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Online Howard Rush

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Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« on: December 07, 2018, 10:35:15 PM »
It is important to have Crescent wrenches in both metric and inch sizes.  You probably ought to have a Whitworth, too.
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2018, 10:49:23 PM »
WHY? <=
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2018, 10:52:04 PM »
  But these are Craftsmen! How can you use them for a procedure if the manual calls for a Crescent wrench?  And these pictured are only right handed wrenches. What are the lefties of the shop supposed to use?
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2018, 11:03:20 PM »
Once again, we are being subjected to "jive."  Not sure if it is hand-jive or photo-jive or what.

Maybe those modern Craftsman wrenches work on electrics. But if you don't fly that modern electric crap, you need one of these. With the adjustable wrench, you can fix a Fox .35 needle valve--as good as it can be fixed. Or, if you engine has bigger issues, just use the hammer side.

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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2018, 11:18:57 PM »
I’m not sure if whitworth (BSW) would work on (BSF), so you may consider adding one of those to your tool box as well.
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2018, 12:03:42 AM »
No matter the bolt head you need to round, the JCT has an adjustable wrench to grind it right down. 
You seek a precise unit of measure? 
The JCT spins the threads and torques it with pleasure.
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2018, 02:23:40 AM »
Some call what I grew up calling Crescent Wrenches as Stillsons. So I have those in both Metric and Standard....
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2018, 05:31:48 AM »
Maybe this should be added to Our Canadian friends thread...lol
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2018, 07:04:21 AM »
My grandmother, who read the newspaper accounts of the Wright's first flight and watched Neil walk on the moon, used Stilson wrenches.  So I use Stilson wrenches on My prewar engines
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2018, 09:43:18 AM »
Slip joint pliers will do the job in all metric and inch sizes.  My pliers work great either right hand or left hand. D>K
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2018, 12:06:42 PM »
Quote from: Howard Rush on December 07, 2018, 10:35:15 PM
It is important to have Crescent wrenches in both metric and inch sizes.  You probably ought to have a Whitworth, too.

Since I ride a Triumph, it is necessary to keep a Whitworth Cresent wrench in the tool bag under the seat.
And good luck finding a left hand Whitworth cresent wrench. I don’t think they have been made since the
sixties.

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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2018, 12:41:26 PM »
   These are also fondly referred to by some as Arkansas One-Size-Fits-All wrenches!  A ten or twelve inch always went with me when trail riding or enduro racing. Loop several tire tube rubber bands together, then secure the wrench to the fork tubes in front of the triple clamps. A smaller version goes in the tool bag or pocket of my Belstaff jacket. The right size and brand can also double as a hammer when needed. The handle can also serve as a tire tool in an emergency and you need an extra one. These are kind of like Vise Grips in tha t you can't have too many of them in several sizes. And some times it is THE perfect tool for the job. At the Reno Air Races in 1999, I had the pleasure of attending and working with Chris McMillin crewing his Pitts Special in the Sport BiPlane class. We were service and prepping the plane for the  final race, and Chris had changed oil in the engine and drained the old oil by way of an extension tube out the bottom and that was capped with a pipe plug. The cowl was put back on and work had begun taping things up and trying to make the airplane as slick as possible. Chris suddenly had some apprehension that he had not tightened to drain plug. He had used a combination wrench when he had the cowl off, but that would not do the job with it on and things all taped up with nice sticky tape. I asked if he could reach it from the lower rear portion of the cowling and he said yes but the wrench would not fit. Out comes the good old Arkansas One-Size-Fits-All! One that was small enough to fit the palm of his hand and he was able to work his way up to the plug and put some torque on it and be confident that all was as it should be. Kind of important in that situation. Nothing like having the right tool for the job!
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2018, 12:53:11 PM »
A Stilson wrench is a pipe wrench.
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2018, 01:10:15 PM »
Yep and you can round off a bolt or nut way faster with it
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2018, 01:30:17 PM »
In the spirit of political incorrectness we used to refer to them as “Ukranian socket sets” with all due deference to our substantial population with Ukranian roots.

