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Offline Jared Hays

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My FAA letter
« on: February 20, 2020, 12:54:31 AM »
Hey guys, I know this is a control line forum but many of us also fly RC including myself.  So I wanted to share my letter I'm writing to the FAA about their proposed rules for "Drones and UAS" in case some of you have yet written your letter to them time is running out, the deadline is March 2nd I believe.  Maybe my letter will give you some ideas or you have other things you'd like to add. So here it is.

I am writing today with regard to the FAA proposed rules to UAS and model aircraft.  Let me start off with a little bit about myself and previous model airplane history.  I am 36 years old and I'm a 3rd generation model aviation enthusiast.   My grandfather got my dad interested in building and flying model aviation when he was 12 years old. Now, he is 66 and still flies regularly to this day.  My grandfather built and flew models right up until about 2 weeks before his passing while being in his late 80's.  As a kid during school, all I could think about during the day was how can I make this day go faster so I can get home and work on my airplane so that this weekend I can go fly it with my dad.  Also, as a kid all I ever wanted to be when I grew up was a pilot.  Unfortunately, I never had the funds required to put myself through aviation flight school.  However, flying model aircrafts instead, has been a great compromise and has brought joy to my life since I cannot afford to fly full scale aircraft.   My father and I travel all over the country together to fly our planes at events all year long.  Our Father/Son relationship is one of a kind due to model aviation.  In today's  world where there is a disconnect between fathers and sons, I am so happy that I get to spend one of my favorite hobby's with my father and how close it has brought us together over our lifetime.  Not to mention the amazing people we have met, again all over the country and have become friends with, that also partake in this fine hobby.  Now that I am a middle aged man, not much has changed, I still have a passion for model aircraft and I can't wait to get home from my job to work on my airplanes so that this weekend I can go flying.  I myself have over 60 different model aircraft from as small as something that can fit in your hand all the way up to a 9 foot wingspan gas powered scale model aerobatic plane. We enjoy flying many different forms and types of model aircraft as well.  These would  include Radio Control, Control Line, and FPV (First Person View)and this is where I run into some issues with your proposed rules.  Because as they are currently written, you will destroy model aviation as a whole.  In some ways I think you are in fact trying to do this anyway, to clear the airways for commercial drone use.  I hope that's not the case and it's just a lack of understanding of model aviation and UAS or drones as a whole.
   You are unfortunately lumping in all forms of model aviation and calling them  a "UAS" or "Drones".  This is highly inaccurate.     For nearly a hundred years now,  hobbyist such as myself, have been flying model aircraft with no real safety issues or problems.  If anything the hobby has gotten safer with Radio Control models switching over from the old 72mhz system to the new 2.4ghz spread spectrum technology with channel hopping capabilities.  The chances of radio interference is much a thing of the past and having a plane get away from you due to this has been drastically reduced to almost nill.  Now one of the biggest things I don't think you are realizing is that us hobbyist that have been flying now for decades without issue is that we fly line of sight.  Meaning, we DO NOT fly beyond visual range because we have to see our plane to be able to fly it.  And most of the time we also fly with a spotter as a precaution to avoid other model aircraft that may be flying in the same airspace or for example if a clueless person wonders out on the area we intend on landing that we didn't see because our eyes are on our plane.  None of our model aircraft are designed to fly beyond visual range.  Also we generally fly in an oval racetrack layout mimicking a full scale airport traffic pattern, as we need ample space to take off and land.  We do not fly Radio Control models in a cylinder shape tube/box that you have imagined in your proposed rules.  The only aircraft we fly that actually do fly in this imaginary cylinder is in fact called Control Line.  However, these models are tethered,  and cannot fly any further away from us than the maximum line length (70 feet) will allow it, and in a circle pattern.  That's less length than many kids are seen flying a kite on, in an empty soccer field, on a windy day.  So with this in mind you need to, at a minimum, differentiate between model aircraft and "drones or UAS" as you call them.  Drones and UAS are not model aircraft.  They are a completely different machine, and the only thing they have in common with model aviation is that they are controlled remotely from the ground in most cases.  Drones have only been around now for about 5 years  and us model aviation enthusiasts have gotten a bad rap because of them.   Drones and UAS have the capabilities of being flown autonomously  and under GPS control, inherently meaning, they can easily be flown BEYOND line of sight with the only thing determining how far they can go is how long the battery or energy source can take them before being depleted.
   Now you are wanting remote ID on every single "Drone or UAS" starting in approximately  the next 3 years.  Here again This is where you need to differentiate model aviation and Drones into at least two groups.  For example, I propose these two groups.  The first does NOT need FAA Oversight, "Group A" being us Hobbyist where we are already flying; line of sight meaning again within visual range, at a restricted altitude below 400 feet,  in designated areas or areas where permission has been granted, and on private property.  This "Group A" would include every type of model airplane, Control Line (tethered models) , helicopters, flying wings, and multi-rotors not capable of autonomous flight.  Then the group where FAA Oversight, registration, remote ID tracking, and Insurance, IS needed.  Let's call it "Group B", Group B would consist of actual drones and UAS that ARE capable of flying beyond visual range (BVR) or beyond line of sight, flying in controlled airspace, or flying over populated areas including cities and events, and commercial use.  This group will consist of mainly; multi-rotors, flying wings, and First Person View (FPV) platforms that can and do carry autonomous flight control systems, GPS devices, and typically Camera's.
