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Offline Gene Martine

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Model Airplane News
« on: February 26, 2016, 01:47:55 PM »
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 Today we stopped at Barnes & Noble to look at some magazines. I looked at the May 2016 issue of Model Airplane News and it contained everything about RC. There was nothing on control line. I was going to subscribe, but glad I didn't.
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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2016, 01:52:09 PM »
MAN hasn't published anything c/l for decades.  That's why I stopped taking it in the 80's.
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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2016, 02:17:57 PM »
you could cut to the chase and get everything in MAN by requesting a Tower catalog.  And use your saved subscription $s for something useful to your CL builds...

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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2016, 02:21:43 PM »
I believe that the December 1980 issue of MAN featured the last C/L model that they ever published it was a 1/2 a stunt model called the Blackhawk  and looked like a stylized F5F, actually a whole lot better looking than an F5F. Pat King did a redesign of the model for electric /retracts and of course it is not 1/2A any longer

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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2016, 02:33:29 PM »
If anyone has those plans, please post them on Outerzone so we can see them.

Thanks,
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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2016, 03:05:46 PM »
MAN used to be a OK mag as did AMA's MA but there were others I preferred, sadly my favorite is passing on this year as John Brodak is stopping CLW

I keep hoping the new owner of Carsten's publications resurrects the Flying Models mag and plans,  but each new information seems less and less likely

fortunatly we have these web based forums to keep us informed and going, finding more and more cottage industries suppliers of the kits and bits we need/desire
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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2016, 03:23:16 PM »
If anyone has those plans, please post them on Outerzone so we can see them.

Thanks,
Scott


I think MAN became an RC catalog in the '70s, sure was a shame as they had published many great CL designs. Hoping here too that Flying Models returns, I only received 1 issue of my latest subscription and I'll bet others lost more.

Kind words for the designer of the Blackhawk ... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-2-A-Plans-Shumate-Blackhawk-Stunter-for-Two-049-061-Engines-1980-/161978504693

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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2016, 03:33:46 PM »

I think MAN became an RC catalog in the '70s, sure was a shame as they had published many great CL designs. Hoping here too that Flying Models returns, I only received 1 issue of my latest subscription and I'll bet others lost more.

   At my second contest ever, in the early 80's, a petition went around to get MAN to go back to covering CL, but of course it went nowhere. That should date it to around 1981.  They, and most other mags, tried to become second-rate clones of RCM, and at least managed the second-rate part nicely and went out of business.

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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2016, 04:44:16 PM »
To be completely honest, MAN is not all that great at covering RC model airplanes either.
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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2016, 05:59:34 PM »
A long time ago I wrote MAN a letter suggesting that they change the name to "RC Model Airplane News"  Of course., my letter was ignored
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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2016, 06:05:00 PM »
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 Today we stopped at Barnes & Noble to look at some magazines. I looked at the May 2016 issue of Model Airplane News and it contained everything about RC. There was nothing on control line. I was going to subscribe, but glad I didn't.
Gene

 You just noticed? It's been that way for about 30 years now.
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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2016, 06:14:00 PM »
To be completely honest, MAN is not all that great at covering RC model airplanes either.

   Hence the "second-rate" comment. I don't care anything about RCM, but it is a good RC magazine. MAN was just trying to ape it, poorly. I am surprised they are still around.
   
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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2016, 07:11:22 PM »
MAN was a superb mag in the '50s....was reasonably okay in the '60s....then it fell prey to the RC mindset.

Very few true modelers left in today's world of RTFs, ARFs, multirotors and other toys.....all of which are promoted by "our" Academy of Multirotors and ARFs.


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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2016, 07:31:28 PM »
What is sad about this is that I get excited when I come across a MAN from the 50s.  It will often have some very interesting articles.  Not any more!

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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2016, 08:08:52 PM »
The BLACKHAWK 10 plans can be seen in the Vendors Corner in PDK LLC.

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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2016, 08:22:22 PM »
   Anytime I want to look through the "good old days" I just go to my files in the basement. I'm working on getting M.A.N. complete from the first issue through the end of C/L and F/F coverage which was in 1984. Allen Brickhaus' Scimitar was published in the January, 1984 issue of M.A.N. and I believe there was at least one more F/F rubber model that year. I will have to check. I think Allen told me that his Scimitar was the last C/L model presented in M.A.N. so that is why I end my collection at that year. I have some later than that, but don't actively seek them out.
   If anyone is interested in some old M.A.N magazines, I can fix you up!!!!
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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2016, 08:38:37 PM »
Not sure what the RC mindset is (I fly RC) but my last several TowerTalk flyers have the first dozen pages full of nothing but quads.  The traditional RC plank flyers are more than a bit concerned.

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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2016, 09:22:07 PM »
I think that most of our problems can be directly linked to the elimination of competition in society.  The AMA quit publishing records at least a decade ago, and fun flies replaced contests.  Can't keep score, so give participation ribbons.  With that attitude, why work, the state will take care of you. 

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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2016, 10:11:07 AM »
I too used to subscribe to MAN.   With the exception of stunt I think competition events got too expensive to get new blood.   I think back and remember we had more people showing up at the unsuitable city park circle just to fly and see what else was there.   No talk of competition.  I don't have any magazine subscriptions other than Model Aviation(comes wit AMA membership) and Control Line World that is in its last year.   At least John warned us not like a couple that took my renewal and then sold out.
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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2016, 12:55:17 PM »
Not sure what the RC mindset is (I fly RC) but my last several TowerTalk flyers have the first dozen pages full of nothing but quads.

