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Title: Windows 10
Post by: Bob Reeves on August 09, 2015, 07:27:17 AM: By now some of you have seen the offer to update your computer to Windows 10 and may have already done the free update. This may help make the transition as painless as possible.

First I must say I kinda like Windows 10 but you have to do a little research to make sure you have disabled all the Big Brother and bandwidth hogging stuff that comes with it.

Here are a few links I discovered that will give you a good start. Not to worry I have visited all 3 and they are legit.
http://thehackernews.com/2015/08/windows-10-update.html
http://winaero.com/blog/category/windows-10/
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/windows-10-violates-your-privacy-by-default-heres-how-you-can-protect-yourself/

The second issue you may have is trying to do a clean installation on a new hard drive or a fresh installation of Windows 10 instead of updating your current installation of 7 or 8. The problem is the way Microsoft is activating Windows 10 installations. It's a free upgrade but difficult to install to a clean hard drive. The deal is you must do an upgrade to an existing activated computer running Windows 7 or 8. This registers the computers hardware hash and the product key with Microsoft. Once that is done you can then wipe the hard drive and do a clean installation using your existing product key.

Don't ya just love all the hoops Microsoft makes you jump through.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: dennis lipsett on August 09, 2015, 07:40:30 AM: Bob,

I installed it on mine and it was a seamless transition as my laptop is not overly stuffed. There are a few things that I don't like but they are personnel preferences and the icons are a little different and they have a lot of aps that you can buy taking up room on the thing but they are easy to get rid of. Also most people know that you can still run your previously installed browser if you want by clicking on those 3 dots at the top banner and selecting it.
It is certainly a lot better than 8.1

Dennis
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Randy Powell on August 09, 2015, 08:27:09 AM: I'll stick with unix, thanks anyway.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Dick Pacini on August 09, 2015, 12:34:12 PM: No joy for XP. HB~>
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: peabody on August 09, 2015, 01:09:40 PM: The message I get is that my (flat screen) monitor is not compatible with Windows 10.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Carl Cisneros on August 09, 2015, 02:19:57 PM: any one have ANY kind of trouble in downloading and installing Windows 10?

if so, what did happen.
i got my notice that I can now download it to my laptop and am wondering
about anything I should be concerned about.

thanks
carl
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Jim Carter on August 09, 2015, 02:25:44 PM: :) Yep, I accepted the upgrade on my laptop and it seems to be running just fine (although I don't have all that much on it, programs wise). I kinda' like the Cortana feature :D I guess the "conspiracy theorist" in me just couldn't believe that something was "free". It kept running through my mind that programs would lock up, features would be limited and I'd ge a pop-up message saying that I had to buy some kind of key to open the files and features for some exorbitant rate (for my wallet, anything over 50 cents is .... well, maybe $1.50 ;D ); and so would 200 million other users ::) . Nevertheless all seems to be working well at the moment, thankfully!!
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: john e. holliday on August 09, 2015, 03:24:16 PM: I did the down load with no problems making of what I was reading. Yes some things are different now, but seems to be running better. Have not done the laptop yet as I don't knowifit has enough space.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Randy Cuberly on August 09, 2015, 04:11:12 PM: Hi Bob,

I'm in the process of putting a new computer together with the help of my Brother (He's a EE computer freak)and hasn't mentioned anything about this, but then He did say that he uses 8. I had intended to install Windows 10 on it. Does this situation mean that I'll have to install Win 8 first and then upgrade to 10. What a crock!! Microsoft has gone completely nuts! Maybe I'll just be a stubborn Old Guy and stay with 8!

I appreciate the "Heads Up" and the links.

Randy Cuberly
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Bob Reeves on August 09, 2015, 04:21:28 PM: You can install 10 if you buy the retail version from Microsoft otherwise, ya you have to install 7 or 8 then do the update. Can't imagine anyone on a real computer wanting to keep Windows 8, can understand wanting to stay with 7 but 10 is heads and shoulders above 8 no reason not to do the upgrade.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Jim Mitchell on August 09, 2015, 05:30:47 PM: To Bob
I am still running xp i also have win.7 but like the other one. better Jim
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Dennis Leonhardi on August 09, 2015, 05:56:12 PM: Very negative experience here, Bob.

I'm building 2 new computers at the moment - started building, selling, servicing PCs in 1985. Installed Windows 7 on the first, fine-tuned it (with all the right drivers) and had it running very nicely. Then did the update to 10 on the first day it was available.

The update produced the most bland machine imaginable - Windows 10 didn't even recognize the monitor (an HP IPS LED) which a Windows 7 installation immediately recognizes by specific model number. And that was typical - I had to search for drivers for virtually everything all over again.