     Most of us that will be impacted by your proposed rules (a couple million of us) will fall into "Group A" and these rules are just ridiculous and here's why.  Now remember, I said I have over 60 model aircraft, varying in size from fit in your hand up to 9 foot wingspan.  Weight is critical on model aircraft they need to be as light as possible,  so any excess weight from un-needed equipment or details will drastically reduced flying time and quality of flight.  But that's just from the flight performance point of view.  Much more the factor here I have an issue with is, that I would have to register each plane individually for remote ID and tracking... over 60 aircraft remember.  I am already a registered member with the AMA (Academy of Model Aeronautics) and registered recreational flyer with the FAA from a couple years ago when you mandated us to register with you then.   Now a couple questions about this remote ID tracking device, I wonder how much is this going to cost to equip for each plane? Who is going to pay for the internet service for the planes to synch up to your supposed tracking app?  If we are flying in an area where there is no internet service then what?  How will this internet connection be paid for?  Are you expecting us the modelers in "Group A" to pay for this un-needed internet connection that should only apply to "Group B"? If so am I going to get basically like a cell phone data bill each month for 60 individual model airplanes?  Some of the planes I have, I might only fly once or twice a year or not at all.  If you're expecting us (the hobbyist modelers in Group A) to pay for that.  There is no way this hobby will be able to afford to continue.  So it is imperative that you differentiate "Drones and UAS" from Model Airplanes.  I also believe It's an invasion of privacy if you are uploading not only my models location with remote ID onto an app but my location as the pilot.  Now anyone with malicious intent can discover with this alleged app, Hey this guy isn't home right now because  he's out flying his model airplane so let's go break into his house and steal whatever we want.
   The next thing to consider is if you group us all together under these proposed rules.  You will again be fundamentally killing the hobbyist side off and by doing so, robbing today's and tomorrow's youth of a wonderful hobby where ones imagination is the sky's limit.  Even the Wright brothers had to build and experiment with models to see if flight could even be achieved before they tried to fly their first full scale heavier than air man carrying airplane in 1903.  We already have a commercial pilot shortage, and in my opinion the best full scale pilots are the ones that also fly model airplanes.  They just have a better understanding of how an airplane achieves flight and what it takes to maintain flight in an emergency situation.  There are already fewer and fewer kids showing interest in aviation but so much can be learned in the model aviation hobby that can be carried over and generate interest into the full scale aeronautical field.  So please don't detriment this hobby with these proposed rules and essentially steal this hobby away from my future children and the next generation who I hope have the same admiration I had growing up (as I mentioned at the beginning of this letter) to being so eager to learn how to build and fly model airplanes.  With the hopes of making it grow into a possible career out of it in their future.  We all will be sorry one day, if you do this.  I promise you, this hobby is 1000 times better (and worth protecting) than what I see most kids now a day's doing, which is having their faces buried in their parents iPhone or tablets playing video games.  This hobby can keep kids/adults busy for hours and hours while learning and socializing, heck in my scenario it kept 3 generations busy enjoying flying and building model airplanes.  As a kid and young adult, the model aviation hobby also kept me out of trouble when other kids my age were getting into drugs, alcohol, and other nefarious things. 
   The last issue I have is the provision of slowly restricting designated flying sites and not allowing new sites to form.  This is completely and inherently backwards. Instead of trying to shut down flying sites, the FAA should be proactive in working with the AMA, city, and state municipalities trying to gain more places for us model aviation enthusiasts to fly.  Not only would it help get youth interested and involved in this hobby which can lead to interest in the full scale aviation industry, but it would help alleviate the "Drone and UAS" and model aviators from flying in areas they might unknowingly find themselves unwanted at.   So help us get more designated flying sites or facilities rather than take them away.  By doing this, it would also help free up the airspace like I believe you are trying to do, to use for commercial drones and UAS.  One example of a place that makes a great flying site is on top of an old waste management facility or landfill, where once filled and capped, nothing can be built on top of it anyway.  These sites can become perfect for us, all we need as model aviation enthusiast is a flat grass strip for a runway and some open space.
   In conclusion I hope you realize that model aviation as I described in "Group A" or at a hobbyist level, is absolutely no threat to National Security, Privacy, or the National Airspace System (NAS).  We have already proven this with nearly a century worth of safe and fun flying.  We do NOT need FAA oversight or remote ID in model aviation.  Lets preserve this great hobby of model aviation for the future generations rather than regulate it into extinction.  We the hobbyist can surely, and have already co-existed with what I described as "Group B" and commercial drone and UAS systems,  we can easily share the airspace for e-commerce drone use, if that's what it comes to, down the road.  Please don't punish us  the hobbyist with these burdensome rules you are proposing that should only be relegated to autonomous, commercial, or beyond visual range type of flight systems.  I hope my letter has helped you understand and see the difference between model aviation and "Drone or UAS" flight. 

