Where did the "600 square inch" thread go?

[Brett Buck]

I think this is different from the one Serge was upset about, but I can't find the "600 square inch" thread, either. That one was also started by Charles, although I don't rad what he asks in thread, nor do I care. That was a good one, with lots of contributions from master modelers and not at all controversial.

    If it has been deleted, please restore it.  The solution to the Avaiojet problem, in general, was clear long ago.

    Brett

[Mark Scarborough]

Brett, Charles deleted it because it was not giving him what HE wanted,,

its a shame, like you said there was a lot of really good insight contained there

[Brett Buck]

Brett, Charles deleted it because it was not giving him what HE wanted,,

its a shame, like you said there was a lot of really good insight contained there

   Just kick him off and be done with it. This is about the third or fourth time he has deleted a thread that I spent a lot of time and effort on, and contained only useful information.

    Brett

   

[Clint Ormosen]

 
Just kick him off and be done with it.

    Brett

  

Yup, more Chucky BS. 50 other guys have said the same thing. Doesn't appear it's going to happen. He's on my permanent ignore list anyway.

[RknRusty]

I was reading and learning from the 600 squares thread. That's mostly what I come here to do.
You can just lock a thread under "Additional Options" without deleting it. Maybe that's the only option that should be available to non-moderators.

Rusty

[Brett Buck]

I was reading and learning from the 600 squares thread. That's mostly what I come here to do.
You can just lock a thread under "Additional Options" without deleting it. Maybe that's the only option that should be available to non-moderators.

Rusty

   I think even that is too much, the mods should decide. I have had (as a side effect of Bob solving a different problem) the ability to delete/modify/split threads for a long time, but I would never consider using it.

   This is a particularly bad case, Charles starts the thread, but almost no one reads his stuf.  Instead of what he asks, which no one really cares about and is pointless anyway, useful information and a very interesting discussion ensued. No one was upset.

   "Thread drift" is one of the best features of this sort of medium. A straight Q/A forum with no thread drift and no ability to elaborate or adjust the direction is close to useless, particularly when you have such a wide range of skills, literally everyone from rank beginners to world champions post on here and SSW.

     Brett

[Bill Morell]

Things were not going Charles way as he wanted some cad work done for free. In basic terms he called a few people liars without actually using the word. Still rather offensive but that's our boy.

[Doug Moon]

    "Thread drift" is one of the best features of this sort of medium. A straight Q/A forum with no thread drift and no ability to elaborate or adjust the direction is close to useless, particularly when you have such a wide range of skills, literally everyone from rank beginners to world champions post on here and SSW.

     Brett

You said a mouthful right there!!  I have learned so much over the years from thread drift....

I was just about to dive into that thread today just to see what it was all about....oh well...

It really sucks you guys wasted all that time. 

[Paul Wood]

You've got to be kidding!  I was saving that thread to read when I had more time.  I thought Robert set the parameters where a person could not delete a thread due to this happening a while back.  "This guy" drives me nuts even though I ignore his nonsense posts.

Paul

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[Brett Buck]

Do as I learned, just ignore his posts. So simple and easy. Do not be a masochist.

   That's great, ignoring him is a fine idea.  But the rest of us were doing something useful, and when he can delete other people's work, that's just beyond the pale.

    Brett

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    So, how rude is it to delete hours of other people's work? Because that's exactly what you did.

   Your suggested solution is right on, you should have been banned at least a year ago for exactly the same behavior, and you should be banned now. It's perfectly clear you are neither learning your lesson, or in any way inclined to change.

   Brett

[Bob Whitely]

Yup!!!  RJ

[Bill Morell]

    So, how rude is it to delete hours of other people's work? Because that's exactly what you did.

   Your suggested solution is right on, you should have been banned at least a year ago for exactly the same behavior, and you should be banned now. It's perfectly clear you are neither learning your lesson, or in any way inclined to change.

   Brett

This is the type of post where you need the "thumbs up"!

[Mark Scarborough]

Robert gave him free reign in his own sandbox I thought, and my impression was that he could call the moon the sun and no one was allowed to dispute it,, but in the general forum I thought he was told not to delete things,, I guess he does not have to play by the rules,, ( yeah you know the ones he copied and pasted here)

[RandySmith]

I think this is different from the one Serge was upset about, but I can't find the "600 square inch" thread, either. That one was also started by Charles, although I don't rad what he asks in thread, nor do I care. That was a good one, with lots of contributions from master modelers and not at all controversial.

