late night practice. Here is a shot of Howard flying around the moon.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Howard Rush on August 07, 2022, 02:39:33 PM
Here is the first group of US F2B cheerleaders. We didn’t have time to wait for the white and blue ones because we had to practice our stunt.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Paul Walker on August 07, 2022, 02:53:28 PM
Just finished up late night practice. Here is a shot of Howard flying around the moon.

Hey  that looks like a hard surface!
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Paul Walker on August 07, 2022, 02:54:19 PM
Here is the first group of US F2B cheerleaders. We didn’t have time to wait for the white and blue ones because we had to practice our stunt.

Some, more so than others!
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 07, 2022, 03:08:45 PM
Hey  that looks like a hard surface!

Kind of! It is half circle on asphalt and the other half is a potato field. We only fly on the good half!!!
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: dale gleason on August 07, 2022, 04:27:37 PM
Howard, beware the Sirens! Adjust your Dog's LEDs accordingly. (Keep an eye on your Field Box)


dg
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Dan McEntee on August 07, 2022, 05:32:24 PM
Kind of! It is half circle on asphalt and the other half is a potato field. We only fly on the good half!!!

     That is almost always part of the story with WC events in Europe it seems like, really poor flying facilities. Makes you think you need a ship that is part airplane and part off road vehicle! I would think that a decent flying surface and facilities would be one of the requirements?
   Good Luck and Have Fun Guys!
     Dan McEntee
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Brett Buck on August 07, 2022, 05:39:35 PM
Here is the first group of US F2B cheerleaders. We didn’t have time to wait for the white and blue ones because we had to practice our stunt.

   Hmm, maybe I have been all turned around on this FAI thing?

    Brett
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Bob Hunt on August 07, 2022, 07:02:24 PM
And all I got was a stinking Gold Medal!  LL~ LL~ LL~ ::)

Bob Hunt
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Brett Buck on August 07, 2022, 07:10:11 PM
Howard, beware the Sirens! Adjust your Dog's LEDs accordingly. (Keep an eye on your Field Box)

   I figured it out, it's the Eastern European chapter of the Jivettes!

    Brett
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: wwwarbird on August 07, 2022, 08:01:10 PM
Here is the first group of US F2B cheerleaders. We didn’t have time to wait for the white and blue ones because we had to practice our stunt.

 Jivettes?
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Dan McEntee on August 07, 2022, 08:24:35 PM
Jivettes?

   I remember the Jivettes from the Stuka Stunt days. Looks like they are holding up pretty good!

    Type at you later,
    Dan McEntee
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: jerry v on August 07, 2022, 08:45:55 PM
Orestes is a Prince Charming!

Good luck!

Jerry
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Brett Buck on August 07, 2022, 08:51:43 PM
Howard, beware the Sirens!

  And turn down any invitations to a pig roast.

    Brett
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Tom Luciano on August 08, 2022, 06:39:55 AM
Here is the first group of US F2B cheerleaders. We didn’t have time to wait for the white and blue ones because we had to practice our stunt.

And they say Combat guys get all the chicks!  This is great motivation for me to improve my pattern! Or is it because an ex combat guy is there!
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 08, 2022, 08:36:52 AM
Opening ceremony
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: John McFayden on August 08, 2022, 09:15:43 AM
Konstantin Bajaikine representing Canada.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 08, 2022, 12:47:45 PM
Here is the link to the flight order for the week. They will be posting the scores as well as they happen!!
http://cl-f2abcd-wchs2020.pl/wch2022f2/draw_online/f2b_so1-4.pdf

Also here is a shot of Steven with the bronze metal for junior in Warsaw World Cup.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Steve Helmick on August 08, 2022, 02:02:04 PM
Good to see that Howard is "social distancing" per team manager's orders.  VD~ Steve
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Ken Culbertson on August 08, 2022, 02:44:47 PM
Here is the link to the flight order for the week. They will be posting the scores as well as they happen!!
http://cl-f2abcd-wchs2020.pl/wch2022f2/draw_online/f2b_so1-4.pdf

Also here is a shot of Steven with the bronze metal for junior in Warsaw World Cup.
Will they be showing the scores like they did for the World Cup?  I can't find anything on the FAI site.

Ken
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 08, 2022, 03:01:57 PM
Will they be showing the scores like they did for the World Cup?  I can't find anything on the FAI site.

