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Offline Larry Renger

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What’s so hard?
« on: July 20, 2020, 09:16:55 PM »
If you are in a high risk group (like me) and near other near other people, wear the best mask you can get. If you are alone in open space, don’t wear one. Keep in mind the exposure potential to infection and mask or not as needed. It isn’t rocket brain science!
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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2020, 01:01:16 AM »
Well, if you're outdoors and more than 6 ft from them that would be a Guinness world record urine stream wouldn't it? And if it's a she, well....................
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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2020, 03:26:30 AM »
Agreed - and even if it IS rocket science, rocket science is mostly engineering, and that's what we model aeronautical engineers are supposed to be good at, right?
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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2020, 12:58:24 PM »
At my condition doing good to just get the thingy out of the pants far enough so I don't have to change the pad again. D>K

Oh, I wear the mask now to keep from spreading old  age,  grumpyness and bad breath. LL~
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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2020, 01:27:58 PM »
If you are in a high risk group (like me) and near other near other people, wear the best mask you can get. If you are alone in open space, don’t wear one. Keep in mind the exposure potential to infection and mask or not as needed. It isn’t rocket brain science!

  Right, it's very close to superstition. So, the question boils down to "why is it dangerous to believe in magic?" . To first approximation, you might do as well carrying a rabbit's foot or swinging a dead cat at midnight, neither of those are dangerous or risky (for you, tough luck for a cat or rabbit), either.

      I draw the line when some apparatchik makes a "law" that everyone must carry a rabbits foot at all times to "protect" everyone else.

     I think you have a legitimate concern about your health, Wuhan Flu is definitely a real thing and has a disproportionate effect in your demographic category. I think you should take *useful* precautions to protect yourself, and not rely on magic and social manipulation. THAT is the danger.

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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2020, 02:28:03 PM »
Well, the dead cat could still have fleas.
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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2020, 02:42:15 PM »
  Right, it's very close to superstition. So, the question boils down to "why is it dangerous to believe in magic?" . To first approximation, you might do as well carrying a rabbit's foot or swinging a dead cat at midnight, neither of those are dangerous or risky (for you, tough luck for a cat or rabbit), either.

      I draw the line when some apparatchik makes a "law" that everyone must carry a rabbits foot at all times to "protect" everyone else.

     I think you have a legitimate concern about your health, Wuhan Flu is definitely a real thing and has a disproportionate effect in your demographic category. I think you should take *useful* precautions to protect yourself, and not rely on magic and social manipulation. THAT is the danger.

    Brett

Simple, just don't have dinner with Adam from Mythbusters when he has a runny nose and you are all set.

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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2020, 06:07:35 PM »
Does anybody else remember the predictions  (about a year or two ago) for bad things to happen after antibacterial hand soaps became so popular and available? Something silly about reducing opportunities to build up our natural immunities. Then along came the Chi-Com flu and we've got to soak our hands in 70%+ alcohol and social distance.  Hahahahaha!   LL~ Steve
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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2020, 05:57:48 AM »
Well, if you're outdoors and more than 6 ft from them that would be a Guinness world record urine stream wouldn't it? And if it's a she, well....................

prostate and weak flow problems must be a b!tch...  6' ain't that far if ya gotta go!

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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2020, 07:54:35 AM »
prostate and weak flow problems must be a b!tch...  6' ain't that far if ya gotta go!

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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2020, 08:24:52 AM »
At my condition doing good to just get the thingy out of the pants far enough so I don't have to change the pad again. D>K

Oh, I wear the mask now to keep from spreading old  age,  grumpyness and bad breath. LL~

Same condition like you  y1,
an olé trick , show him a pic  n~ use it like a bait and thingy will raise his head  #^.
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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2020, 10:01:14 AM »
GOD!  I hope that I never act as stupid as you old farts are doing LOL

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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2020, 10:52:57 AM »
Hilarious.
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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2020, 01:57:56 PM »
GOD!  I hope that I never act as stupid as you old farts are doing LOL


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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2020, 02:00:50 PM »
WERE ALL GOING TO DIE ~^
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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2020, 07:43:39 PM »
WERE ALL GOING TO DIE ~^

You mean "we're all going to die".

Yes, you're correct, we are.

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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2020, 08:14:24 PM »
You mean "we're all going to die".

Yes, you're correct, we are.
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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2020, 08:41:23 PM »
Keep an eye out for those Grammer Police. They're writing tickets.