    If it has been deleted, please restore it.  The solution to the Avaiojet problem, in general, was clear long ago.

    Brett

Hi Brett, that was the  same thread, it is gone, the way the forum is setup threads cannot be restored as they are not saved anywhere. We have addressed this problem and hopefully it won't happen again.

Randy

[Tim Wescott]

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I can't think of anything more rude or disruptive than to delete a post that someone else has put sincere effort and thought into making.  Deleting an entire thread full of such posts is just that much more rude and disruptive.

Thankfully, the real owners of this forum have removed your ability to vandalize the work of others just because it happens to be in threads that you started.

[Serge_Krauss]

Yes, the "600 Square Inch" is the thread I remembered. I see now that despite my best efforts after others had jumped ship, I'm just a liar like the rest. 'far as I know, what I said about Profili is correct. It is available in different levels and pretty much accomplishes what a modeler would want regarding processing sections and printing and interpolating ribs. 'nothing to invite anyone to go "one on one" over. Huh,...

Threads evolve, and initiating a thread is not owning it or the information it contains. If we make a mistake in starting a thread (like clicking "quote" instead of "modify", or typing what we're really thinking in the heat of some reaction, we do need to be able to quickly delete it, but after the thread becomes a repository for others' contributions, the whole thing no longer belongs to its instigator. While inconvenient and sometimes confusing, I can see allowing someone to delete whatever he himself posts, but never the work of others.

SK

[Mark Scarborough]

Yes, the "600 Square Inch" is the thread I remembered. I see now that despite my best efforts after others had jumped ship, I'm just a liar like the rest. 'far as I know, what I said about Profili is correct. It is available in different levels and pretty much accomplishes what a modeler would want regarding processing sections and printing and interpolating ribs. 'nothing to invite anyone to go "one on one" over. Huh,...

Threads evolve, and initiating a thread is not owning it or the information it contains. If we make a mistake in starting a thread (like clicking "quote" instead of "modify", or typing what we're really thinking in the heat of some reaction, we do need to be able to quickly delete it, but after the thread becomes a repository for others' contributions, the whole thing no longer belongs to its instigator. While inconvenient and sometimes confusing, I can see allowing someone to delete whatever he himself posts, but never the work of others.

SK

agreed 100%

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    Well Chuck good that you posted this because you are in violation of most of these your self. When Robert gave you your own part of the world at CFC Graphics, everyone has been cooperative and stay out of that forum. You , however, get out into the other forums and create trouble like the thread in question here. If you do that, then you are subject to the same rules as the rest of us and subject to being called out to be held accountable. Several guys that do that sort of thing for a living gave you an answer to you problem, and really expanded the discussion that others were enjoying through no effort from you, and you just threw it away. No one was being "rude", just telling the truth. You pitch your CFC Graphics quite often whenever someone mentions the finish of a model and that is spamming. You are rude, and threatening, and quite often post a reply with out completely reading the thread. You need to grow up, grow a set of gonads and learn how to me a man.
   Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee
  

[Bill Morell]

    Well Chuck good that you posted this because you are in violation of most of these your self. When Robert gave you your own part of the world at CFC Graphics, everyone has been cooperative and stay out of that forum. You , however, get out into the other forums and create trouble like the thread in question here. If you do that, then you are subject to the same rules as the rest of us and subject to being called out to be held accountable. Several guys that do that sort of thing for a living gave you an answer to you problem, and really expanded the discussion that others were enjoying through no effort from you, and you just threw it away. No one was being "rude", just telling the truth. You pitch your CFC Graphics quite often whenever someone mentions the finish of a model and that is spamming. You are rude, and threatening, and quite often post a reply with out completely reading the thread. You need to grow up, grow a set of gonads and learn how to me a man.
   Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee


As always, thank you Dan!!
  

[Dick Pacini]

I have an opinion on Charles' thread behavior.  I believe him to be a serious modeler with some decent skills, albeit many beliefs of how he likes things done.

He starts a thread by making a statement, then questions his own statement, trying to induce responses.  Once the thread gets rolling, he makes more statements and asks more questions, often several times in a post.  Again, trying to suck participants into his thread.  Some members here do their utmost to give sincere answers which are not always appreciated.  When the thread goes sour and it's obvious he isn't getting his way, he pulls it.  I believe that his behavior is an attention getting maneuver.  Positive or negative attention, it doesn't matter.  Once he is finished playing, he picks up his toys and leaves.