Ken

They will be. Go to the results tab on the web page and it is supposed to be the same as for the World Cup.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 08, 2022, 03:03:32 PM
Here is the link to the results page.
http://cl-f2abcd-wchs2020.pl/results/
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Ken Culbertson on August 08, 2022, 03:12:56 PM
Here is the link to the results page.
http://cl-f2abcd-wchs2020.pl/results/
Nothing posted yet.  When does the flying start?

Ken
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Steve Helmick on August 08, 2022, 03:21:56 PM
Nothing posted yet.  When does the flying start?

Ken

When the weenies are ready?  LL~ Steve
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Mike Palko on August 08, 2022, 03:55:38 PM
Congratulations Steven!

Good luck to the US team this week!

Mike
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: mike londke on August 08, 2022, 05:01:29 PM
Congrats Steven.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: john e. holliday on August 08, 2022, 09:19:49 PM
Congrats Steve on your placing.   Stay with it and you will be a champion. H^^   

Now the pic with all the good looking ladies, they are nice to look at but what else can they do? ???
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 08, 2022, 09:55:11 PM
Nothing posted yet.  When does the flying start?

Ken
This morning starts the first round.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Mike Alimov on August 09, 2022, 05:19:00 AM
Cool. Looking at the list of contestants, the country best represented in stunt is... Mongolia! Three adults, a junior and a female junior (I assume that's what the JW stands for?).
Has anyone been following Mongolian stunt?
Also, Slovakia appears to list two juniors -isn't only one allowed per team? Not trying to stir any trouble, just want to understand the rules...
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: John McFayden on August 09, 2022, 05:36:05 AM
Here is a link to the weather for the area. Light rain, 11 km/hr (7 mph) wind and 22 C (72 F)

https://www.accuweather.com/en/pl/w%C5%82oc%C5%82awek/263632/weather-forecast/263632
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 09, 2022, 06:34:24 AM
Half of the first round is over. Weather delay right now.
Howard put up a really good flight in the first round. I had a decent first flight. Still have Orestes and Steven to go today.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: big ron on August 09, 2022, 06:36:44 AM
Congratulations Steven! Good luck to the rest of the team also.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Paul Van Dort on August 09, 2022, 07:39:30 AM
Is everybody flying the electrical "Shark" ARF these days? :-(
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Dwayne Donnelly on August 09, 2022, 08:09:12 AM
Is everybody flying the electrical "Shark" ARF these days? :-(

There's quite a few of them, along with others that look similar.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Tim Wescott on August 09, 2022, 08:38:40 AM
I assume scoring is from 1-10. The highest scores I saw from the top guys were a few 9.5s. A general judging comment, did the judges not see a single perfect maneuver, OR would they not know one of they saw it, OR, do they refuse to reward a perfect maneuver.

I don't think I've ever seen an absolutely perfect maneuver, although I've probably given 40 points a few times when I was being too generous.

There's always faults.  The difference is that the world class folks in their top form serve up faults in inches, while the rest of us serve them up in feet.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Paul Walker on August 09, 2022, 11:08:01 AM
Joe, will they or have they started the second round on this Tuesday?

OK  I see that rounds 1 and 2  are running at the same time, and will take 2 days to complete. Then on to 3, 4.

I know you guys are saving your best for later rounds!
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Fred Underwood on August 09, 2022, 12:17:36 PM
Here is the weather link above, and a link to the active score page.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/pl/w%C5%82oc%C5%82awek/263632/current-weather/263632

http://cl-f2abcd-wchs2020.pl/wch2022f2/results_online/f2b/results.html

And again, if you tap on a total score, you can see the maneuver scores, and judges.






Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Dwayne Donnelly on August 09, 2022, 01:35:14 PM
Posted on facebook by our Canadian pilot to our American friends  ;D
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Brett Buck on August 09, 2022, 01:40:37 PM
I don't think I've ever seen an absolutely perfect maneuver, although I've probably given 40 points a few times when I was being too generous.

  I have seen a fair number of what I would consider perfect maneuvers while judging or coaching,  and have gotten a number of 40s of various maneuvers myself at times. This years NATS, for example, the one score sheet I saw (because I normally don't look at them) might have had a 40 point takeoff or inverted flight from both judges.

     That is not to say anyone has mastered it, it was very rare that someone got perfect scores on the same maneuver on two consecutive flights.

