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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Avaiojet on May 10, 2012, 09:43:01 AM
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I learned on a Flite Streak JR. with a Fox 15.
Over 50 years ago!
Charles
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Cox PT-19, about 47 years ago... H^^
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Sig Shoestring with a Fox 15.
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Please define "fly". When I was a kid I learned to mostly crash and I am still learning, however the most successful model that I learned to "fly" on was a Goldberg Lil Wizard with a Golden Bee 049. This is an excellent trainer.
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Wenmac King Cobra. It did get off the ground a few times but in all honesty I just learned how to Taxi very fast most days.
1st "real" model was a Rascal (Aeromoddeler design by Ron Moulton). 26", 1.5cc DC Sabre.
TTFN
John.
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I sort of learned to fly on Scientific hollow log planes with a OK Cub .049. Lots of crashes. Later learned to fly some of the stunt pattern on a Ringmaster Jr. with a Fox 15 slant plug.
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1st thing i ever flew was Cox Corsair back in the 60s I think it was blue i sold seeds out of one of the adds in the comic books and earned enough points to get the Corsair i was Happy kid when that plane arrived. My first big plane i learned loops and tricks on was a Red RING MASTER with a Fox 35 Bob Reeves Lloyd Gregory help build it and fly it.
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1st successful flight I remember was Goldberg Li'l Wizard and Cox Babe Bee. I was pretty young. I think this is the first combination that I consistently ran out of fuel before the crash.
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Well, first flight was a Wenmac P-39 (ended in a splat). Learned to fly with a Guillow Trainer III with a Torpedo 35. Learned to do loops and fly inverted with a Flying Clown with Enya 19 and did my first pattern with a Coyote and an Enya 35. So it depends on how you look at it.
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First plane I remember as "flying" was a Goldberg Stuntman 24,, ( think that was what it was called,, ) with a black widow,, I had lots of others but they only kinda flew,, I did my first loop on the stuntman,, then I got a Cox bf 109 ( with the hollow foam wings, like the chipmunk) I LOVED that plane,, after those I got a Goldberg shoestring profile with a McCoy red head 40 on it,,
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It was 59 years ago and I didn't build it, I didn't own it and I have no clue as to what it was. I even wrecked it a few times and didn't have to rebuild it. Life is good when your 8 years old.
dennis
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I too learned on a Scientific hollow log plane that my uncle built for me. I was 4 1/2. Summer of 1960 I remember it being blue and grey and had a penny for tip weight.
Cox 049
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Hey, I'm still learning to fly. n~ Really first attempt at control line was a Fire Baby with a Thimble Drome .049 and was way nose heavy. Lasted all of about 9 laps. Next plane was a Scientific Sport Racer which was not a hollow log kit. Power was an OK Cub .049A also a little heavy on the nose. But what did I know back then. First loop was on the Scientific American Boy with the old OK Cub.
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Testor's Freshman 29 and McCoy 35 Red Head.
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June 1981. Cox F-15. I still remember my older brother cheering madly as I made my first lap, then another, then another and I was finally flying!
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Uhhhh? Tait' rememba' the model with came with my Spitzeeeeee' Jr? From AHC catalog n~ (Opps...that datemaaself as bein' about 100 years old n foldin'LL~
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A Junior - - not a Baby - - Ringmaster with a Cub .074. It took half a lap on the infield dirt to get it into the air. Once there it would lose line tension if it got higher than fifteen or twenty feet. It was very slow, but sturdy. Four of us - - all kids, no adult help or supervision - - used it to learn to fly and it survived us all. I can vividly recall the four of us bragging about how many laps we did until it became commonplace to run out the tank. It has never again been so much fun.
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Summer ...... 1953, 59 years ago, I flew my first control line flights on a Scientific LITTLE ACE team racer...... a hollow log ....with an O.K. Cub .049 engine........ then on the a Guillows Trixter B-C profile with a K&B .29 greenhead ......... and on to a Sterling S-1 Ringmaster with a sandcast 1950 Fox .29 stunt engine ........ and on ........and on and....... y1 D>K H^^
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It's OK, Donnie, you don't look a day over 95.