I also don't like many of the "hidden" features, and am back to a clean Windows 7 install.

I freely confess to being rather distrustful of Microsoft in general. My many years have convinced me of 2 things: (1) Microsoft programmers seem to live in ivory towers, completely unaware of the real world and much of the hardware we work with, and (2) a company that presents false information in a federal court doesn't rank at the top of the list of corporations that practice integrity.

That's my two cents - to those who like Windows 10 and have had a smooth transition, I say "great!"

Dennis
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Mike Keville on August 09, 2015, 06:46:48 PM: I'll stay with 7, thank you. It does everything I need. No reason to change (or spend more money).
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Dennis Adamisin on August 09, 2015, 09:40:37 PM: Update on two 8.1 laptops. Seem to work OK with one bug - when I closed the lid and came back, the machines would not wake-up, had to completely power down & restart. Could only fix by making it so closing the lid does nothing - that's a goofy way to set-up a laptop!

Once running it seems OK but much slower to load. They fixed a few things, bewildered a few things...

On the old notebook running Win7 it would not upgrade due to lack of graphics driver.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Dallas Hanna on August 10, 2015, 04:14:35 AM: Quote from: Randy Cuberly on August 09, 2015, 04:11:12 PM
Hi Bob,

I'm in the process of putting a new computer together with the help of my Brother (He's a EE computer freak)and hasn't mentioned anything about this, but then He did say that he uses 8. I had intended to install Windows 10 on it. Does this situation mean that I'll have to install Win 8 first and then upgrade to 10. What a crock!! Microsoft has gone completely nuts! Maybe I'll just be a stubborn Old Guy and stay with 8!

I appreciate the "Heads Up" and the links.

Randy Cuberly

Even windows 8 can be a problem Randy! I had a new laptop with 8.1 and wife liked a few new screen differences on the update version. We upgraded hers and then found 8.1 had no drivers for the Epson printers we were running and to add insult to injury, no drivers for the Canon scanner. Yes the printers and scanner are getting on a bit but still function great. Lucky the old desktop computer was still running XP! Had to update the general printer so went wireless and A3 format. Only half the sheets to print a plan with Adobe 11 but don't tell her that was the reason for the A3 size! ;D

HH
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Bob Reeves on August 10, 2015, 06:23:12 AM: Quote from: Dennis 353 on August 09, 2015, 05:56:12 PM
Very negative experience here, Bob.

I'm building 2 new computers at the moment - started building, selling, servicing PCs in 1985. Installed Windows 7 on the first, fine-tuned it (with all the right drivers) and had it running very nicely. Then did the update to 10 on the first day it was available.

The update produced the most bland machine imaginable - Windows 10 didn't even recognize the monitor (an HP IPS LED) which a Windows 7 installation immediately recognizes by specific model number. And that was typical - I had to search for drivers for virtually everything all over again.

I also don't like many of the "hidden" features, and am back to a clean Windows 7 install.

I freely confess to being rather distrustful of Microsoft in general. My many years have convinced me of 2 things: (1) Microsoft programmers seem to live in ivory towers, completely unaware of the real world and much of the hardware we work with, and (2) a company that presents false information in a federal court doesn't rank at the top of the list of corporations that practice integrity.

That's my two cents - to those who like Windows 10 and have had a smooth transition, I say "great!"

Dennis

You'll get no disagreements from me, my main computer is running XP which I believe is still the best Windows OS for those of us that need a computer to do real work. I have a couple Windows 7 machines only because I have to know it to help my customers. I completely bypassed 8, it was a tablet OS Microsoft tried to make work on a desktop. Windows 10 fixes most of the shortcomings of 8 and the 32bit version will run most XP programs.

Would be nice to be able to run Lunix or a MAC but the corporate world is on Windows and if I want to make any money Windows is where I have to be.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Dennis Moritz on August 10, 2015, 07:08:45 AM: Windows. What an amusing parallel universe.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: John Rist on August 10, 2015, 09:16:25 AM: I am a low end user so what do I know. Upgraded from W-7 to W-10 on my desk top. I have a Geek Squad maintenance contract. The Geek had to load new drivers to get my printers to work. Out side of that all is good. Still using Google Chrome for the web so no change in look or feel there.

PS W-7 games are gone - had to go to W-10 games. The W-10 game set does not have mine sweeper. I am sure it is online if I want.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: wmiii on August 10, 2015, 12:37:14 PM: Hey John, where do you find windows 10 games? My upgrade from 7 to10 was without any angst whatever.