    There *lots* of mistakes in even the very best, championship-winning, flights. That does not preclude the possibility (and you have to be willing to give) a perfect score every now and then when you can't see an error.

     Brett
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 09, 2022, 02:21:55 PM
Joe, will they or have they started the second round on this Tuesday?

OK  I see that rounds 1 and 2  are running at the same time, and will take 2 days to complete. Then on to 3, 4.

I know you guys are saving your best for later rounds!
Yes, the 1st and 2nd round will be over tomorrow and 3 and 4 will be over Friday.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Ken Culbertson on August 09, 2022, 02:57:09 PM
  I have seen a fair number of what I would consider perfect maneuvers while judging or coaching,  and have gotten a number of 40s of various maneuvers myself at times. This years NATS, for example, the one score sheet I saw (because I normally don't look at them) might have had a 40 point takeoff or inverted flight from both judges.

     That is not to say anyone has mastered it, it was very rare that someone got perfect scores on the same maneuver on two consecutive flights.

    There *lots* of mistakes in even the very best, championship-winning, flights. That does not preclude the possibility (and you have to be willing to give) a perfect score every now and then when you can't see an error.

     Brett
Anyone who saw Al Rabe fly much has seen a 40 point landing.

Ken
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Dan McEntee on August 09, 2022, 06:09:40 PM
Here is the weather link above, and a link to the active score page.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/pl/w%C5%82oc%C5%82awek/263632/current-weather/263632

http://cl-f2abcd-wchs2020.pl/wch2022f2/results_online/f2b/results.html

And again, if you tap on a total score, you can see the maneuver scores, and judges.

     Has anyone else noticed a familiar name on the entry list? 

  Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Dick Byron on August 09, 2022, 06:21:41 PM
Ruslan?
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Dan McEntee on August 09, 2022, 06:40:21 PM
Ruslan?

   No, not him exactly. A good observation but not who I am thinking of.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 10, 2022, 12:52:42 AM
Day 2 starting soon. Steven is up first on circle A and Orestes is up 4th on circle B.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Howard Rush on August 10, 2022, 02:12:10 AM
Orestes and Steven flew good stunt this morning. Joe and I fly later.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: John Paris on August 10, 2022, 05:08:55 AM
Cool. Looking at the list of contestants, the country best represented in stunt is... Mongolia! Three adults, a junior and a female junior (I assume that's what the JW stands for?).
Has anyone been following Mongolian stunt?
Also, Slovakia appears to list two juniors -isn't only one allowed per team? Not trying to stir any trouble, just want to understand the rules...

Mike,
Your observation was interesting so looking over CIAM rules I found this:

C.5.3 National team for World and Continental Championships
a) For those categories that do not have separate Junior World and Continental Championships, a
national team may consist of a maximum of 5 individual competitors or 5 pairs of competitors for
each category, providing that at least one competitor (or pair) is Female and at least one is Junior;
and a Team Manager.

All Females and Juniors will compete for the overall individual classification. Additionally, there is a
Female classification and a Junior classification, both with FAI medals and diplomas.

Since the Juniors (and Females) are combined with the Seniors for flying, perhaps they consider this not to be separate championship.  Hopefully someone with a little more experience will chime in.

John
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Bruce Shipp on August 10, 2022, 06:20:25 AM
Confused by the scoreboard. Can anyone tell why some pilots have a 2 be round score posted but no first?

How about a quick tutorial on round structure, qualification and finals?  Thanks from someone not familiar with WC contest formats.

 Bruce
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Paul Walker on August 10, 2022, 09:21:49 AM
Confused by the scoreboard. Can anyone tell why some pilots have a 2 be round score posted but no first?

How about a quick tutorial on round structure, qualification and finals?  Thanks from someone not familiar with WC contest formats.

 Bruce

The word "round" is somewhat inaccurate, but that is the best word chosen.
They will fly 4 rounds. Rounds 1 and 3 will have the same set of judges  as will 2 and 4. The contestants final qualifying score will be the sum of the highest of the scores from round 1 and 3 and the highest score from rounds 2 and 4.

The top 15 move on to the finals. There it is the best 2 out of 3 flights for the finals score.