They’re pikers compared to the spelling cops.

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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2020, 09:18:10 PM »
... so I don't get any credit for the pun?

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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2020, 11:00:09 PM »
Can someone help, I am being held without bail after being arrested for abusing an underage apostrophe.  :P
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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2020, 11:28:31 PM »
Think for yourself !  XXX might win the Nats, be an expert on designing, building, finishing, flying, tuning engines - but you might not wanna take tax advice from him.  Or consider his views on the climate to be fact ...

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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2020, 11:40:30 PM »
yeah masks work so well....

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« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2020, 02:38:28 AM »
Thank you for demonstrating how the mask works, Jared.
As you can see, not much flies straight ahead. That’s where people you interact with usually are.
Of course it’s not a gas mask, but looking at how many cases you have, and counting, even a small effect will make a difference. L

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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2020, 06:51:31 AM »
As you can see, not much flies straight ahead. That’s where people you interact with usually are.

Yeah, pay no attention to the virus being blown in literally every other direction except forward. Everyone knows people are always in front of you, never beside or behind.

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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2020, 08:45:01 AM »
A lot of what masks to is to take energy out of the exhale and limit the radius of spray, like a muffler. 
Mufflers work, but don't eliminate oil being sprayed, and most people don't have issues with mufflers. 
Most of us get that mufflers help limit oil spray, but yet have issues with masks

Some people have resisted mufflers "because they were told to do it" a lot like the mask issues. 
Masks slow spread of corona
Mufflers slow the loss of flying sites.   

masks help at worst little, at most a lot and it is all we can do to slow this down.   

so you will wear a mask for sanding


Or this?


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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2020, 02:36:05 PM »
Went to the bank yesterday to pay my credit card bill. There is just "something wrong" about wearing a mask in a bank!!!!

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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2020, 02:57:45 PM »
Went to the bank yesterday to pay my credit card bill. There is just "something wrong" about wearing a mask in a bank!!!!

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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2020, 06:41:00 PM »
Only if you are carrying a gun.
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« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2020, 02:05:14 AM »
You mean "we're all going to die".

Yes, you're correct, we are.

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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2020, 04:37:37 AM »
I hate pessimists, I prefer optimists.
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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2020, 12:55:15 PM »
With out eye protection, hand sanitizer and not touching, the mask is a joke. D>K

Did my laundry yesterday.  The gentleman who works there had no mask.  Customer who was doing laundry did not have mask on until he seen me.   I had my mask pulled down so I could breath.   Yes it was around my neck.  finished laundry and went home. D>K

Had to get quarters at laundry as bank had dozen people lined up out side waiting.   When I seen several go in with the police man holding the door not wearing a mask, including the policeman.  I decided to try the laundry for quarters.   
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« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2020, 06:19:17 AM »
Masks are NOT a joke. There have been plenty of demonstrations shown in the news, showing the limited range and attenuation of the spread of like-sized particles by masks. It should not come as a surprise that anything in the path of particles will intercept some of them. You may cherry-pick your illustrations and disregard the lack of comparisons with like color contrast to unmasked coughs, or simple exhaling, but it is not just at your own risk, but at risk to those with whom you interact (and they may be people far down the road from you in the chain of interactions).  The fact that other countries have stemmed the spread of this very infectious virus by simply using masks, distancing, and cleansing, coupled with testing/quarantining, as compared to our seventh-worst spread in the world, due to misbehavior, means something. That a small fraction of our population has died from this has been used as an excuse - until that disease causes the complainer or a loved one to die alone and often in agony. That's when they realize that diseases can come home. I am damned tired of "heroes" demanding their "God given" rights to infect and kill. It's way past time for responsibility to prevail.

The European Union has 36% more people than the US; so this graph would be even more damning, if it were shown per capita. Not only has their total infection rate been controlled much better than ours. but the contrast is staggering. This graph is over three weeks old, and our linear increase has maintained itself since, so that there is an even more marked contrast between their number of infections and ours. The difference? Our cavalier attitude toward what scientists and health experts tell us and willingness to believe lying politicians, rather than those who know and care. This serious problem should NEVER have been politicized.