Thanks

Walter
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: John Rist on August 10, 2015, 01:47:46 PM: Quote from: wmiii on August 10, 2015, 12:37:14 PM
Hey John, where do you find windows 10 games? My upgrade from 7 to10 was without any angst whatever.

Thanks

Walter

I am not sure? After instillation it was pinned to the task bar. The logo is a deck of cards
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Randy Cuberly on August 10, 2015, 02:45:30 PM: Quote from: Bob Reeves on August 09, 2015, 04:21:28 PM
You can install 10 if you buy the retail version from Microsoft otherwise, ya you have to install 7 or 8 then do the update. Can't imagine anyone on a real computer wanting to keep Windows 8, can understand wanting to stay with 7 but 10 is heads and shoulders above 8 no reason not to do the upgrade.

Thanks for answering my question Bob.

Randy Cuberly
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Dennis Toth on August 11, 2015, 10:29:21 AM: I run both a laptop with W7 and a MS Surface tablet with W 8.1. Anyone update to W10 on the tablets yet? I had a note that the drivers aren't ready for the tablets, true?

Best, DennisT
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Randy Powell on August 11, 2015, 10:59:05 AM: Have fun, guys. I've been running various flavors of unix and linux for a very long time without serious issue. Oh, it messes up occasionally, but it's always due to some screw up on my part and generally easily fixed.

By the way, I got Castle to send me the source code for their esc programming. It's been ported to linux (I know a guy) and seems to work pretty well.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: john e. holliday on August 11, 2015, 03:27:04 PM: I find all the games are there, just have to look for them. Problem I have discovered is I now have no sound coming through the speakers. Have tried to turn the sound back on with no luck.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Steve Helmick on August 11, 2015, 04:03:59 PM: If I knew how to delete the games, I would.

I've had the Win10 popup a few times, but didn't, after hearing all the grief Alan Resinger had with it. I guess I'll try it if I get the offer again. Win8.1 isn't my favorite.

What really galls me is that Yahoo cut me from "Deluxe" to "basic" because I had XP and couldn't update past IE8. So now I have IE10, and they're clueless about that, and I've found no way to contact them about that or the fact that my charge card number didn't work for them due to the bank's computer being hacked. But it's too much hassle to transfer all the saved emails, addresses and such to somebody like G-mail...where they want to install the Google toolbar, which I know I don't want. I've got Opera and Firefox, and don't really like them that well...plus I have all my bookmarks in IE. Damned software companies... HB~> Steve
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: john e. holliday on August 11, 2015, 04:13:31 PM: Well I guess we have to keep all those nerds busy, even though I think they cause more problems than they fix.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Carl Cisneros on August 11, 2015, 11:02:12 PM: Bob;
upgraded my Lenovo laptop today to 10 and it was very painless for me.
I checked out your links you provided and used some of the info thereto hurry things along and keep
my machine private.
system is working like a champ.
On one of our other laptops here at the house, I did the install and things did not work very well.
Took it to Geek Squad at Best Buy and asked them to check it out and do a complete install of 10 for me.
working great now. they said that the problem stems from Norton anti virus program on the machine. They said that
Norton and McAfee do not run on the 10 system. You must get a cloud based anti virus and install it.

Carl
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Bob Reeves on August 12, 2015, 06:00:07 AM: Ya forgot to mention you should remove any anti virus programs before doing the update, they can and will cause problems. I personally do not care for Cloud based anything. The "Cloud" is is just a marketing term for a server connected to the internet, really do not understand the hype.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: RC Storick on August 12, 2015, 08:09:37 AM: So far I like it. But everyone please note be sure to know your passwords for every account before updating. It does not transfer passwords
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Carl Cisneros on August 13, 2015, 11:00:54 PM: Bob
I usedthe links you provided up at the top and my laptop is humming right along lickity split.

thanks

Carl
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Tom Niebuhr on August 15, 2015, 09:25:52 AM: I recently purchased a laptop with Windows 8.1 and immediately installed Windows 10 the first day it was available. I have mixed feelings about it since it is soooo different.

The fact that Microsoft now is forcing you to purchase Office Suite annually is a very big negative. In the past I used Word for everything. Can ou use older versions of Word with Windows 10?

Another simple thing like the disc save icon is gone.

I have no confidence that items that I draw in Cad will be saved . I usually save my work every few minutes to make sure that I don't lose anything.

A major problem is that if I watch a video on the Stunt Hanger, I cannot get back to the main forum without closing everything out and having to sign on again. It always asks "Do you want to close all tabs or cancel." There is no selection to close current item as in the past.