In hindsight with their European origin maybe they were actually metric sizes.
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2018, 02:12:03 PM »
The name on the wrenches says it all. Only a true craftsman would see the need for both metric and English sizes. The rest of us would just be blissful in our ignorance.  n~
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2018, 02:38:13 PM »
I believe Dave Hulls picture of a "Ford Wrench" is a Stiltson wrench, the jaws were straight and rigid, "Pipe Wrenches" such as Rigid makes have teeth in the jaws and the top jaw is flexible to grab on to round pipe. I also think if I remember back to my apprentice ship they were called "Monkey Wrenches". Journeymen loved to tell the new apprentices to go get them a "left handed monkey wrench". Didn't take too many trips to the gang box to figre out you were getting your balls busted, as a right of passage.
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2018, 04:39:49 PM »
Quote from: Howard Rush on December 07, 2018, 10:35:15 PM
It is important to have Crescent wrenches in both metric and inch sizes.  You probably ought to have a Whitworth, too.

And if you order them direct from the JCT they offer free shipping.
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2018, 05:10:09 PM »
You guys need to get with the times.  The updated solution.
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2018, 05:54:02 PM »
Quote from: frank williams on December 08, 2018, 12:53:11 PM
A Stilson wrench is a pipe wrench.

Correct
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2018, 05:56:17 PM »
Quote from: Dan McEntee on December 07, 2018, 10:52:04 PM
  But these are Craftsmen! How can you use them for a procedure if the manual calls for a Crescent wrench?  And these pictured are only right handed wrenches. What are the lefties of the shop supposed to use?
  Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee

FWIW, I have a left handed adjustable wrench. It isn't a Crescent but the thumb does work backwards from a normal one. It's weird.
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2018, 06:14:15 PM »
Those wrenches don’t have vortex generators on them. I’m disappointed.
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2018, 07:11:50 PM »
Pliers get a better grip.


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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2018, 08:14:15 PM »
I laughed so hard at these comments I wrenched my "Part Italian" back!
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2018, 09:59:02 PM »
But where can I find a Left Handed One???? LL~
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2018, 10:58:46 PM »
For a left handed one you might have to check out Ned Flander’s Leftoreum store in Springfield.
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2018, 04:44:07 AM »
I reluctantly attended a speed contest in central Florida. While observing a skilled Cuban speed flyer  from  The Miami area, he asked for help "Please, pass me the Puerto Rican Wrench out of my tool box.". Not wanting to look stupid & fancying myself as a bit of a mechanic , I asked no questions & looked into his assortment of tools, hoping that a wrench would have Puerto Rico imprinted on it. No such Luck; but there was a Crescent Wrench on top.  I passed him that wrench & he smiled.
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2018, 12:32:42 PM »
Quote from: Howard Rush on December 07, 2018, 10:35:15 PM
It is important to have Crescent wrenches in both metric and inch sizes.  You probably ought to have a Whitworth, too.

 They're hanging on a hook in the garage, right by my 6 volt jumper cables.  :)
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #28 on: December 10, 2018, 06:12:35 AM »
"6 volt jumper cables," thats a new one I have to use! Anyway, there is no finer tool than a metric adjustable to remove muffler bearings, foofoo valves, and kenilli pins on a old fiat.
Yes, Stilsons are pipe wrenches not to be confused with adjustables.

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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #29 on: December 10, 2018, 08:44:25 AM »
Will someone please hand my a bucket of prop wash so I can clean my props?  LL~ LL~ LL~

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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2018, 08:50:14 AM »
Does anybody have a spare bag of sparks for the Angle Grinder ?
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2018, 12:33:07 PM »
Quote from: Gerald Arana on December 10, 2018, 08:44:25 AM
Will someone please hand my a bucket of prop wash so I can clean my props?  LL~ LL~ LL~

Jerry

And while your over there, get me the relative bearing grease.

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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2018, 02:02:25 PM »
Quote from: Larry Fernandez on December 10, 2018, 12:33:07 PM
And while your over there, get me the relative bearing grease.

