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Title: Wood Wheel Pants
Post by: Steve Dwyer on March 02, 2025, 10:13:39 AM
I'm looking for videos/instructions for fabricating wheel pants.

Steve
Title: Re: Wood Wheel Pants
Post by: Dan McEntee on March 02, 2025, 10:19:04 AM
   Go to YouTube and the Walt Brownell Channel for a big selection of Windy videos. There are several other collections of Windy videos there also and I would imagine collectively they are all on YouTube.  Lots of stunt articles published over the years also that had built up wheel pants. Just looking through the AMA's plans list should at least give you the month/year/title of magazines with of a wealth of articles for stunt models. Search the building forums here on Stunthanger also. I'm sure it's been covered before!
  Type at you later,
  Dan McEntee
Title: Re: Wood Wheel Pants
Post by: Steve Berry on March 02, 2025, 10:34:48 AM
Sparky also has several videos on the StuntHangar channel.

Steve

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Title: Re: Wood Wheel Pants
Post by: Lauri Malila on March 02, 2025, 11:12:00 AM
I found some old photos, I hope you find them useful.
The pants are a little under 8" long and ready-to-paint weight for the pair was 14g. The steel shafts + washers + nuts weight 9g, they could as well be made from aluminium to save some weight.
The pants are carved from light (1/2") balsa halves and hollowed to 1/16" wall thickness. They are covered both in- and outside with 3/4oz. glass cloth, and some more gf layers near the mounting elements. There is threaded (M2) dural inserts in the aircraft plywood mounting elements. The pants are then screwed to 1mm  gf/cf plates that are clamped between the shaft shoulder and lg leg.
L
Title: Re: Wood Wheel Pants
Post by: Lauri Malila on March 02, 2025, 11:21:37 AM
..one more.
Title: Re: Wood Wheel Pants
Post by: FLOYD CARTER on March 02, 2025, 04:49:07 PM
I learned my lesson with wheel pants.  I built a scale/stunt GeeBee, Scale/stunt Lockheed Sirius with wheel pants when we flew in the airport parking area.   That was taken away and we have just grass.  I can't fly those planes anymore.
Title: Re: Wood Wheel Pants
Post by: Steve Dwyer on March 03, 2025, 06:33:26 AM
All good stuff, Windys description of flying off grass vs tarvia helped answer my questions on ground clearance dimensions.

Thanks
Title: Re: Wood Wheel Pants
Post by: Curare on March 03, 2025, 06:40:04 PM
I found some old photos, I hope you find them useful.
The pants are a little under 8" long and ready-to-paint weight for the pair was 14g. The steel shafts + washers + nuts weight 9g, they could as well be made from aluminium to save some weight.
The pants are carved from light (1/2") balsa halves and hollowed to 1/16" wall thickness. They are covered both in- and outside with 3/4oz. glass cloth, and some more gf layers near the mounting elements. There is threaded (M2) dural inserts in the aircraft plywood mounting elements. The pants are then screwed to 1mm  gf/cf plates that are clamped between the shaft shoulder and lg leg.
L

They are works of art Lauri.
Title: Re: Wood Wheel Pants
Post by: the original Steve Smith on March 03, 2025, 07:17:48 PM
Here is a video tutorial made by Bob 'Sparky' Storick the owner of this site:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMTxjHCFlnQ

Title: Re: Wood Wheel Pants
Post by: the original Steve Smith on March 03, 2025, 07:30:32 PM
Here is another one. Starts with the design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBxRHg_nzYo



Title: Re: Wood Wheel Pants
Post by: Phil J on March 04, 2025, 11:55:08 AM
Steve, 

There is a very nice article from Bob Hunt in Stunt New May / June 2015 on Wheel Pants It starts on Page 35.  It's very well written, as are all of Bob's journals.  There is a really nice section in the writeup that addresses
wheel pant alignment.

Happy Flying!

Phil J.
Title: Re: Wood Wheel Pants
Post by: Steve Dwyer on March 04, 2025, 02:11:37 PM
Thanks Phil, I'll check it out.

Steve
Title: Re: Wood Wheel Pants
Post by: FLOYD CARTER on March 04, 2025, 05:30:05 PM
My GeeBee scale/stunt has commercial fiberglass wheel pants from the R/C world. These might still be available in different sizes.  A computer search might find the source again.  Fiberglass sure beats having to carve them out of balsa/ply.
Title: Re: Wood Wheel Pants
Post by: Steve Dwyer on March 05, 2025, 03:11:22 PM
I fly on grass, I'm looking for the thinnest 2 or 2.5 in dia. very light wheels to fit into the wood wheel skirts. Brodak doesn't provide wheel thickness. Anyone have any recommendations?

Steve
Title: Re: Wood Wheel Pants
Post by: Phil J on March 06, 2025, 04:08:48 AM
Steve,

Dubro makes a narrow foam wheel,  The dimensions on DUB275SSL are 2.75" x .645 (just over 5/8) with a 1/8" axle hole.  Might be worth a look although they are a little bigger diameter than your looking for.

Happy Flying,

Phil J
Title: Re: Wood Wheel Pants
Post by: Paul Smith on March 06, 2025, 06:56:08 AM
The old Dave Brown "poker chip" plastic wheels were the thinnest wheels available.  They won't last too long on pavement.  For pavement flying, you need the Don's racing wheels which are both thin and durable.
Title: Re: Wood Wheel Pants
Post by: Ken Culbertson on March 06, 2025, 07:05:16 AM
There is a whole line of very cheap spoked plastic wheels, usually yellow or white on EBay and Amazon or the Chinese sites.  They are very thin and work fine BUT they ware out quickly.  The foam rubber wheel is easily replaced and if you bush them they are OK in pants.  The ones I have on my profile are 4 years old and still working fine.  I bushed them with a ball bearing.

If weight is not an issue and you fly over pavement the narrow hard rubber racing wheels are what we used "back in the day"

Ken
Title: Re: Wood Wheel Pants
Post by: EricV on March 06, 2025, 01:03:13 PM
Randy Smith included wood wheel pants instructions on most of his SV series plans...

I did them that way, they came out very light, even with the plywood insert and blind nut hardware installed... my goal was always to have both pants installed at a 1/2  ounce each or less fully painted and usually could hit the mark.

Sorry for some of the cell phone pic's, they were just documentary for myself at the time... didn't even review them to check if in focus, heh, but you get the gist.

EricV



Title: Re: Wood Wheel Pants
Post by: Steve Dwyer on March 07, 2025, 08:06:58 AM
I did discover in my on the shelf Vector 40 kit Randy's description for building wood wheel pants. The Skylark build I'm wrapping up never had wheel skirts so I'll follow Randy's method along with several other "split shell" builds I've found including Windy U's.

Thanks also for the wheel sourcing info. Gotta get moving on the skirts before flying weather is upon us here in upstate NY. Still getting snow today however, so we have a bit of time left.

Steve