Simple, eh?
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 10, 2022, 09:23:08 AM
Hey Bruce I will try to explain. The run both rounds at the same time. Round 1 for everyone is circle A and Round 2 is circle B for everyone. Tomorrow starts rounds 3 and 4 and they finish on Friday. Hope that helps.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Bruce Shipp on August 10, 2022, 11:06:01 AM
Thanks, gentlemen. Just what I was asking.

Bruce
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Dan McEntee on August 10, 2022, 12:48:40 PM
  I'm typing this at 1:47PM CDT. How far ahead is the time in Poland? They should be pretty much through for the day?
   Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: john e. holliday on August 10, 2022, 01:02:48 PM
Hey Dan, it is 6 hours difference between here and England so I would say my time now is 02:00 CDST  which be about 11:00 PM there in Poland or past bed time.   I know there a conversion chart some where but I can't find it. D>K
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 10, 2022, 01:14:03 PM
7 hours  ahead of central time. First and second rounds over. Orestes 2nd, I am 18th, Howard 20th and Steven 31st and 5th in junior all with 2 rounds to go. Howard and I are right there and with good flights tomorrow we should be in the hunt for 15th which gets us into the finals.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: NED-088 on August 10, 2022, 01:33:54 PM
Poland is (like it is over here too) UTC +2.
Learn your local UTC time difference and you can easily calculate time for any place in the world (except N- and S pole, of course... ;D )
I have no clue what CDT and CDST are. Sounds like some regional standard to me...  ;)

Question for Howard:

Is the contest (grass)site just as appalling as it was in 2014 (when we both were there)? The grounds that wrecked Kenny's ship, such a shame.
I recognised the training 'facility', seems to be just the same still. They've had 8 years to sort that out...This is why CL classes should have their championships separated, at dedicated facilities.


Meanwhile I gave up flying internationally. Maybe, if I find replacement batteries (in the EU, I can't afford any imports), I'd pick up the handle some time.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: john e. holliday on August 10, 2022, 01:48:39 PM
My bad,  CDST - Central Daylight Saving Time.   Or CDT - Central Daylight Time. D>K
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: AMV on August 10, 2022, 01:53:51 PM
See https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

 H^^
-Andrey
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Fred Underwood on August 10, 2022, 02:01:02 PM
For time, type -  time poland   -in a search.  It is Warsaw current time and is same as the site.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: David Ebers on August 10, 2022, 05:43:43 PM
I have one of the cheapest smart phone. It's clock app as a world clock function.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Trostle on August 10, 2022, 05:47:06 PM
It is also interesting to watch the scores for the Team Championship.  Right now after these three rounds, it is close (well, reasonably close) between Slovakia and the USA for 1st and 2nd, respectively.  Not too distant is France and then Germany, respectively.  Of course, the Team Championship is not determined until the Finals rounds (top 15) are completed. 

The team placing is based on the ranking of the top 3 flyers from the country.  Since the Junior's placing can be higher than other members of the country's team, the Junior's placing can become important to the team standings.  This has happened in the past, including previous USA teams.

Team placings are based on the sum of the ordinal rankings of the individual team members.

Keith
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Paul Walker on August 10, 2022, 06:34:48 PM
It is also interesting to watch the scores for the Team Championship.  Right now after these three rounds, it is close (well, reasonably close) between Slovakia and the USA for 1st and 2nd, respectively.  Not too distant is France and then Germany, respectively.  Of course, the Team Championship is not determined until the Finals rounds (top 15) are completed. 

The team placing is based on the ranking of the top 3 flyers from the country.  Since the Junior's placing can be higher than other members of the country's team, the Junior's placing can become important to the team standings.  This has happened in the past, including previous USA teams.

Team placings are based on the sum of the ordinal rankings of the individual team members.

Keith

I must be missing something. Slovakia is 1, 7, 10 for a total of 18.
USA is 2, 18, 20 for a total of 39.
That looks like a convincing SVK team win at this point.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Trostle on August 10, 2022, 07:15:44 PM
I must be missing something. Slovakia is 1, 7, 10 for a total of 18.
USA is 2, 18, 20 for a total of 39.
That looks like a convincing SVK team win at this point.

Hi Paul

It looks like you are giving the placings at the end of round 2.

Right now, I can only find the scores/positions for the end of round 3.  What I can find shows no scores yet posted for round 4.

For the end of Round 3, the USA top positions are 1, 9, and 15 for a total of 25, while Slovaki has 2, 6, and 13 for a total 21.  All I am saying is that the team standings are a bit closer at the end Round 3 than they were at the end of Round 2.