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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #32 on: July 25, 2020, 07:32:12 PM »
Go ahead, deniers, eschew masks, refuse vaccinations, I will outlive you and buy your model stuff from your widow for practically nothing unless she sends it to the dump first.  VD~

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« Reply #33 on: July 26, 2020, 01:15:34 PM »
Come on Serge even you can extrapolate MASSIVE increase in USA testing to little or no increase in EU testing (per capita) and draw rational relative conclusions...Sadly I expected YOU would have been a more rational scientific mind...guess I was wrong
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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #34 on: July 26, 2020, 01:48:07 PM »
Masks are NOT a joke. There have been plenty of demonstrations shown in the news, showing the limited range and attenuation of the spread of like-sized particles by masks. It should not come as a surprise that anything in the path of particles will intercept some of them. You may cherry-pick your illustrations and disregard the lack of comparisons with like color contrast to unmasked coughs, or simple exhaling, but it is not just at your own risk, but at risk to those with whom you interact (and they may be people far down the road from you in the chain of interactions).  The fact that other countries have stemmed the spread of this very infectious virus by simply using masks, distancing, and cleansing, coupled with testing/quarantining, as compared to our seventh-worst spread in the world, due to misbehavior, means something. That a small fraction of our population has died from this has been used as an excuse - until that disease causes the complainer or a loved one to die alone and often in agony. That's when they realize that diseases can come home. I am damned tired of "heroes" demanding their "God given" rights to infect and kill. It's way past time for responsibility to prevail.

The European Union has 36% more people than the US; so this graph would be even more damning, if it were shown per capita. Not only has their total infection rate been controlled much better than ours. but the contrast is staggering. This graph is over three weeks old, and our linear increase has maintained itself since, so that there is an even more marked contrast between their number of infections and ours. The difference? Our cavalier attitude toward what scientists and health experts tell us and willingness to believe lying politicians, rather than those who know and care. This serious problem should NEVER have been politicized.

Serge, I completely agree with those (highlighted) statements!  And I really appreciate you "telling it like it is"!

With that same directness and force, please tell us what you think of exemptions for politicians, protestors, people of color, etc. and those who make those exemptions?  TIA!
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« Reply #35 on: July 26, 2020, 01:50:54 PM »
I guess I'm sold.  Son-in-law taken to emergency this AM after being exposed about a week ago.   Church canceled after Pastor bring exposed and under going tests.  Don't know what daughter is going to do.   Also grand daughter and her partner now in quarantined for over a week after she was exposed at her work location.  :(
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« Reply #36 on: July 26, 2020, 04:15:12 PM »
I guess I'm sold.  Son-in-law taken to emergency this AM after being exposed about a week ago.   Church canceled after Pastor bring exposed and under going tests.  Don't know what daughter is going to do.   Also grand daughter and her partner now in quarantined for over a week after she was exposed at her work location.  :(

  Sold on what? If you thought there was no such thing, then, that was certainly wrong, it definitely is real, and for some demographic and risk groups, very dangerous.

   What is not real is the hysteria over it, and the draconian measures used to try to "keep you safe". The only way to realistic "keep you safe" is to isolate yourself from other people that might have it, until there is a vaccine -  not wear masks, not wash your hands a lot, not stay 6' 1" from everyone else. The chance of you never being exposed to it at all, ever, is nearly zero, or close enough to ignore, so then it's a matter of statistical and medical luck whether you are in the 99.95% that survive, or about 97% that experience no more than a typical cold.

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« Reply #37 on: July 26, 2020, 06:01:49 PM »
Some life must go on on. Maximum protection and minimum exposure when shopping or home deliveries beat starvation. Some stuff HAS to happen. Just be as careful as you can.
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« Reply #38 on: July 26, 2020, 06:28:41 PM »
Doc,

I am really sorry you are going through this trauma and hope for the best for your family and pastor. This plague isn’t something to be wished on (almost) anyone. (I do have a little list as mentioned by Gilbert and Sullivan) All joking aside keep to the safe protocols now, they aren’t perfect, but they do improve the odds.

Take care of yourself. We really want you around for a while yet.
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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2020, 07:32:00 PM »
Doc - What Larry said.

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« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2020, 09:02:48 PM »
This has the indication of being more ominous than many of us suspect.

* Yes, there is a virus.

* Yes, it can be very harmful, especially to "high risk" groups.

* Mask and their use or non-use is debatable either way.

However, what is ominous to me is that we (you know, us "peasants") are being fed ONLY what the MSM and large social networks want us to hear. ANY contrary evidence or view points, are deleted.