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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2020, 07:44:20 AM »
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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2020, 07:54:38 AM »
If the AMA had presented the FAA with a plan to keep model airplanes out of the way of real planes instead of asking the FAA to come up with a plan to keep model airplanes away from real planes none of this would have happened. It is now too late and we are at the mercy of the FAA no matter what the AMA is saying.
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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2020, 08:25:20 AM »
Hey Jared,

Nice write up on attempting to distinguish between the  "hobbyist" and the "unmanned world". It appears because the FAA will probably not require CL models to be equipped with identification/tracking hardware the CL folks are taking a "so what" attitude toward the RC struggle. I too posted a note last week on the Podcast subject posting with no responses.

I am a die-hard control line enthusiast that graciously flys CL at two RC fields, one as a member and the other as a guest, both have a small circle off to the corner they pay little attention to. There is also a park nearby where I have flown for several years with no complaints due to its remoteness from the public. So I see little concern as to any effect on my CL world.

Thinking, however, about your distinction between the two groups leads me to wonder what if I was sitting on the other side of the table for a moment. Think of yourself as the FAA director sitting with his lawyers with your letter in hand. They are faced with a serious problem to solve and feel it is only a matter of time before the public experiences an airspace catastrophe related to an unmanned device or whatever. 

I suspect what comes immediately into mind is the AMA and when they consider the hobbyist they also realize the AMA continues to endorse the development and operation of such unmanned beyond the line of sight equipment. One RC club closest to me has repeatedly reached out to its members to plead to the FAA to consider our heritage and history for over 100 years. Pleading that our members, many that are plus 60 in age are no risk to the public, and finally please consider excluding them from any regulation.
 