Given that there could be even slight position changes in the 4th round and in the finals, the team title might be close.

If my information is not up to date and there is an update somewhere to show the beginning of the 4th round, I would like to see it.

Yes, I understand that there is a different mix between pilots and judges in this next 4th round.  All I am saying things got closer at the end of the 3rd round.

Keith
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: John McFayden on August 10, 2022, 07:42:17 PM
The US 1, 9 and 15 placings are for the World Cup not the World Championships. There have only been 2 rounds at the World Championships.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Trostle on August 10, 2022, 10:41:19 PM
The US 1, 9 and 15 placings are for the World Cup not the World Championships. There have only been 2 rounds at the World Championships.

My mistake.

Keith
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Dwayne Donnelly on August 11, 2022, 06:09:08 AM
https://www.facebook.com/pampacl
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 11, 2022, 11:09:15 AM
Todays flying is over . Not a great day for me. I didn’t have one of my best flights and a combination of flying through the sun twice and a 90 degree wind shift didn’t help the cause either. Howard had similar issues as we both flew at the same time. Steven had a good flight and put up one of his best scores. Orestes had a really good flight this morning, however his score didn’t reflect it as he was the first one up for the day. We need a big day tomorrow to have any chance of metaling as a team.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Bob Hunt on August 11, 2022, 12:05:25 PM
Hi Joe:

You guys just do your best and don't worry about it. We all fully support our team no matter what the outcome.

Go get 'em.

Bob Hunt
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Darkstar1 on August 11, 2022, 01:15:57 PM
Todays flying is over . Not a great day for me. I didn’t have one of my best flights and a combination of flying through the sun twice and a 90 degree wind shift didn’t help the cause either. Howard had similar issues as we both flew at the same time. Steven had a good flight and put up one of his best scores. Orestes had a really good flight this morning, however his score didn’t reflect it as he was the first one up for the day. We need a big day tomorrow to have any chance of metaling as a team.

Check your PM
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Matt Colan on August 11, 2022, 01:18:03 PM
Todays flying is over . Not a great day for me. I didn’t have one of my best flights and a combination of flying through the sun twice and a 90 degree wind shift didn’t help the cause either. Howard had similar issues as we both flew at the same time. Steven had a good flight and put up one of his best scores. Orestes had a really good flight this morning, however his score didn’t reflect it as he was the first one up for the day. We need a big day tomorrow to have any chance of metaling as a team.

Do they take the best flight from rounds 1&2 and then the best flight from rounds 3&4?
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Mike Ferguson on August 11, 2022, 01:27:40 PM
Do they take the best flight from rounds 1&2 and then the best flight from rounds 3&4?

Best score from rounds 1 & 3, added to best score of rounds 2 & 4, if I read correctly above.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Carl Cisneros on August 11, 2022, 02:45:20 PM
and, LETS NOT FORGET THE OTHER DISCIPLINS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Alex Vilashev (USA) has the new World Record in F2A (CL Speed):  308.8 kph. (191.456 mph if my old math still holds up)

Carl
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Dan McEntee on August 11, 2022, 07:58:55 PM
and, LETS NOT FORGET THE OTHER DISCIPLINS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Alex Vilashev (USA) has the new World Record in F2A (CL Speed):  308.8 kph. (191.456 mph if my old math still holds up)

Carl

      Alex is a frequent visitor to the speed circle at Buder Park. He has been at the F2A thing for quite a while now and after watching him from a distance while he works on his models, it's easy to understand that he would be at the top pf the heap and be there for a while. He's quiet and focused on what ever it is he is doing but will take the time to answer a question if I can think of something intelligent to ask! Hi son is coming along right in his footsteps and it's quite possible that this father/son team may dominate the event for a while yet.
 Type at you later and Good Luck Team USA,
    Dan McEntee
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 12, 2022, 06:09:20 AM
Qualification rounds are over . Finals start in a little while. Orestes 2nd, me 24th, Howard 26th, and Steven 27th. In my opinion Orestes has been the class of the field! But we will see what the judges think by tomorrow afternoon.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Tom Luciano on August 12, 2022, 06:40:34 AM
Congratulations to all on a great effort. Let's go "O!!"
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: John McFayden on August 12, 2022, 06:43:21 AM
Konstantin made the Finals. Go Canada!
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Joseph Daly on August 12, 2022, 10:01:57 AM
First round of fly off is over. Orestes 5th and Konstantin 14th. And when those 2 flew the wind really picked up to at 15 plus while the others enjoyed the good air. The luck of the draw! More to come tomorrow.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Dwayne Donnelly on August 12, 2022, 11:05:00 AM
Konstantin made the Finals. Go Canada!