Another problem is that unlike the past, I cannot not have 2 items running at the same time. For example it will not let me play music and be on Stunt Hanger at the same time...

If you go to "Help", again it asks you if you want to close all tabs upon exiting.

Where is spell check if you are using Note Pad?

I am still using Windows 7 on my PC, and am reluctant to change. It seems to be a whole lot friendlier. It will take time to get used to "10".
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: John Leidle on August 15, 2015, 09:35:04 AM: I bought a Win 8 laptop 3 years ago & it was a POS so I sent it to the Happy Hunting Grounds & last Winter I bought a new Win 7 laptop . I have no idea what 10 does but I'm not willing to experiment & lose my Win 7 .
John
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Bob Reeves on August 15, 2015, 01:46:38 PM: It takes time to learn all the tricks, searching the internet really helps..

Quote
The fact that Microsoft now is forcing you to purchase Office Suite annually is a very big negative. In the past I used Word for everything. Can ou use older versions of Word with Windows 10?

Not sure yet, I'm still using Office 97 on my XP machine and haven't tried to install it on 10. Went to Open Office on my Windows 7 64bit laptop, it wouldn't let me install Office 97.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: 11290 on August 15, 2015, 03:58:45 PM: Quote from: Bob Reeves on August 15, 2015, 01:46:38 PM
It takes time to learn all the tricks, searching the internet really helps..

Not sure yet, I'm still using Office 97 on my XP machine and haven't tried to install it on 10. Went to Open Office on my Windows 7 64bit laptop, it wouldn't let me install Office 97.

Office 97 is WAY TOO OLD for Win 7 - 64 bit. I use MS Office 2010 on my Win 7 desktop and MS Office 2013 on my 8.1 laptop. (got both free so the price was right)

Alternatives to MS Office:

http://www.techradar.com/us/news/software/applications/best-free-microsoft-office-alternatives-5-suites-to-save-you-money-1139295
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Mike Keville on August 15, 2015, 07:06:13 PM: Quoting the late British veteranarian/author Alf Wight (aka James Herriot): "I have always abhorred change of any kind."

That statement applies especially to the Microsoft geeks who keep screwing around with a fine product (Windows 7). If...or rather, 'when' Windows 7 no longer works, then I'll return to letters, postage stamps and phone calls. HB~>
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Carl Cisneros on August 15, 2015, 07:38:07 PM: Tom;

I have not had any ofthose problems you re having at all.
The system works fine for me.

On our 2 Windows 7 laptops I installed Microsoft Office 2000 and on the
8.1 and 2 Windows 10 laptops, I have Office 2013 on those. With Office 2013, you can upload it to 3
macines one a month and it is done.

Carl
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Tim Wescott on August 15, 2015, 08:09:21 PM: Quote from: Randy Powell on August 09, 2015, 08:27:09 AM
I'll stick with unix, thanks anyway.

Wacko!

BTW -- any tips on talking my wife into switching, so I don't have to listen to her complain about Windows?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Bob Reeves on August 16, 2015, 05:41:00 AM: Quote from: 11290 on August 15, 2015, 03:58:45 PM
Office 97 is WAY TOO OLD for Win 7 - 64 bit. I use MS Office 2010 on my Win 7 desktop and MS Office 2013 on my 8.1 laptop. (got both free so the price was right)

Who woulda thunk it. I just installed Office 97 on my Windows 10 (32bit) laptop and it works great. I only installed Word and Excel because those two are the only ones I really use and didn't install any of the accessories. So far I haven't found anything that I need that wouldn't install and work. This is the first OS Microsoft has released since XP that just may finally lure me away from XP.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Bob Reeves on August 18, 2015, 11:45:47 AM: Ran across a good forum for questions and research on Windows 10.
http://www.tenforums.com/windows-10-forums/

Seems to be active with knowledgeable users.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Randy Powell on August 18, 2015, 12:31:31 PM: >>BTW -- any tips on talking my wife into switching, so I don't have to listen to her complain about Windows?<<

My wife's Win 7 laptop finally puked. I bought her a new one and installed Fedora with a very Win 7 like interface (Cinnamon front end for gnome). To her, it looks and acts just like Windows so she's happy. I did have to port her genealogy program (I lucked out that they had a linux version so I didn't have to mess with wine or anything), but other than that, she can't tell the difference. Used Firefox just like she did anyway.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Steve Helmick on August 21, 2015, 01:17:27 PM: I "reserved" a download of Win10 and scheduled the download for 4am PDT this morning. I left the computer churning and turned off the monitor last night. About 10am, I turned on the monitor and got the thing to start with a spinner-flip (joke).