He was given his own sandbox to play in, but it wasn't enough, so he ventures into other areas and the games continue.

I have never met Charles, but I respect his interest in the hobby.  Some time back, he reached out on this forum trying to locate a spinner extension nut.  I got the idea that he didn't want to have to spend a lot.  As a courtesy, I made him a couple of extensions that he was pleased with.  He offered to supply graphics for any plane I chose.  I haven't taken him up on his offer.

It is a shame when an avid enthusiast of this hobby cannot function within the social parameters outlined.

[billbyles]

I have an opinion on Charles' thread behavior.  I believe him to be a serious modeler with some decent skills, albeit many beliefs of how he likes things done.

He starts a thread by making a statement, then questions his own statement, trying to induce responses.  Once the thread gets rolling, he makes more statements and asks more questions, often several times in a post.  Again, trying to suck participants into his thread.  Some members here do their utmost to give sincere answers which are not always appreciated.  When the thread goes sour and it's obvious he isn't getting his way, he pulls it.  I believe that his behavior is an attention getting maneuver.  Positive or negative attention, it doesn't matter.  Once he is finished playing, he picks up his toys and leaves.

He was given his own sandbox to play in, but it wasn't enough, so he ventures into other areas and the games continue.

I have never met Charles, but I respect his interest in the hobby.  Some time back, he reached out on this forum trying to locate a spinner extension nut.  I got the idea that he didn't want to have to spend a lot.  As a courtesy, I made him a couple of extensions that he was pleased with.  He offered to supply graphics for any plane I chose.  I haven't taken him up on his offer.

It is a shame when an avid enthusiast of this hobby cannot function within the social parameters outlined.

Hi Dick,

Well said!  One might also say (to rephrase your statement above) "Does not play well with others" as regards Charles.

Bill     

[RC Storick]

I for one agree with Dick as I do see skills in Charles work. I try to provide a safe and sane place to play. It does become a burden on us when the "He's looking- He's touching" stuff is going on. Everyone needs to learn some self control. If you don't like something don't look at it. I don't want to hear about the reading the last post button. If it offers you a problem DON'T USE IT!

For the last 25 years I have been a friend of Bill W. (if you have to ask you won't understand) In this 25 years self control has been of the utmost importance. 

[Avaiojet]

Robert,

You know what's going on here and so does everyone else.

I put a great deal of time into contributing to Robert's Stunt Hanger Forum. I can prove it.

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=26737.0

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=25559.0

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=33170.0

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=29070.0

[Clint Ormosen]

I for one agree with Dick as I do see skills in Charles work. I try to provide a safe and sane place to play. It does become a burden on us when the "He's looking- He's touching" stuff is going on. Everyone needs to learn some self control. If you don't like something don't look at it. I don't want to hear about the reading the last post button. If it offers you a problem DON'T USE IT!

For the last 25 years I have been a friend of Bill W. (if you have to ask you won't understand) In this 25 years self control has been of the utmost importance. 

So basically, once again he gets a pass.

[Clint Ormosen]

Robert,

You know what's going on here and so does everyone else.

I put a great deal of time into contributing to Robert's Stunt Hanger Forum. I can prove it.

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=26737.0

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=25559.0

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=33170.0

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=29070.0

Nice collection of static display models.

[Chris Wilson]

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So, by constantly 'acting' as a moderator outside of your own domain, and by virtue of the very law that you evoked yourself, you in fact 'want' to fall on your own sword and be banned - because that is the only logical conclusion that I can come to here.

[Mark Scarborough]

I for one agree with Dick as I do see skills in Charles work. I try to provide a safe and sane place to play. It does become a burden on us when the "He's looking- He's touching" stuff is going on. Everyone needs to learn some self control. If you don't like something don't look at it. I don't want to hear about the reading the last post button. If it offers you a problem DON'T USE IT!

For the last 25 years I have been a friend of Bill W. (if you have to ask you won't understand) In this 25 years self control has been of the utmost importance. 

Robert,, by way of understanding,, do you propose that we ignore his intentional jabs and name calling,, as well as his dissemination of false information, at the cost of misinforming those who dont know the difference? that seems counter-intuitive to what your intent in this forum is..
I do not appreciate being called a liar, especially when I am giving valid response to his question

[RC Storick]

What would you have me do? Just shut this all down?