I saw that as well, did you see the pics of opening  ceremonies? He's the only Canadian, I should of gone. Oh well maybe next time...lol Go Canada!!  ;D
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: bob whitney on August 12, 2022, 01:55:57 PM
  "........in the past, our team members have often found other venues for practice, sometimes not too successful. ....."

Didn't Hunt almost start WWIII one time?

  in spain the F2C guys practiced on a Bull Ring parking lot that was so rough that we put duck tape on top of the fuse so if u missed  catch u wouldnt sand it down
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Air Ministry . on August 12, 2022, 06:36:25 PM
and, LETS NOT FORGET THE OTHER DISCIPLINS,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Alex Vilashev (USA) has the new World Record in F2A (CL Speed):  308.8 kph. (191.456 mph if my old math still holds up)

Carl


     308.8 = 191.87942 according to the confuser . call it 191.88 .

after all , .423 mph is . 423 mph ! .  :)    S?P
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: PerttiMe on August 13, 2022, 01:11:24 AM
Some have already flown two F2B flyoff rounds, but there's some strong results from people who have only flown one. Igor Burger....
http://cl-f2abcd-wchs2020.pl/wch2022f2/results_online/f2b/results.html
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Keith Renecle on August 13, 2022, 04:59:07 AM
O.K. so it is a done deal! Igor 1st by 0.25 of a point from Zbynek Kravcik of the Czech Republic in 2nd place, and by about 12 points over Orestes in third place. Congrats to all of these guys, especially to Igor for being a 3-time world champ!
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Paul Walker on August 13, 2022, 05:39:05 AM
Congratulations to all involved. It looked like a very tough battle.

It appears that Team USA held on to win the bronze team medal.  Well, upon further review, Team CZE finished just ahead of them. My bad.
Go enjoy the banquet, and have a safe trip home.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: James Mills on August 13, 2022, 06:46:56 AM
Looks like it was a very tough contest, great job Team USA!.

James
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Dan McEntee on August 13, 2022, 08:36:00 AM
Congratulations to all involved. It looked like a very tough battle.

It appears that Team USA held on to win the bronze team medal.  Go enjoy the banquet, and have a safe trip home.

    Yes, go enjoy the banquet. I have been involved with other world championships, and the party at the end is what you will remember the most, that isi why you go! Congrats to all!
    Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Shorts,David on August 13, 2022, 06:54:58 PM
Pictures Joe, Howard? Any pictures of what the top guys are flying? One person said everything is a clone. Is there any variety out there. Last WC Masaru Hiki was the highest glow finish in 6th place. Have things changed much since then?
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: John McFayden on August 13, 2022, 07:04:27 PM
Hundreds of photos here.

https://www.facebook.com/pampacl

Lots of variety.
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Derek Barry on August 13, 2022, 07:54:26 PM
Great job Team, and congratulations to Orestes for making the podium.  Have a safe trip home!

Derek
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Howard Rush on August 14, 2022, 03:14:56 AM
Pretty cool. I’ll post more when I get home. 
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Paul Walker on August 14, 2022, 06:16:15 PM
At the closing ceremonies or the Banquet  did they mention where the 2024 WC's would be??
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: Air Ministry . on August 14, 2022, 09:47:32 PM
Nice to see theyre not all stuck in the mud .  S?P

(https://scontent.fbne8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/298589318_2908742469272152_7580803140364005807_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=0debeb&_nc_ohc=o_j6e514yjYAX_GQGLY&_nc_ht=scontent.fbne8-1.fna&oh=00_AT8128SVkBWdDuMRBGcdVZ57d_z1kPbeNawXeaEyoc3yIg&oe=62FF74ED)
Title: Re: World Championships
Post by: john e. holliday on August 15, 2022, 12:43:20 PM
Thanks for the pictures even though there none of combat.  Congrats to all who participated.  Too bad our Muncie site could not be used for the next champs. D>K