Now back to the letter in hand, how does it help the FAA solve its problem? They have a monumental extremely complicated task at hand to protect the public. If I was the director and the letter stated we as a private club will immediately support the FAA  by banning the use of all drone equipment on our property this might open my eyes.  Additionally, that we are in support of demanding the AMA exclude the same, delete all advertisements of such equipment in its magazine and take the stand the AMA will do what it can to help reduce the risk to our airspace. As a club taking this stand and putting some teeth in it might just give the FAA something to consider. Otherwise, I think your letter and the club format letters which are based more on emotion than support offer nothing to help solve this problem.  

Steve




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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2020, 08:46:51 AM »
Jared,

With the utmost of respect to a fellow GA Pilot and fellow modeler.

I don't believe anyone from the FAA is going to read your "entire" letter. Sure, you may get a short reply and a "Thank you for your concern and interest," kind of thing, but that's probably about it.

One of the reasons, sadly, is the FAA people are "inundated," each and every day, with letters of similar nature.

You could have a shot, one never really knows, so I do wish you luck.

One last thing, Yes, you can afford to be a pilot AND have access to your own aircraft. If you want to compare information about this just send a PM, "personal message."

Good luck,

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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2020, 09:38:20 AM »
Jared and Steve;

Your letters are a fantastic record of your modeling history. About the same as mine.

However; Do you really think those Horses a$$es are going to give a hoot about what we did as a kid? Yes, I think all kids should share a hobby (preferable aerodynamics) with their fathers as we did.

But, do you really think they give a damn what we did as children? With all this political CRAP that is going on? HB~>

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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2020, 09:47:06 AM »
Jared,

With the utmost of respect to a fellow GA Pilot and fellow modeler.

I don't believe anyone from the FAA is going to read your "entire" letter. Sure, you may get a short reply and a "Thank you for your concern and interest," kind of thing, but that's probably about it.

One of the reasons, sadly, is the FAA people are "inundated," each and every day, with letters of similar nature.

You could have a shot, one never really knows, so I do wish you luck.

One last thing, Yes, you can afford to be a pilot AND have access to your own aircraft. If you want to compare information about this just send a PM, "personal message."

Good luck,

CB

I have to agree.  If they can't read it in 5-10 seconds it goes in the trash. Reduce it down to a few short paragraphs with 5-6 sentences each and it has a better chance of being read. Otherwise it gets the same treatment as a 5 page resume compared to a 1 page resume. This is public relations 101.
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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2020, 10:19:36 AM »
Jared I can appreciate the time and effort you put in here.  I’m feeling a little guilty that as yet I haven’t written anything this go round- I did a couple years ago.  I’m also sure more than a few high points is about all they might read although the amount and content would show how passionate you are about it.
I do think the real object of the opposition is not being understood by our side.  I think those with money and clout on that side are more interested in clear airspace for money- making drones, not public safety.   When I do write I will try to address the gorilla in the sky.....

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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2020, 11:59:39 AM »
Well luckily there is no limit to how many letters you can send... so I may also send an abbreviated letter as you guys have suggested.   

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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2020, 12:06:17 PM »
Good point, why would FAA want to bother reading AMA modeler's letters! The ship has left the dock anyway, save your effort.

For years as a private pilot, I had a fond relationship with the FAA. I appreciated it when they issued my license, inspected my home built, issued my airworthiness certificate and visited our area to conduct flight safety seminars. And especially during the many hours flying they were with me. Discussing the weather with briefers, filing flight plans, seeking en-route weather forecasts, flight following, etc, etc where would I have been without them? I can only guess. 

I think the "horses asses" are in Muncie and not in Oklahoma City. The FAA has always done their job trying to keep us and the skies safe. And they are trying to continue to do the same now. I take exception in calling them the problem.