 I'm beating the dead horse once again here but the corporate evolution is nearly complete. As we are seeing and living it's ALL about dollars and greed anymore, not modeling. After stopping by both Hub Hobby locations in Minneapolis this past Thursday I left literally shaking my head and feeling that traditional aero modeling as we know it is now all but history. It wasn't that long ago that I still considered the Hub locations to be pretty darn good hobby shops, not any more though. With those two large shops being just an example, they have dwindled their modeling inventory down to where I have almost no reason to make a stop there. Multiple long aisles of what used to be a great selection of kits, wood, building supplies and hardware, field equipment etc., is now down to about one aisle of essentially useless stuff. Along with all the quad copter garbage the other aisles are now also filled with crap foamies, ARF's, and 98% percent electric related supplies. Standing in one of those aisles I literally could have been looking at the wall in Radio Shack, nothing recognizable as an "airplane" part. Depressing stuff. D>K
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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2016, 01:33:51 PM »
I'm beating the dead horse once again here but the corporate evolution is nearly complete. As we are seeing and living it's ALL about dollars and greed anymore, not modeling.

    It has *always*, repeat, *always* been about dollars and what you refer to as "greed". The fundamental problem is that it is just about impossible to make any money selling model supplies for obscure niche hobbies. Because only a very few people actually want that anymore.

    The demand side of the equation has dried up almost completely because FF/CL and even modeling-type RC is of very little interest to the general public anymore. The shops exist for the items that still have significant demand, like R/C cars and drones. We cannot change that because the world has moved on.

    A secondary issue is that modelers are also very fickle. We have a local old-style hobby shop in the Bay Area - J&M Hobby House in San Carlos. It's exactly what you think about when you think "hobby shop", and is one of the few left in the country like that.

    But an example of the fickle nature of the hobby industry (and I don't know if it is true, but it wouldn't surprise me).  In the late 80's, all the local hot-shots decided that Glo-Devil #300 glow plugs were the hot ticket for our 40/46VFs. So, suppose Cliff tried to cater to that and bought a gross of them. For a few years, that's all that sold, then someone found that the ThunderBolt 4-cycle plug was "better". Instantly, the demand for Glo-Devils dried up completely, and there might not have been a single #300 sold in the last 25 years. I have a dozen of them somewhere, and am not likely to ever run out, and so does everybody else. So he is stuck with the remaining inventory. Muncie Model and Hobby is another good example - very good hobby shop with a very nice and wide assortment that cannot stay in business despite being 100 yards from the world center of modeling.

  Take that for any other niche product (like dope, silkspan, etc) and you can see that the risk of being dead stuck with something VS the reward of piddling profits (if it all), it makes absolutely no sense to run the thing from a business standpoint, UNLESS, you charge very high prices and have a niche clientele willing to pay for it. Bay Area, where the median home price is closing in on $1 million and there are something like 10 million people within 50 miles (150 of whom care about modeling), yes. LA Basin -yes. Anywhere else, not a chance.

    The era has ended, there's nothing to be done about it, and enjoy the fact that you can get the best assortment of equipment and supplies that have ever been available with a phone call and a credit card.

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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2016, 02:02:35 PM »
Well, it could always be worse. At least J&M Hobby isn't stuck with a gross of Fox glowplugs or Rossi glowplugs...both useless as t*ts on a boar.

I have most of a business administration degree. I mess with model airplanes and like bass fishing. I see both hobby shops and fishing tackle shops as being horrible businesses to invest in. Lots of little crap to carry in inventory, a lot of product developments (meaning a lot of obsolete inventory), and a very fussy customer base. There is no good financial reason to invest in what we think of as a hobby shop. If you want to make a million dollars in a hobby shop or tackle store, you'd best start with two million dollars. Sad, but a realistic viewpoint.  :'(  Steve
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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2016, 02:23:34 PM »
Well, it could always be worse. At least J&M Hobby isn't stuck with a gross of Fox glowplugs or Rossi glowplugs...both useless as t*ts on a boar.

  Actually, it's possible with the Rossi, since for about a year or so, that WAS the hot ticket. Before Ted discovered the Achilles' Heel in the most dramatic way possible.

   For those who don't know - *never, ever, ever* use Rossi plugs in a stunt engine because sooner or later it will shut off abruptly and unexpectedly.

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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2016, 02:38:24 PM »
  Well if this shop still has stock left of the Glow Devil R/C Longs, I'm interested so forward me a phone number! I gree with everything you say, as hard as it is to swallow. But I believe that things can make a comeback following the old, "what goes around comes around" theory. This here internet thing can help and can help by preserving some things digitally. If we can just keep it out there a visible, people will discover it again or for the first time. It's something you have inside of you that makes you do it. Free flight was supposed to have completely died 40 years ago but it still survives because there are still certain types of people the "get it." They have it inside of them to accept it and want to participate. I think it's always been like that, but back in the day, it was also the "thing to do" and really not much to take it's place until time passed and technology progressed. We just have to keep putting it out there for people to see. Live demonstrations are more important now than they have ever been. That's why I volunteer for school demos whenever I can and went to Oshkosh for 16 years straight to help out at KidVenture. Some where along the line all the seeds that I hope I sowed will sprout and take root with at least a few of them.
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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2016, 03:02:36 PM »
  Well if this shop still has stock left of the Glow Devil R/C Longs, I'm interested so forward me a phone number!

J&M Hobby House (650) 593-5019

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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2016, 03:26:46 PM »
Is San Antonio Hobby still there?  They were the hot ticket for many years.

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Re: Model Airplane News
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2016, 04:48:24 PM »
Is San Antonio Hobby still there?  They were the hot ticket for many years.

Floyd

(that's in Los Altos, CA,  or Mt. View)

  Mountain View, but no, that entire shopping center was levelled about 10 years ago. It was a very good shop as well.

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