Author Topic: Witchita Contest (Read 3504 times)

Jerry Leuty · « **on:** July 26, 2009, 06:00:40 PM »

What are the dates for the Witchita contest? Also I need the location of the flying site so I can try and get an RV camp site near there.

Marvin Denny · « **Reply #1 on:** July 26, 2009, 07:25:15 PM »

Aug 8th and 9th. Oliver and Fees streets intersection--- NW corner of the intersection
Contact M Denny at (316)838-8494 or Kevin Seaton (CD) at (316)775-3427

The site is on the south east side of town. near the Major streets of Oliver and Pawnee

Bigiron

clscale7 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 31, 2009, 10:23:00 AM »

Here is the contest flyer

BillLee · « **Reply #3 on:** July 31, 2009, 12:40:06 PM »

Or go here for a map to the flying site.

Regards,

Bill Lee

clscale7 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 07, 2009, 10:50:10 AM »

We are getting the field ready for the contest, the weather looks great, Hope to see everyone there!

Fred Cronenwett

Elwyn Aud · « **Reply #5 on:** August 08, 2009, 04:44:17 PM »

We got there around 1:00 Saturday and the flying was done for the day with the exception of a few lawn chairs that tried to take off in the stiff wind. We decided to go eat and then spent an enjoyable afternoon at the Wichita Aviation Museum.

Bob Reeves · « **Reply #6 on:** August 08, 2009, 06:18:41 PM »

Elwyn, How did Joe do? Did he fly the T-6?

catdaddy · « **Reply #7 on:** August 08, 2009, 07:01:11 PM »

Quote from: Bob Reeves on August 08, 2009, 06:18:41 PM

Elwyn, How did Joe do? Did he fly the T-6?

Yes he did. Not sure what his score was, but I believe he was one of only three Stunt pilots to fly.
I put up one practice flight with a combat plane and the wind blew it in on me on the upwind side. I broke a prop and that was enough for me. Tucker and I went to Finely's hobby shop then came back to the field and ate a sandwich courtesy of Linda Bob Gleason's spread fit for a King. Also had one of her brownies which was worth the three hour drive from Tulsa all by itself!

Bob Reeves · « **Reply #8 on:** August 08, 2009, 09:14:08 PM »

Can't wait to hear all the details, have an emotional investment in that Saito 40 on his T-6 and 20 MPH wind is a pretty good performance test.

Sure wished I could have made it but sometimes stuff just doesn't work out.

Elwyn Aud · « **Reply #9 on:** August 09, 2009, 06:15:45 PM »

Here's a few pics from Sunday. Not many flights today. I think the wind slacked up to just horrible after the first hour or so.

Marvin Denny · « **Reply #10 on:** August 09, 2009, 08:35:28 PM »

Quote from: Bob Reeves on August 08, 2009, 09:14:08 PM

Can't wait to hear all the details, have an emotional investment in that Saito 40 on his T-6 and 20 MPH wind is a pretty good performance test.

Bob Cast is correct in that Joe did well. The 40 sure did "wind up in the gentle breeze we had. Joe ALMOST got a 40 on his inverted flight with the T-6 but on the last quarter lap thwe wind pushed him down VERY slightly and he reflexedly corrected enough that the corrective move was detected by both judges. one judge gave a 38 and the other 39. In that "gentle breeze , that was extraordinary.
Joe did well. I do not know how he placed.
We managed judges ok after losing thre locals--- Tulsa and Dallas came through and I greatly thank them.

Bigiron
PS There were NO crashes caused by the wind.

Jim Kraft · « **Reply #11 on:** August 09, 2009, 09:56:05 PM »

It really was a great contest except for the flying. That part was real hard work. I think the wind was around 20 and gusting to 30 at times, and you never knew when it was going to hit you. I bit the bullet today and flew ( I use the term loosely ) Old time and advanced with my Ringmaster and Magician which I had not flown since Topeka's contest. I think I got in all the manuevers, sort of, and did not crash, but thought I was going to a couple of times.

Mike Greb entertained us on saturday flying his high speed Ringmaster and making 4" pullouts.

I don't think anybody got away without getting blown out of one manuever or another.

But, C/L flyers are just wonderful to be around, and we just had a great time visiting with every one.

And, then there was the food. We had a banquet at the field, thanks to the Gleasons, and the Schuette's, and then the banquet saturday night, thanks to the Wichita club and all the ladies that brought fabulous dishes. I will have to go back on my diet now that I am home.

One thing about it, if you wet your pants on one of those low pullouts, the hot wind would dry you out in no time.

Bob Reeves · « **Reply #12 on:** August 10, 2009, 01:37:31 AM »

Quote from: Marvin Denny on August 09, 2009, 08:35:28 PM

The 40 sure did "wind up in the gentle breeze we had. Joe ALMOST got a 40 on his inverted flight with the T-6 but on the last quarter lap thwe wind pushed him down VERY slightly and he reflexedly corrected enough that the corrective move was detected by both judges. one judge gave a 38 and the other 39. In that "gentle breeze , that was extraordinary.
Joe did well. I do not know how he placed.
We managed judges ok after losing thre locals--- Tulsa and Dallas came through and I greatly thank them.