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46 years ago on a Sterling Ringmaster S1 running an Enya 35 III BB.
Pat
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Flight Streak McCoy 35 in about 64, didn't get in the hobby till I was an adult in the NAVY.
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Place: The airport at Ponca City, Oklahoma.
Year: 1954
Airplane: Ringmaster with a cut down elevator.
Power: A front rotor Forster .29 on glow.
Fuel: Testor's 39 in a yellow can. (I think )
That was fun!
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I believe for me it was 1977 flying a Midwest P-63 with a K&B Stallion.35. I just remember how my dad actually taught me. Rather than go for a whole tank he would fly it until near end of the flight and hand it off to me. All I flew at the time was 1/2A and this actually was pretty scary. I just remember him telling me to just do an inside loop. I suppose when your smaller the plane just seemed to be extremely large at the time. I successfully looped and still remember that day if it was yesterday. The plane is still hanging downstairs. A great reminder of enjoyment. Ken
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Scientific profile 1/2a Spitfire. Painted in gray dope. (My first made 1/2a was painted in enamel, that Chipmunk lost it's paint when I started the Atwood 049. So. On to the next.) Unlike my plastic Cox Cub that did a spectacular wingover on takeoff without pullout, the Spit flew. Level. Up and down. Draining the Perfect wedge tank. I was astonished.
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Firebaby & Cub 049B first full tank flights at 6yrs. old. First loops with guillows profile trainer I, with cub 074. First inverted flying with Ringmaster JR & Fox 19. Testors 39 was .85 cents a quart. Now I'm a beginner again. LL~
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A progression of planes starting with various Scientific models with Cox .049's.
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1949-50. A flying Clown with an O&R .19 that came as a kit from the factory. The kit cost $1.00. I painted it all black because that was the only color I had.
Joe Just
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Started with Scientific Hollow Logs, Cox Baby Bee and OK Cubs for power in the mid 1950s. Went on to build from magazine plans. First "big plane", 30" x 8" symmetrical airfoil box fuselage, was powered by a McCoy 19 Red Head rear rotor. Flew on the dirt baseball diamonds at Camp Pickett, VA where my dad was stationed.
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First flight ever was on a Cox Super Sport trainer mid 70's. Probably didn't learn anything since it was about a 2 lap flight.
Then around fall of 2007 began learning to go round and round on an 80's vintage slow combat ship. Got the hang of loops and figure 8's.
Progressed through a Twister, Kaz Minato Sukhoi profile, and Primary Force learning beginner then full pattern.
-Chris
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Firebaby, Spitzy, 1956. Dad put me on his shoulders and showed me how to fly, I soloed later that day. about 10 years ago Dad gifted me with that same engine, it will stay in my collection.
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1956 - Ringmaster with McCoy 36. Still have the McCoy.
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1952 - one of the very first $2.95 Ringmaster kits...Fox .29, Powermist fuel (green can). Crudest model you ever saw. Smashed it twice before getting the hang of things.
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1/2 Baby Ringmaster. Busted that thing up more times than I can count, moved on to busting up the 35 size Rigmaster after that.
James
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Place: The airport at Ponca City, Oklahoma.
Year: 1954
Airplane: Ringmaster with a cut down elevator.
Power: A front rotor Forster .29 on glow.
Fuel: Testor's 39 in a yellow can. (I think )
That was fun!
Hey De...
That's amazing...I learned to fly the same year with precisely the same equipment, in KC MO. Didn't have a cut down elevator though.
Small World!
I still have the Forster .29.
Randy Cuberly
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Australian Taipan Trainer with a Hiness 1.5cc glow screamer - 1975 I think.