The AMA sat on their laurels for years enjoying the benefits of a loyal following. They have also enjoyed the financial benefit of new technology without regard to what the repercussions could be. Nope, no regard what so ever, ka chink, ka chink, and everything is ducky. Now their sheer negligence has backfired on them and on the many RC clubs supporting national. I wonder how the Muncie "h-a" will handle it explaining to the members they will have to accept these new regs being forced on them because they were remiss?  Will the magazine continue to advertise the drones, the culprit of this nightmare? 

It'll be interesting to find how this all shakes out.
 
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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2020, 02:22:13 PM »
What, are you a Fed yourself?
Don't con us on Muncie being bad and Ok City having anything to do with it. It's all DC, Bezos and any other outfit looking to control the sky.
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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2020, 02:38:52 PM »
Nope, I'm no fed just tired of receiving requests for help with a hopeless situation from a group of folks that have allowed it to be brought on themselves. The AMA should never have endorsed the drone market do you disagree? What would you recommend?

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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2020, 02:56:04 PM »
Letters are nice , but perhaps if the FAA saw film footage of youngsters flying nice looking, home -built models they'd scratch their heads a bit and hesitate .
Unfortunately, we'd need to fudge a lot  and show them faded film from decades ago when youth were a huge part of this wonderful hobby sport.
We're an aging demographic and matter very little to them.

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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #13 on: February 29, 2020, 03:02:05 PM »
I just received my March Model Aviation. Focal Point has a nice array of model color schemes and Control Line Combat has a 3 page Taking Stock story worth perusing
Interesting observation though, there is not one advertisement or story on quads or drones.  While the September 2018 issue I grabbed for comparison was full of information on them. Looks as though AMA finally got the message, but perhaps a bit too late. The cover has a fly-sheet pressing everyone to get out their comments on the proposed rule before the 3/2.

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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #14 on: February 29, 2020, 04:21:10 PM »
      My letter I just sent in basically pointed out a brief history of my involvement in the hobby in addition to my retail experience with hobby products. Then I pointed out my view that the best way to approach the problem is to separate anything that has a GPS guidance system and a FPV capability  and call them commercial UAV. If it doesn't have that, then it is a traditional hobby aircraft and operates on CBO guidelines like we always have. If you have a commercial UAV as such, then you are under FAA control and regulations and requires the transponder. It's as simple as that. All new equipment sold within the last year or immediate future are subject. Any older equipment will eliminate itself by attrition. Many older units are already spending eternity stuck up in trees, roof tops, rivers and streams. Others are already put away up on shelves because the owners are bored with them or are listed on eBay and Craig's List.  I will send in a few more before the deadline.
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« Reply #15 on: February 29, 2020, 05:08:15 PM »
I sent mine last night.  I did try to say it seemed more about the giant corporations attempting to sweep the sky of any potential obstacles in the way of their profit-making drones.  After the fact, today I thought of an analogy I'd wished I'd included:  What they are trying to do is similar to the trucking industry saying to the NTSB " clear the roads of all these private vehicles so we can run our trucks faster down the highway".  They might get their way except for fuel taxes.......

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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #16 on: February 29, 2020, 06:28:41 PM »
I sent mine last night.  I did try to say it seemed more about the giant corporations attempting to sweep the sky of any potential obstacles in the way of their profit-making drones.  After the fact, today I thought of an analogy I'd wished I'd included:  What they are trying to do is similar to the trucking industry saying to the NTSB " clear the roads of all these private vehicles so we can run our trucks faster down the highway".  They might get their way except for fuel taxes.......

