Who were the first?

[Paul Taylor]

Just thinking about some of the first.

The Rabe Rudder- my guess is Al was the first.

Who did the first Pipe Stunt plane?
Who did the first electric?

I know several people did pipes and electric - but who was the very first?

What are the other first?

[SteveMoon]

I believe Dean Pappas and Bob Hunt were the first to have real success
with the pipe setup. Not sure if they were the 'first' to try it, but I think
they were the first to put forth the effort required to make it a success.

Steve

[Tom Niebuhr]

Add  Richie Tower to those two and you have it.

[Bob Reeves]

Wasn't Mike Palco(sp) the first to actually make an electric work?

[Paul Wescott]

What are the other first?

Oba ("Obie") St. Clair - Inventor of control line flight as we know it, and first to successfully fly using said system.  As per Charles Mackey in his 1995 book Pioneers of Control Line Flying.

Paul Wescott

[Bob Reeves]

The Tulsa Gluedobers have done a few first's but not sure I remember all of them, two that come to mind mainly because I was involved were.

First to record an in-flight video with the camera on a CL airplane.
First (and as far as I know still only) club to build the most accurate and sophisticated pull test machines in use.

I'm thinking there are a couple others but can't think of what they might be right now.

[Steve Helmick]

Who was the first to win 11 Walker Cups? What club is he a member of?     Steve

[Dan McEntee]

The Tulsa Gluedobers have done a few first's but not sure I remember all of them, two that come to mind mainly because I was involved were.

First to record an in-flight video with the camera on a CL airplane.
First (and as far as I know still only) club to build the most accurate and sophisticated pull test machines in use.

I'm thinking there are a couple others but can't think of what they might be right now.

    Hi Bob;
   What year was the C/L camera flight? A couple of guys here in St. Louis did this back in the mid to late 60's for some footage that was eventually used in a film for Ford Motor Company. They used a model that was designed for "heavy lift" competition at the time and the flight was at Buder Park. Gary Frost still has a copy of the movie and I have seen it several years ago. I think it was done in 16mm format.
  Type at you later,
  Dan McEntee

[pipemakermike]

So, technically a film rather than a video

[Bob Reeves]

   Hi Bob;
   What year was the C/L camera flight? A couple of guys here in St. Louis did this back in the mid to late 60's for some footage that was eventually used in a film for Ford Motor Company. They used a model that was designed for "heavy lift" competition at the time and the flight was at Buder Park. Gary Frost still has a copy of the movie and I have seen it several years ago. I think it was done in 16mm format.
  Type at you later,
  Dan McEntee

Ya, probably should have said, First to record the full stunt pattern with a camera on the airplane  

Just thought of another Gluedobbers First.
First and maybe the only club to have a web cam (actually two) showing the club circles.
http://www.webcam.somethinxtra.com/

[Don Hutchinson AMA5402]

First person to design and build a model using a symmetrical airfoil that would fly the same right side up or inverted.
Francis Reynolds in 1944, model was the Moitle, a replica of which flew at VSC today.

[john e. holliday]

Bob, just looked and \no one is flying.  Must be at VSC.

And Don, who is taking pictures for posting?

[Mike Keville]

Saw Don's 'Moitle' and 'Go Devil Jr.' on display, but didn't see Don.  Did someone else haul them out here (or have you been hiding, Hutch'?)

[Don Hutchinson AMA5402]

Yes, I did not make the trip this year, just wasn't prepared airplane wise and mental wise. Will try to get my ducks in order for next year. Dale Gleason took the models for the old time model parade.

[Bob Reeves]

<snip> Bob, just looked and \no one is flying.  Must be at VSC.

This time of year if it's warm enough to fly the wind is usually blowing 15-20 MPH. I added a weather bug to the webcam page this morning that displays the temperature and wind speed for Tulsa plus a link back to the Gluedobbers web site. Will give a little insight as to why nobody is flying.

[Dean Pappas]

Ah yes! The first piped Stunter.
Not only did Rich Tower and I accidentally invent it, but I was actually the first to fly one at the '86 Garden State Circle Burners Fall Meet.

best regards,
  Dean P.