Had to figure out how to import bookmarks, but that wasn't too tough. Appears to work alright so far. I didn't turn off AV or anything at all to prep for the download. I haven't been into my email yet, but I have confidence that it will work ok. My have to do some fiddling to get my choice of homepage to show itself at boot-up. I don't think it will be a huge problem. My guess is that the problems have been ironed out pretty well over the last couple of weeks. Just now went into my email account with no problems. :) Steve
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Jim Carter on August 22, 2015, 12:18:06 PM: :) Yeah, Steve, I did the same thing on my laptop here in my workshop and I've been very pleased so far with Win 10. Yes, there's a few navigation thing I had to get used to but in general, I've been pleased. And messing with Cortana has been a ball!! Generally, I don't use it on a daily basis but I had fun playing with it when I first fired it up. It's at least as good as Siri on/in my iPad ;) I also downloaded it to the desktop in the house that my wife uses and probably the only issue was having it transfer the bookmarks she uses. So far, so good!!

Jim
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: RC Storick on August 22, 2015, 12:27:05 PM: https://youtu.be/GLiozMpqV80
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Bob Reeves on August 22, 2015, 01:39:14 PM: Ya the paranoia is all over the internet, although I didn't finish the video I'm hoping at the end they tell you that all the Big Brother stuff can be turned off. Think about it, business and government customers will not put up with that for a second and the only way M.S. can remain on top is by having Windows on business computers.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: RC Storick on August 22, 2015, 01:41:24 PM: Quote from: Bob Reeves on August 22, 2015, 01:39:14 PM
Ya the paranoia is all over the internet, although I didn't finish the video I'm hoping at the end they tell you that all the Big Brother stuff can be turned off. Think about it, business and government customers will not put up with that for a second and the only way M.S. can remain on top is by having Windows on business computers.

Well I turned everything off I hope is stays off!
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Mike Keville on August 22, 2015, 07:43:46 PM: Anyone else tired of those annoying pop-ups from the Microsoft geeks urging us to 'upgrade' to 10 every time we log-on?
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Bill Burton on August 22, 2015, 08:18:01 PM: All of this is why I switched to Apple years ago.

BB
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Mike Keville on August 22, 2015, 08:58:53 PM: Whatever that means. Like many of us old timers, I don't understand all this techno-talk.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Douglas Ames on August 22, 2015, 10:23:51 PM: Quote from: Mike Keville on August 22, 2015, 07:43:46 PM
Anyone else tired of those annoying pop-ups from the Microsoft geeks urging us to 'upgrade' to 10 every time we log-on?

Yes! I waited like and Idiot for weeks only to find out my computer wont run it.
I still don't know why I need it in the first place??
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: JoeJust on August 23, 2015, 11:09:41 AM: Just before leaving for Buffalo a week ago I took my computer in for cleaning and a diagnostic tune up. When I returned to the store I asked the teck about Windows 10. His advise was, "if you like what you have and it does all you want it to, stay with 7". As I really like this guy and his work I intend to stay with what I have. At an age pushing 80, and being self taught with computers I really don't think I need the latest whistles and bells.
Joe
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Randy Cuberly on August 23, 2015, 02:27:20 PM: Does anyone know id Outlook 2013 will wok with Windows 10? I bought it for my old computer just before I decided to let my brother build me a new one...actually he's making me help him because he doesn't want to do it again! LL~

I currently use outlook and like it but someone told me it might not work with 10.

Anybody know for sure?

Randy Cuberly
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: 11290 on August 23, 2015, 05:26:49 PM: Quote from: Randy Cuberly on August 23, 2015, 02:27:20 PM
Does anyone know id Outlook 2013 will wok with Windows 10? I bought it for my old computer just before I decided to let my brother build me a new one...actually he's making me help him because he doesn't want to do it again! LL~

I currently use outlook and like it but someone told me it might not work with 10.

Anybody know for sure?

Randy Cuberly

Check out the Q & A in this site for Outlook 2013 issues. Seems on there it will receive email OK but has a send problem. Shows a workaround to fix that. Seems to work for everyone there.

http://forums.windowscentral.com/windows-10/370532-why-wont-outlook-2013-send-emails-after-windows-10-upgrade.html
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Randy Cuberly on August 23, 2015, 07:00:01 PM: Thanks!