Dave

    Send in another letter, or more!. II still think that this whole thing of Amazon making deliveries by drone is a logistical impossibility. Think of the millions of dollars of free advertising for Amazon that Bezos has gotten out of this even after his interview on 60 Minutes! Think of how many launching stations and warehouses that you would have to have to make it worth it, and by having a system that large would make it exponentially expensive. The duration of each flight has to be strictly monitored, and what wouldn't you have to have some one as an air traffic controller for that? I know that some package delivery has been done in remote areas, but you don't hear about it being done on any kind of large scale in these "remote areas" It's all just publicity grab. As for the trucking industry, they are two sides to that argument also. So much stuff, like Amazon purchases HAS to be shipped by truck, and they can not hire enough competent drivers. it is a shortage that goes industry wide. Many drivers on our roads can't even speak English!  I have experienced dealing with this at work. The drivers want the high paying jobs, with less oversight by the D.O.T., OSHA, and the NTSB, and the trucking companies are just chomping at the bit for the autonomous self driving rigs. This is one of those things that will get a hell of a lot worse before it gets better! How many people will die on the highways while all these experiments are going on? I just make it a habit to keep lots of distance from any truck. You just don't know who is behind the wheel.
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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #17 on: February 29, 2020, 07:09:19 PM »
I'm sure it won't work everywhere but the technology is there and will grow exponentially given free room to run.  CVS is already transferring drugs to hospitals and some patients using drones.   Open rural areas sending all sorts of things out to the boonies would be much cheaper and faster.  They should be able to track down the customer via his cell phone.  Actually sounds pretty good!  Only they plan to take us out to ensure success.  The transponders they want on our models I think isn't so much to be followed on some 'radar screen'.   Who or what would then be done with such info in real time?   The monitor would have no contact or control over either machine.  They could only follow up with a collision report.  I think it will be more so the drone might autonomously recognize and avoid a collision with the transponder and yield the identity of drone pirates.  Jack Sparrow might forget to register though........

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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2020, 07:03:23 AM »
It's interesting I noticed the March 2020 Model Aviation does not have one drone or quad advertisement compared to April 2018 I grabbed for comparison. Someone must have gotten the message.

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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2020, 08:55:30 AM »
Wow, I would never let a PRM go un-commented on. Being complacent is how we loose our rights to politicians and bureaucrats. If we continue to let them, they will take away your freedoms.  The FAA is fairly easy to speak to if you speak their language. To address their PRM take each peace and address it in a manor that highlights your opposition. If you address each of their they will likely take the time to read. If you just rant they won't. This is my comments on the PRM:

Comment upon PRM Remote Identification of Unmanned Aircraft Systems Docket ID FAA-2019-1100 by Mr Mark R Wood.

My aviation career began at an early age, roughly 6 years old when I began building Traditional Model Aircraft (TMA). This activity has lasted continuously for 55 more years and has not stopped. During my TMA modeling hobby, I have participated in almost every type of model, tethered control line, free flight and generally all forms of radio controlled models. Participation in this TMA hobby is about learning and education. A young person learns about craftsmanship skill, aerodynamics and piloting while pursuing this passion. 

Today this activity is in the greatest danger it has been for as long as I remember of being destroyed by over regulation. This hobby has taught many young people the fundamental elements of flight and has transitioned a significant number of these people in to highly successful aviators. My comment is being submitted as I have great concerns about over regulation causing a negative impact to the avenue of aviation learning.

The FAA proposed rule intent is to mitigate risk to persons, property and passenger carrying aircraft resulting from operations of UAS aircraft and to provide means of identification of UAS which can cause collision risk or simply meeting requirements of part 47 or 48. This stated risk is in essence the result of UAS which operate beyond the Line Of Sight (LOS) of the operator and have autonomous / remote location control features which remove the visual interaction of the operator to see and avoid other aircraft, vehicles or persons.

This rule should not apply to any aircraft which does not have a remote vision control or autonomous control functionality included within its control architecture which is the fundamental feature of a TMA. I am in opposition of including the TMA within the bounds of the PRM.

- The Risk resulting from TMA model aircraft is over stated. While it is true there have been instances of Drone, not TMA, operations within the airspace of larger airports the risk of collision remains low. TMA aircraft operators, especially those connect with the Academy of Model Aeronautics (AMA), do not usually occur within these airspace boundaries. The risks associated with TMA aircraft is extremely low and has been shown to be extremely low, far below the risk of collision between passenger carrying aircraft.