[Jim Kraft]

Dean, if I remember right you kind of found out about it on an R/C pattern plane with to long of a pipe. And you thought at the time it would work for a control line stunt plane. Is that right? Or am I not remembering right. I use to allways read your column when I was flying R/C pattern. Always got a lot of good info.

[Larry Fernandez]

Jeff Anderson was the first NATs contestant to "Dine and Dash" at the Texas Roadhouse Cafe in Muncie.  2000

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

[Steve Helmick]

Jeff Anderson was the first NATs contestant to "Dine and Dash" at the Texas Roadhouse Cafe in Muncie.  2000

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

Need we guess who was the driver of the get-away vehicle?  Steve

[Mike Keville]

Jeff Anderson was the first NATs contestant to "Dine and Dash" at the Texas Roadhouse Cafe in Muncie.  2000

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

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And this is something he's proud of??   

[Larry Fernandez]

Need we guess who was the driver of the get-away vehicle?  Steve

I had know idea that Jeff stiffed the Road House until he got into the truck. He held up the bill and said "Drive fast, I didn't pay for $hit"

I was looking out for flashing lights all the way back to the Signature Inn.

Pretty damn funny when I look back on it now.

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

[PJ Rowland]

How about first I ever saw ?

Mike Palko in 2004 was the first electric I ever saw.
Brian Eather in 1990 was the first Tuned Pipe I ever saw.

[Steve Helmick]

I was driving down Hwy. 512 after a NW Skyraiders meeting at John Hall's place. I was following (he didn't know it) Tom Knoppi, just to make sure he got home ok in his Chevy Nova (hand controls and all). A flat tyre would be a problem for the wheelchair equipped "Tommy Team Race". Anyway, I saw a possum (opossum) streaking across the highway. Apparently, it got clipped by one of Tom's tyres, because it rolled into a ball until it cleared the right lane and then scurried off the highway. So, I guess that makes me the first person to ever see a possum cross the road without a fatality of the possum kind. I called Tom the next day, and asked if he saw the possum. "What possum?"  Steve

[Dean Pappas]

Dean, if I remember right you kind of found out about it on an R/C pattern plane with to long of a pipe. And you thought at the time it would work for a control line stunt plane. Is that right? Or am I not remembering right. I use to allways read your column when I was flying R/C pattern. Always got a lot of good info.

Hi Jim ... Hi All,
It's even better than that. As I said, Rich Tower and I stumbled on a nearly perfect Stunt-run as part of our late Winter development of the quiet, low-timed OPS 60 rear intake engine that I ran in '86.
We were laughing ourselves silly as I flew all the shapes at WOT with the '85 ship modified to accept the new engine ... I think Rich's exact words were, "Too bad we ain't flying Stunt these days!" The governing characteristics were that good. Now, for those of you who don't remember Rich, he wrenched for Bobby Hunt back in '78. Yeah he's good at it. Anyway, we  played with our newfound toy for a second flight, packed the car and debriefed in the car on the way back to his workshop. We filed it all away to "curious" and left it at that ... About 7 or 8 months passed

Then Hungary happened. The U.S. Team did not fare so well, that year. Some of their more communicative flying buddies overseas opined that the Tigre 60 setups all three ran sounded too loud and flew too fast. Bob, Rich and I learned this in Bob's shop from Werwage, who was stopping in Jersey on his way back to Berea from landing at JFK. This intel was hot off the presses. So Billy looks at us and asks if we know what to do about the loudness problem! Rich and I stared hopping around like ADHD kids! We told Billy to plan a trip back for a long weekend in a couple of months, and to bring a ship he didn't mind cutting up. Then Hunt was informed that he was coming out of Stunt retirement as of that second. The rest as they say ...

And that's how it happened,
  Dean P.