Don't believe me? Then try to find the video that Prager U posted concerning the recent summit held in DC among many in the medical field that is referenced in the link below. I've already tried all the links that I read about via a thread at Prager U's Tube channel, and all the links lead to a deleted video, whether its YouToob, Vimeo, Instagram, whatever. Gone. Private individuals tried to re-upload it and it would be purged within seconds of uploading. You can read more details at the link below.

https://www.prageru.com/petition/doctors/

This is far deeper, and far more alarming, than I actually imagined. It's bad enough to see what's happening, but if it is indeed true that we have effective treatments that are essentially being withheld and suppressed in order to further agenda, then that is worse than reprehensible.

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« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2020, 03:51:48 AM »
Doc,

I am really sorry you are going through this trauma and hope for the best for your family and pastor. This plague isn’t something to be wished on (almost) anyone. (I do have a little list as mentioned by Gilbert and Sullivan) All joking aside keep to the safe protocols now, they aren’t perfect, but they do improve the odds.

Take care of yourself. We really want you around for a while yet


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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2020, 12:54:57 PM »
My purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2020, 01:38:56 PM »

Accurate or not, I will grant you that was a GOOD reason to wear masks around others, more so if one is symptomatic.

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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2020, 02:17:19 PM »
Also...

I didn't plow through the 58 minute video, but of what I sampled, it sounds as if the lady has some "unique" religious beliefs.

Be that as it may, the issue remains that the only viewpoints/opinions/reviews/etc, that seem to be allowed and aired are those that fall in line with the current narrative.

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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #48 on: July 29, 2020, 09:38:02 PM »

... Be that as it may, the issue remains that the only viewpoints/opinions/reviews/etc, that seem to be allowed and aired are those that fall in line with the current narrative.

Andre


You really think so, Andre?

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Re: What’s so hard?
« Reply #49 on: July 29, 2020, 10:29:56 PM »
Well, I have seen and read many opinions on both sides of this discussion and honest scientific test regarding masks. This is my take away. There is a lot equally valid opinions on both sides some or both being claimed as based upon "science". Trouble is that a lot of what is called science isn't. For instance, proof of masks working being drawn from a conclusion that a country is using masks, for instance Japan, and they have a lower rate of infection, therefor masks work. Sorry, that isn't science, it is anecdotal conclusion. Science has a cause and effect predictable by an input. The culture of Japan has a very high hygiene element which skews the result.

Scientific testing begins with, we took two groups who participated in a study, one group wore surgeons masks the other didn't. All were exposed to similar conditions of exposure to virus' throughout their work day. In the end both groups exhibited x and y rates of infection. That is science. Oh and that particular test result was x=y or null result in the effectiveness of the wearing of masks, both groups had the same rate of infection.  Then another set of testing included the addition of additional attention of hygiene, washing hands etc, then mask group becomes ever so slightly less likely to contract an illness from a virus. That conclusion becomes one which points more to but not conclusively, towards simple hygiene as being the "remedy". Another similar test compares the N95 mask with the surgeons mask and finds no discernible difference in performance between the two. 

Here's some interesting details for you. The COVID virus molecule is about 0.01 microns across. A gasoline molecule is about 5 microns or about 500 times larger than the virus in size. It is a true statement that a mask will stop spit splatter but that is a small portion of what is expired from a breath. Masks freely pass your breath and molecular water vapor just as readily as letting air and other atomized molecular vapors in. An interesting test to see how well a mask filters particles or vapors is to test it via a sniff test. Put a mask on and sniff an open gas can. If gas can scent can be detected, anything smaller is passing readily, virus' included.

From this and above documented scientific testing, I conclude that wearing masks in mostly ineffective at keeping me safe from the virus and that the most likely transmission is via contact with things people have touched. I also conclude that me wearing a mask is mostly ineffective at keeping you safe from me and that if you are so concerned, you have the ability to maintain your distance and I will respect that. BTW, I am a person with a disability which wearing a mask is a problem.

Because I decide of my own set of knowledge of evidence presented to my very right brained scientific self, that a mask is not necessary does not make me wrong. That you decide that the anecdotal evidence and social pressures combined with your concern makes you believe a mask is necessary does not make you wrong. What is wrong is when one or the other decides to impose their will upon the other because their correctness is superior. That is the definition of tyranny. Collectively, if we agree on a compromise solution then that is democracy.
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