Randy Cuberly
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Steve Helmick on August 24, 2015, 06:39:38 PM: When faced with Outlook, I always copy the receiver's email address and paste it into the form on my regular email system. The reply will then come into my normal email inbox, a plus. Less trouble, IMO. y1 Steve
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Steve Helmick on September 03, 2015, 12:06:22 AM: I'm finding some problems, most likely with the MS "Edge" (?) browser. In one forum, the bold, italics and underline icons don't work right. They don't highlight, but they also make the intended word type in backwards! As in "scilati", to which I say "WTF?" So I'm on here, and when I go to insert some html code like that with the toolbar buttons, it moves from where intended off to the start of the post or paragraph or something...not sure yet. Same for other essential icons. :)

I understand that there is a new variant of IE, IE 11, but I haven't found a way to download it. I don't like Chrome, and don't like MS "Edge", and would prefer not to bother with Mozilla or Oprah (sic), both of which I have. I'd like to make it work right. How can I poke MS into fixing it? If Bill doesn't fix it, I'll go fish in front of his house at every opportunity. He hates that, you know. H^^ Steve
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Fred Underwood on September 03, 2015, 09:08:58 PM: Steve,
IE is in Windows 10, just well hidden. I am still using Windows 7, but my wife had Windows 8, so I upgraded hers to 10. Rather that try to re-write it, I did like this

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/open-internet-explorer-in-windows-10

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/internet-explorer-does-not-open-in-modern-ui

Hope this helps,
Fred
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Mike Keville on September 03, 2015, 09:15:29 PM: Paraphrasing the White House occupant: "If you like you current provider, you can keep your current provider."

Many of us have elected to do just that. I'm sticking with 7.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Clancy Arnold on September 04, 2015, 08:59:14 AM: I waited until last Sunday to install Windows 10. It took 1 Hour and 20 Minutes to load. Then began 8 hours of hunt and peck to find out how to access my emails and forums like Stunt Hangar. It turned out that I just needed to open MS Edge and enter the name or key word. I was having problems with my Emails, under Windows 8.1 locking up, requiring me to keep restarting the program. Now that I am using Windows 10 not a single lockup!!!

Thanks MS,
Clancy
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Steve Helmick on September 04, 2015, 10:01:47 PM: Testing, after changing to IE (something or other!). ;D Steve

PS: Well, this is much better! Thank you, Fred...I didn't find it "easy", but got 'er dun!
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Fred Underwood on September 05, 2015, 09:57:37 AM: You might try this way if you want the icon on the desktop, I believe that I only got it on the taskbar with the above method.

Go to the “Tile” view and click on the “OS” tile. Next L click on "program files (x86)" and then the "Internet Explorer" folder. Next, R click on Iexplore, not on the Internet Explorer shortcut, and then chose create shortcut and put it on the desktop.

I believe that it is IE 11. You need to look at the box and decide if you want automatic updates to IE.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Steve Helmick on September 05, 2015, 10:24:49 AM: I had some troubles with compatibility view on Bass Boat Central....had the url wrong. Got that fixed and that site now works nicely on IE v.11. Now for the acid test... o2oP Steve
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Dennis Toth on November 28, 2015, 08:03:02 PM: I did the update and was very unhappy. I don't like having to rebuild the desktop (which I never go to work), don't like having to reload all the favorites. Lucky I was able to find a the reset procedure and restored my Windows 7 and all my stuff was there. Did I miss something? Do you have to redo all the programs and settings?

Best, DennisT
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: john e. holliday on November 29, 2015, 03:07:33 PM: Only trouble I have with the Windows 10 other than the sound I still can't get, is now the history files works only when it wants too. Don't want to bother the nerds as they may make it worse. Still have my lap top when I want to listen to a video.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Randy Powell on November 29, 2015, 06:07:19 PM: Hope you folks have fun being beta testers for Microsoft. I'll stick with an actual operating system.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Steve Helmick on November 29, 2015, 07:54:43 PM: I didn't like the "Edge" browser, but did some research and found out I could download IE #11 (free)...it works pretty well. I passed this on to Nils Norling, and he did the same...and was overjoyed. The "Edge" icon is still on the bottom tool bar, along with Oprah (sic) and Firefaux (sic), but I got rid of Chrome...while I like Google for search, I am offended by their continual attempts at trying to install stuff I don't want, such as their toolbars and their homepage. Screw that! R%%%% Steve
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Randy Powell on November 30, 2015, 10:48:15 AM: >>I am offended by their continual attempts at trying to install stuff I don't want, such as their toolbars and their homepage. Screw that!<<

Gee, I never run into that. At all. Ever.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Bob Reeves on December 01, 2015, 06:41:22 AM: Quote from: Randy Powell on November 30, 2015, 10:48:15 AM
>>I am offended by their continual attempts at trying to install stuff I don't want, such as their toolbars and their homepage. Screw that!<<

Gee, I never run into that. At all. Ever.