Charles take a brake! I am starting to get pi$$ed off for sure.

[Bill Morell]

Robert,

You know what's going on here and so does everyone else.

I put a great deal of time into contributing to Robert's Stunt Hanger Forum. I can prove it.

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=26737.0

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=25559.0

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=33170.0

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=29070.0

Asking questions  and getting people to take time out of their lives to answer you to only have you turn it into a fart in the wind by deleting it is a interesting way of contributing.

[Mark Scarborough]

What would you have me do? Just shut this all down?

Charles take a brake! I am starting to get pi$$ed off for sure.

Robert,, I am not trying to be difficult,, I am trying to find out how you want us to deal with it,,

I respect that you want this to be a friendly place,,
it is a shame that one person stirs so much discontent,, just like he did on RCgroups ( or RC universe) cant recall which,,

and no, I dont want it shut down, but he cannot be allowed to devalue the work of so many ,, so easily,,

end rant,,
sorry for the heartache this is causing,,

[Mike Keville]

Absolutely amazing how one person has somehow gained enough 'stroke' to nearly (?) destroy a great website.

[Tim Wescott]

Nice collection of static display models.

I can't think of a single build thread that I've started, other than one over on hippocket for an RC plane that's half-built on my bench right now, where I haven't finished the plane and flown it.

Granted, I'm not as prolific (or profligate?) as Robert, but I do start 'em, work on 'em, then finish 'em and FLY 'em!

[RC Storick]

Absolutely amazing how one person has somehow gained enough 'stroke' to nearly (?) destroy a great website.

No one has nor will it ever be taken down. I just get tired.

[Brett Buck]

What would you have me do? Just shut this all down?

    Of course, don't shut it down!  Just shut him down.

    I understand that you want to be tolerant, and that you want accommodate anyone or their point of view - that's very laudable. If he wants to post nonsense, fine, let other people either ignore it or contradict it. I get that he may even seem a good foil for some of us and that you might get a kick out of it.

    But you can't permit him to, effectively, set the agenda. I know this is not what you are thinking, but it appears that you are willing to let Charles make unilateral decisions about the value of everyone else's contributions. It looks like that you are favoring him and accommodating him to an extreme degree, over the rest of us. No matter what he does, there are no real consequences, while the rest of us not only just have to have our contributions wiped out in one of his predictable fits of pique, if we complain about it or ask for action, we are the problem and get yelled at, not him.

    Don't forget that the basic problem is that he intentionally causes havoc - not that everyone got upset with him for it.

     You may think you can reason with him, but I seriously doubt it. He has no idea why everybody is upset with him. I mean, look at the responses he has written to this, they are utterly delusional. He sees the issue as everybody acting strangely while he is the one sane man, and that it is his job to keep the discussion flowing in the direction he wants it to flow.

     Making him a mod of his own forum convinced him that he is part of the site management, so he probably thinks he is just keeping a lid on "his" site.

      If you just remove his mod privileges, he will have to ramp up his nonsense posts elsewhere to get attention, and then he will inundate you with takedown requests as other people respond in a way he does not like or approve of - which will be nearly all of them. It's perfectly clear that even now, after deleting other people's posts yet again, and causing havoc for more than a year, and listening to whatever you have told him off-line he still considers himself the innocent victim of a bunch of bullies instead of the wrecking ball that he has been.

  Everybody, including you, have been putting up with this for a few years now. I think we all understand that this is your forum and you can certainly decide how you want to run it. But you can't let Charles wreck it for everyone else, and he definitely is not learning his lesson.


     Brett
    

[wwwarbird]

 Ditto to Brett's responses, and "delusional" is an excellent description. It's an easy fix Robert, and painfully well past time to take care of THE problem.

[RC Storick]

All his privileges have been removed along with everyone's to delete posts that they have started. Which is my fault in thinking when I started this forum that everyone could play nice. The benevolent dictatorship will have to come out again.

Back to the build table for a while I would like to get these last 15 ribs in tonight.

[wwwarbird]

 Not what we've been asking for, but that's what we got. 

[Bill Morell]

All the other forums where he "used to be" knew exactly what to do.........

[RC Storick]

I know what to do and I don't need anyone to tell me how to do it. Thanks

[RC Storick]

This is going nowhere! So I am shutting it down.