[Robby Hunt]

Hi Jim ... Hi All,
It's even better than that. As I said, Rich Tower and I stumbled on a nearly perfect Stunt-run as part of our late Winter development of the quiet, low-timed OPS 60 rear intake engine that I ran in '86.
We were laughing ourselves silly as I flew all the shapes at WOT with the '85 ship modified to accept the new engine ... I think Rich's exact words were, "Too bad we ain't flying Stunt these days!" The governing characteristics were that good. Now, for those of you who don't remember Rich, he wrenched for Bobby Hunt back in '78. Yeah he's good at it. Anyway, we  played with our newfound toy for a second flight, packed the car and debriefed in the car on the way back to his workshop. We filed it all away to "curious" and left it at that ... About 7 or 8 months passed

Then Hungary happened. The U.S. Team did not fare so well, that year. Some of their more communicative flying buddies overseas opined that the Tigre 60 setups all three ran sounded too loud and flew too fast. Bob, Rich and I learned this in Bob's shop from Werwage, who was stopping in Jersey on his way back to Berea from landing at JFK. This intel was hot off the presses. So Billy looks at us and asks if we know what to do about the loudness problem! Rich and I stared hopping around like ADHD kids! We told Billy to plan a trip back for a long weekend in a couple of months, and to bring a ship he didn't mind cutting up. Then Hunt was informed that he was coming out of Stunt retirement as of that second. The rest as they say ...

And that's how it happened,
  Dean P.

I think my brother and I were the first to call you Uncle Dean!

[Jim Kraft]

Yeah Dean; Now I remember it better. Old age you know. LOL. It is funny how some of this stuff happens when you arn't looking. I remember Bob Palmer telling about how old high speed stunt turned in to slow precision stunt. It was a funny story. Thanks for the memories, and for writing that column all those years. My last plane was an MK Joker with a YS 60 short stroke that I still have. I think 94 was my last year to compete in R/C pattern. Been flying stunt ever since. I really enjoyed flying pattern and flew it for 25 years until contests became few and far between, and it got to be so much money because of all the new technology. My best memories of flying pattern were in the late 70's to the late 80's, as radios got better and we were still trying to figure out what made a great flying plane.

[RC Storick]

How about first I ever saw ?

Mike Palko in 2004 was the first electric I ever saw.
Brian Eather in 1990 was the first Tuned Pipe I ever saw.

Well I think Walt Brownell was before Mike

[James C. Johnson]

My brother Tom was the first to throw his handle at his plane to keep it from crashing (and it worked) ... back in '69 we all flew at "The Wing" which was called Luckie Waller Park named for the guy who donated the land .. this is located near Otay Mesa (San Diego) ... This was also the site where pioneer aviator John J. Montgomery made the first controlled flight on a glider ever made in the United States.

This is a swear to God true story... we all flew .049s because that is what we could afford... some of us had bigger planes and most didn't last too long.. anyway, he was flying a Swordsman 18 and the down line broke at the plane, soon after take off and the plane started to loop as it only had up control... he was using a small Cox handle... one of the cheap plastic ones ... and we all yelled at him to throw his handle at the plane "to stop the engine"... we were joking... but my brother was gullible... he threw the handle and we stood there and watched the plane climb dragging the handle behind it (with full up control) until it was a speck in the sky... the engine quit... and down it came... dragging the handle behind it... all the while with full up control.. it came down in a quick spiral and was actually flying... to our delight... the little blue plane came in for a very nice landing... we all had a great laugh... we couldn't afford AMA membership ... but we did have an informal club.. The Imperial Beach Model Airplane Club... we had 12 members...

[De Hill]

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This looks like the wing of a B-32.

[Steve Helmick]

My brother Tom was the first to throw his handle at his plane to keep it from crashing (and it worked) ... back in '69

Jim....My brother beat your brother by a full decade on that. It was a Sterling "Polish Fighter" with an O&R .33, tho. It seemed to him that it reduced the damage, but it was still a bad idea. This was while we lived in Pullman, WA, and we left there in June '60 for Edwards AFB. I couldn't say exactly what year it was, but probably '59 or earlier. We were flying on the Women's Play Field on NE Colorado St., across from the Women's Gym. Cyclone fence with locked gates around it now...  Steve