You and the others in the 0.2% of all computers that are not running Windows. If whatever you are running is so great how come it only has < 0.2% market share. Must be some reason that number is so low. Like.. You need money to afford a MAC at about 3 times the cost of a PC or be a geek to run some form of UNIX. If something better and cheaper than Windows actually existed PC manufactures would be jumping on it like a chicken on a June bug.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Mark Scarborough on December 01, 2015, 08:21:57 AM: Quote from: Bob Reeves on December 01, 2015, 06:41:22 AM
You and the others in the 0.2% of all computers that are not running Windows. If whatever you are running is so great how come it only has < 0.2% market share. Must be some reason that number is so low. Like.. You need money to afford a MAC at about 3 times the cost of a PC or be a geek to run some form of UNIX. If something better and cheaper than Windows actually existed PC manufactures would be jumping on it like a chicken on a June bug.
well Bob,, this is Randy we are talking about here,, you have seen the kind of planes he builds,, would you expect hiim to use "normal" software?
yeah, did not think so

that said, I have been forced to use a Mac at work,, ( actually have a Mac and a Windows machine side by side,,) I will say, the keyboard on the Mac is exquisite, I did not think I would like it, but going back to my PC keyboard feels like going from my Impact back to my Ukey,,, its Profound,, however there are some oddities that I have to get used to,, it appears no one machine has all the answers,,

well except Randys,, LOL
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Randy Powell on December 01, 2015, 11:28:40 AM: Bob,

I use a linux variant. And you don't have to be a geek to use it. UNIX based operating systems are just better than Windows. But they don't advertise, they don't twist your arm or force you into situations where the only option is a sub-standard, proprietary, bug ridden, virus ridden, clunker of a system. The percentage is low because they don't push it. Most of the internet is run on UNIX or linux servers for a reason.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Dennis Toth on December 19, 2015, 11:15:17 AM: I just found out that you can install Windows 10 as an "Upgrade" rather than a "clean install". This keeps all your settings and programs. I had done the install a few weeks back and it lost all my outlook contact data, many programs, etc. I did the restore to Windows7, all was good. I then hear you could do the "upgrade" and basically all the program data would remain. I did this and it works. To do this go to Windows Update site and do "update to Windows 10". Do a custom install, this allows you to turn off all the tracking options. You will notice that Internet Explore is replaced by MS Edge as the default browser. This works OK but the default install settings don't have a home button. You can activate this in the settings tab under "advanced settings" then it works pretty much like IE, you can also set your home page in the advance settings also. Up in the early part of this thread there is a site that gives detail instructions to turn off the tracking in the Privacy section.

For me all my MS 2007 Office apps were preserved and work fine.

Best, DennisT
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: 11290 on December 19, 2015, 02:41:47 PM: Quote from: Dennis Toth on December 19, 2015, 11:15:17 AM
I just found out that you can install Windows 10 as an "Upgrade" rather than a "clean install". This keeps all your settings and programs. I had done the install a few weeks back and it lost all my outlook contact data, many programs, etc. I did the restore to Windows7, all was good. I then hear you could do the "upgrade" and basically all the program data would remain. I did this and it works. To do this go to Windows Update site and do "update to Windows 10". Do a custom install,...........................................this allows you to turn off all the tracking options. You will notice that Internet Explore is replaced by MS Edge as the default browser. This works OK but the default install settings don't ha

Best, DennisT

Often times that site will be "full" and will ask to notify you when available, which in my case for 2 different computers, the notification never came. Easier and quicker to just use the Microsoft Media Creation Tool (Google that for the site link). From there you can either do the upgrade right from there immediately or if you want, you can create either a flash drive copy or an iso and do the upgrade with that. I did both of mine from the MCT and they both came out fine and didn't lose anything. Went back after that and made a flash drive copy for each (one is Pro and the other is Home) in case I need to do a clean install at any point.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Brett Buck on December 19, 2015, 03:10:41 PM: Quote from: Bob Reeves on December 01, 2015, 06:41:22 AM
You and the others in the 0.2% of all computers that are not running Windows. If whatever you are running is so great how come it only has < 0.2% market share. Must be some reason that number is so low. Like.. You need money to afford a MAC at about 3 times the cost of a PC or be a geek to run some form of UNIX. If something better and cheaper than Windows actually existed PC manufactures would be jumping on it like a chicken on a June bug.

I haven't seen many people *intentionally* buy a Windows PC for years.

Brett
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Randy Cuberly on December 19, 2015, 03:25:54 PM: Quote from: Brett Buck on December 19, 2015, 03:10:41 PM
I haven't seen many people *intentionally* buy a Windows PC for years.