Historically, for over 100 years, model aircraft have been operated safely and there has been no loss of a passenger carrying aircraft which resulted from the impact of a TMA model aircraft. The premise of this PRM is that model TMA are causing and have caused aircraft accidents which is simply not supported. This PRM should include sections which exempt the TMA that can only be flown within LOS.

The collision risk between passenger carrying aircraft and the consumer grade Drone is higher than the TMA as a result of lack in education of the operator especially when the Drone can be operated beyond the line of sight of the operator. An element of the PRM should include the location identification of any UAS which has autonomous operation capabilities and the capability of operating beyond LOS.

TMA aircraft are incapable of operation beyond LOS and, as such limit the risk to negligible levels and has been historically established. As such, by risk level, TMA limited by LOS should be excluded from this PRM.



- The National Airspace System already has provisions for operation of aircraft within CONUS which can easily be used by TMA for operations. Operations of TMA aircraft generally fall well within the boundaries of Class G airspace. TMA aircraft are limited by LOS which means the visual boundaries of the aircraft are well below the 1,200 ft Class E transition zone and can easily be met within the 700 ft transition zone of airports with instrument approaches. Outside of any transition zone, where Class G exists, there should be no need of any surveillance of any type.

Man carrying aircraft are not required to use such surveillance equipment within Class G airspace and in the same way TMA should not be required to have onboard surveillance.

- Operations with Limited Remote ID for certain UAS aircraft.
  The PRM proposes for certain UAS aircraft which meet the criteria of amateur built TMA a geofencing feature must include a means of limiting the distance between the operator and the aircraft to 400’ or less. This feature is generally not required of a TMA as LOS is required for operation and control of the aircraft and distance from the operator is fundamentally limited. Given the normal operational areas of TMA any distance limiting should fall within the type of airspace where operation is being conducted.

The impact of this rule would redefine a TMA into an uncontrollable UAS and by implementation drive the simple aircraft into one which would have the facility of autonomous control or lack thereof. That one feature could readily turn the intent of this PRM into the very aircraft which is desired to limited. This one feature could become the element which removes direct control from the operator and drive the UAS into a location which would be undesirable. This would significantly increase the risk of collision with property persons and other aircraft when the UAS.

 Limited Remote ID and geofencing features will cause a reduced level of safety and should not be included in the PRM and required of TMA model aircraft.


- Implementation of unilateral FAA Recognized Identification Areas (FRIAs) are not necessary as the current CONUS airspace system already has provisions for TMA operation.
As stated previously the current airspace system is already provisioned for operations of aircraft. The only time there is need of any type of oversight is when the density of aircraft operations becomes one of risk mitigation.

- The requirement of registration and unique identification of each and every TMA is an unnecessary burden to both the builder / user and the FAA and will not improve the safety nor reduce any perceived risk.
Registration of the pilot and listing the number of aircraft is already a requirement of the FAA. There is no benefit to additional registration of aircraft individually. In fact, additional identification requirements only increase the difficulty of performing a search of the aircraft.

I am opposed to increasing any registration requirements of TMA and UAS aircraft for non-commercial operators.



Mark Wood
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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2020, 09:59:56 AM »
Mr. Hays.  I hope your letter to the FAA is shorter than what you posted here.  Whoever reads these letters at the FAA, they need a short, concise argument sticking only to the issue at hand.  and a summary introducing your letter is also helpful.

I also read all three editorial comments by the editors of MA in the latest issue.  Nowhere did they actually describe the FAA position, except to argue that it isn't in their interests.  I also had to search out what is meant by "UAS", because that wasn't identified.  To describe a problem, it's necessary to first state exactly what the problem is.
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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2020, 06:34:29 PM »
Hello Floyd. Here is the link to the FAA Proposed Rule Making:

https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=FAA-2019-1100-0001

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Re: My FAA letter
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2020, 06:58:10 PM »
Hello Floyd. Here is the link to the FAA Proposed Rule Making:

https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=FAA-2019-1100-0001

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