Bigiron
PS There were NO crashes caused by the wind.

Hi Marvin, Glad to hear things went well, nobody lost an airplane and you were able to gather up enough help. Sure wished I'd been able to make it.

Joe and I have talked about the T-6 in the wind, it has almost no frontal area, thin airfoil and almost as much side area as it has wing. Not sure anything could keep it from acting like a kite in 20 MPH wind. Forgot what Joe told me it weighs but thinking it's close to 50 ounces on a 500 sq/in wing. It gives Joe and that little 40 a work out but sure looks good in the air.

Joe Gilbert · « **Reply #13 on:** August 10, 2009, 06:43:48 AM »

Wichita contest, wind, rain, hot, cold you can get all of them but have not seen snow. Good times, camaraderie, great food, Priceless. Yes the wind was up a fair amound but we flew any how. A great time was had by all there, thanks to all the Wichihawks and those who helped. The rest of us benefited from you work.

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #14 on:** August 10, 2009, 07:21:20 AM »

Bob,

The T-6 is a Don Hutchinson design, and does not have a “thin” airfoil. Unlike the Midwest/Brodak profile warbirds, Don’s, warbirds ALL have modern airfoils

Airfoils do not have to be 3" thick. These airplanes have airfoil sections that will work very well for the given design. These modern airplanes are designed for stunt, as opposed to the others, which are more sport type airplanes.

Correctly built, Don's airplanes are all excellent stunters.

Bob Reeves · « **Reply #15 on:** August 10, 2009, 08:07:50 AM »

Hope you didn't get the wrong impression, I love Don's war birds and the T-6 is a great looking and flying airplane. Just pointing out that it does much better when the wind isn't blowing but guess they all do no matter what the design.

Shultzie · « **Reply #16 on:** August 10, 2009, 09:45:09 AM »

Thanks for sharing the photos...especially the museum.
Ahhhh yes! Those were the daze days...when I lived in Kansas and Iowa and the memories of trying to fly my old Kenhi Cougars and Wildcats in those Mid West Plain states H^^winds that you could actually set your clocks with in the hot summmmmmmmmmmma times!!

Don Hutchinson AMA5402 · « **Reply #17 on:** August 10, 2009, 12:19:12 PM »

The warbirds tend to have a lot of side area, just the nature of the beast. Makes for good line tension overhead but can be a bit of a problem in the wind. The airfoil I use is the Lietz 3252 12, typically about 17% thickness, a reasonable number for this type model.
Don

James Lee · « **Reply #18 on:** August 10, 2009, 01:56:48 PM »

If you plan on warm to hot and a fairly stiff brreze, you will hit the Wichita forcast pretty close!!

But I haven't missed one in a loooong time. As Joe said, getting together with all the good people there is the best part, this year seeing the 'Silver Foxx' up and ambulatory was the best part! Lew is doing very well and is planning to fly at the Topeka contest the end of August. Of course, Julie may have a say in that!!
Joe Gilbert made that T-6 look very good in the breeze. That Saito was a one flipper and puttered around in fine style. There were some unplanned 'excursions' from the desired flight path....

And of course, Jim Kraft had those McCoy's running like clocks!!
Had a great time.

Later
Jim

Elwyn Aud · « **Reply #19 on:** August 10, 2009, 08:19:10 PM »

The profile looks just about perfect. I might have introduced a little bit of distortion during resizing so it might be even closer than it appears.

Jim Kraft · « **Reply #20 on:** August 11, 2009, 07:46:40 AM »

Thanks to Elwyn, we have documentation through pictures that stunt really did happen. Thanks Elwyn. Great shots as usual.

Joe Gilbert · « **Reply #21 on:** August 11, 2009, 08:17:47 AM »

That is the T-6 Don built to investigate elevator incidence and it is adjustable to +1 to -2 deg, flew the plane to death in every different incidence and flap to elevator position I could do and ended up with -2 deg. If you look close you can see the elevator showing a touch of up and flaps just apering to hang down and look at Ewyn's inverted pictures the flaps appear to hang down a touch and elevator running level with the stabilizer. The airplane is very stable and will go where you ask it to do. The plane is almost easy to fly no vices, just a good honeast plane.

Don Hutchinson AMA5402 · « **Reply #22 on:** August 11, 2009, 09:20:25 PM »

It's really +2 and -1 degrees. There are some very tiny marks on the fuselage side and an alignment rod to allow setting the stab very accurately. The stabilizer is presently set close to the +2 position. Somehow this experiment which should have had a second test article and flown just to gather data, instead morphed into a series of ten profile warbirds, all from WWII except the A1-H Skyraider.
Don