Brett

I and most of the people I know build their own from parts and assemblies.

Apple unfortunately is too dependent on "Apple".

Randy Cuberly
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Garf on December 19, 2015, 04:11:54 PM: Same here, but I stuck with windows 7. I hate "improvements" pounded up my atz.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Bob Reeves on December 19, 2015, 04:30:37 PM: Quote from: Brett Buck on December 19, 2015, 03:10:41 PM
I haven't seen many people *intentionally* buy a Windows PC for years.

Brett

Sept just about all of corporate America, a big portion buy PC's without any OS then install an enterprise version of Windows because they can do that without licensing each individual PC and configure the installation along with whatever software they want on the computers. I use to make allot of money helping IT departments upgrade computers.
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Steve Helmick on December 19, 2015, 08:19:02 PM: Never been in a business that used Apple computers. Our school system buys Apple computers, which they pay for with property tax levies. So the kiddos get out of school knowing how to run an Apple computer, but will have to learn to run the PC for their new job? This makes no sense to me. Can anybody explain why this is good? If Apples were competitively priced, I would consider buying one. If property taxes were lower, I might be able to buy a new PC. As it is, I haven't bought a new PC since '05. It got upgraded several times, but last Christmas, my brilliant son upgraded his old PC and gave it to me. That's how I got Win8.1, after MS pulled the cord on XP.

Long ago, I asked my computer guy about Linux, but he said "No, you don't want to do that." He's a "computer hobbyist"; I just want one that works. I figured that if it was that good, he'd use it. D>K Steve
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Randy Cuberly on December 19, 2015, 10:10:41 PM: The biggest problem with 10 is that it has great gobs of "helpful" stuff running in the background all the time. The "upgrade available now helps that to some extent.
If you go on one of the Geek forums there are instructions on how to get rid of most of the crap and then things get much faster!

Basically it is a good system when you get it all sorted out. Better than 7 or 8.1. a lot faster just differently organized. That, of course, takes a little getting used to but after a few days of lots of swear words and insults to Bill Gates parentage (just kidding Bill)...I think it's very good and very fast. It runs 64 bits like a firestorm.

Randy Cuberly
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Dennis Toth on December 20, 2015, 05:05:01 PM: So far I've only had to get my HP printer updated to Windows 10 (just go to the HP support site and search windows 10). If you have any problems google you problem with the words "windows 10" added and it will find answers. One thing when you do the update do a "customized" install and it will allow you to switch off any tracking. Here is a site that will help turn off tracking if you don't want the added features:

http://www.polygon.com/2015/7/31/9075531/windows-10-privacy-how-to

Best, DennisT
Title: Re: Windows 10
Post by: Fredvon4 on December 31, 2015, 01:53:38 PM: Wife got me a new Laptop but has Win 10 and I dislike it so gonna wipe it and install Win 7 OS...

All this because I do not have to change ALL my file/printers, and NAT storage sharing and the home group settings on the home network of 12 devices.... Toshiba told her it was a Win 7 box but it shipped with 10 installed... not worth the trouble to send back as I have the skills to do this

For some profound reason Microsoft will not let any OS do most of the networking sharing in a mixed OS environment

OH yea...don't bother with the UNIX, Xenix, SCO, UBantu, Black Hat or other Open source recommendation...been there done that---- same freaking game... I have been building computers, and managing networks since the early 80s

Got a 13 year old desk top that I built that is still current hardware wise
Great MSI mother board with a lot of ability to change the Bios and firmware
Way over sized 1000W power supply fed by a very good UPS
Very good tower with a LOT of silent cooling (no I did not need cryo or water) but I did spring for the better heat sinks and paste
Very good Raid controller and a nice set of fast drives (4 WD Raptors) but the OS now is on a hybrid SSD with both on and off site daily backup

The (super desktop) project started with Win XP 32 bit and was doing all I asked of it, but I had to play with Vista 64 bit and liked it the same but required ALL CPUs to be on same OS for network compatibility...reverted to XP because my network was OK having a mixed OS on the different laptops (we had a few win for work groups 2.0 OS machines)

Then Win 7 came out and my Army PX had the OS as a 3 cpu license for $79. Hard to beat that deal and now that it is near orphan they don't seem to care how may CPUs it is on..the packaging access code still works after about 6 installs

Same desk top backed up daily on and off site has basically been up 24/7 for over decade with no BSD or frequent reboots necessary (of course many updates require a reboot)

I suspect the real secret to reliable computer is to keep the Trojans, worms, adaware crap out with a good firewall paid for internet security software and stay away from most porn sites