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Larry you are a Navy man I take it?
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2018, 02:34:36 PM »
All of this guano hitting the rotary oscillator should be enough to fertilize the south 40
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2018, 02:42:45 PM »
Quote from: mike londke on December 10, 2018, 02:02:25 PM
Larry you are a Navy man I take it?

Yep
Did you ever have can of pop tall?

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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2018, 03:22:22 PM »
Quote from: Larry Fernandez on December 10, 2018, 02:42:45 PM
Yep
Did you ever have can of pop tall?

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You bet I have. Can you send me a box of radar contacts and 50ft of gig line?
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #36 on: December 10, 2018, 03:29:50 PM »
I have a left hand and a right hand and one especially designed for female use...……….
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #37 on: December 10, 2018, 03:35:09 PM »
Quote from: mike londke on December 10, 2018, 03:22:22 PM
You bet I have. Can you send me a box of radar contacts and 50ft of gig line?

No gig line here, but I do have about two hundred feet of chow line.

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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #38 on: December 10, 2018, 04:37:48 PM »
Quote from: Larry Fernandez on December 10, 2018, 03:35:09 PM
No gig line here, but I do have about two hundred feet of chow line.

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team


 LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~

Now that's funny Larry!

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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #39 on: December 10, 2018, 04:54:07 PM »
wwwarbird and Tom matter of fact 6 volt jumper cables are a thing they are a different thickness than the 12 volt. 6 volt American cars were popular in the 30’s and 40’s and foreign cars up until the 60’s
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #40 on: December 11, 2018, 11:52:19 AM »
Quote from: Tom Luciano on December 10, 2018, 06:12:35 AM
"6 volt jumper cables," thats a new one I have to use! Anyway, there is no finer tool than a metric adjustable to remove muffler bearings, foofoo valves, and kenilli pins on a old fiat.
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Not to mention using the metric adjustable to service the blinker fluid...
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« Reply #41 on: December 11, 2018, 02:05:14 PM »
I've finally got more nitro in my fuel than Howard.  y1 Steve
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #42 on: December 11, 2018, 02:20:05 PM »
When I started working in the shipyard (fishing boats...crab boats, trawlers and the occasional yacht) in Ballard, I was helping a Journeyman (he was a Navy WW2 Vet) pour a babbitt bearing, when he decided to send me for a lefthand monkey wrench. I just laughed and stayed put. I knew my way around the toolbox well already.

I'm wondering if Howard knows the names of the common different types of squares.  D>K Steve
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #43 on: December 14, 2018, 03:05:22 PM »
Funny...for working on my British bikes I have a set of Whitworth spanners from a company called "King Dick".I'm not kidding........Skip
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #44 on: December 14, 2018, 04:34:25 PM »
The New JCT Multi Wrench

Available in right and left hand versions
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #45 on: December 14, 2018, 05:07:12 PM »
Quote from: Bobs your Uncle on December 14, 2018, 04:34:25 PM
The New JCT Multi Wrench

Available in right and left hand versions


Can you please fix that JCT wrench to say "BFD" on the other end?  :! Steve
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #46 on: December 14, 2018, 05:40:54 PM »
Quote from: Skip Chernoff on December 14, 2018, 03:05:22 PM
Funny...for working on my British bikes I have a set of Whitworth spanners from a company called "King Dick".I'm not kidding........Skip

https://www.kingdicktools.co.uk
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #47 on: December 14, 2018, 06:20:46 PM »
But what is scary is if you go into a fancy restaurant in Britain and ask for spotted dick, they come right out with it....
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #48 on: December 14, 2018, 10:23:25 PM »
 King Dick and Snap On come highly recommend by the Jivettes work force.  ;D
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Re: Workshop Tip from the Jive Combat Team
« Reply #49 on: December 15, 2018, 12:46:43 AM »
I have a King Dick jack, in my MG. It is almost all SAE, BTW. I have used an adjustable wrench on many fasteners on it, but I wish I had used a pipe wrench on another oil system component on my 1999 racer. I made an emergency landing into Bridgeport, CA on the way home from Reno and eventually after another into Mammoth Lakes, CA found the oil temp bulb fixture was loose. I tightened it with a pipe wrench and safetied it with 1/4 inch cord!
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