The model had the glide rate of a cast iron sewer cover and when the engine cut you were probably better off to put the handle down on ground rather than attempt to guide and glide!
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Began in 1950 with a Scientific Lil Bipe and Spitfire 045, then Puddle Jumper with Spitzy. Didn't get them to actually fly very much. Was frustrated. An older flier told me to get a larger engine. So I got a Testors Freshman 19 with a Torp 19 greenhead. Learned level flight and control and first (large) loop. Then on to the S-1 with a sandcast Fox 35 w/4 bolt head. The Fox then went into a Warrior. I still have the Torp and the Fox (with 3 lugs).
Now, after all those years, I am enjoying my hobby and my free time.
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A Top Flite Streak Trainer with a McCoy .19, when I was about nine.
Then onto a Top Flite Combat Streak with a Webra .15 diesel. Dad dolled it up a bit with a canopy and landing gear. I got a lot of miles out it.
Id love to find one of those Webras and relive my childhood.
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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This isnt exactly the "FIRST" model I flew - but certainly the one I learnt to fly on - What makes it more special I still have it today in the Garage. - I confess its a Hanger Queen :)
Its an aeroflight Kit - Hurricane - I didnt actually know that until tonight when I spoke to Dad to ask him some information about it - I always called it me " ding HO " I just thought thats what it was called because that was the sticked that came on the side of the model - Looking today you can just BEARLY make it out.. - The only reference I can find is a Bomber squadron called DING HOW, maybe thats what it was meant to read and the W fell off over time.. Weird..
We dont know what engine it originally was designed for but when I flew it Is had an OS .15. According to dad, it was the very 1st model he ever built for me to fly , when I was 5 yrs old.
We think it was crashed 10 + times mostly just ground shaves nothing major but the wing has been recovered - rebuilt and repainted.
I took it out about 5 years ago for a laugh and it still flew just like I remembered !! ~>
The Photo below is of me holding it when I was about 5 or 6 - I also thought it would be funny to snap a photo of me holding it today - just to compare.
(http://i53.tinypic.com/23hu8w0.jpg)
Fast Forward 25 Years...
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Swordsman 18 with a Babe Bee.
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Ringmaster Jr. with a Fox 15. Boy, that airplane took a lot of abuse.
Bill Hodges
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Cox PT 19, Testors Rivets ( big Cosmic Wind),cox P-51- the neighborhood fleet back in '69 or 70. Got the basics down, learned how to run a 1/2a, and flew /crashed them to pieces. Then the Sterling Beginners series of 1/2a profiles, CG Wizzard, Lil' Jumpin Bean, etc.
Finally started really flying when dad bought me an S-1 Rinmaster and a K&B Stallion .35, loved that combo, even made it throughmy 1st whole gallon of fuel I ever bought!
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My buddy, Russell Cocoa's Scientific 1/2A Stuntmaster, Golden Hawk, and Baby Ringmaster. Surprisingly, we crashed only a few times. Always flew in high grass , so the times when we put'er in there was little damage. 1958-'59
Doug
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The Photo below is of me holding it when I was about 5 or 6 - I also thought it would be funny to snap a photo of me holding it today - just to compare.
Fast Forward 25 Years...
So when, exactly, over the past 25 years did your hair start standing straight up??? LL~ n~
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Around 1940 with a trainer very similar to the Guillos ABC but slightly bigger(bought it out of a mag. O&R 60 on ignition.-- O&R fuel--- I believe #1 for gas and oil. If I remember, the lines were solid single strand. I wonder how I ever learned to fly on those. We almost NEVER wiped them down.
First plane to loop successfully-- Jhonny Casburn "little (or Babby) Mis-Behave" around 1946.
Bigiron
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Well, about 50 years age I learned to fly, and rebuild, a Veco Papoose with a McCoy .19.
Dalton H
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I've reported this (or some variant of it) before. First two planes didn't actually fly, but instead went around mostly uncontrolled before crashing. #1, in 1945,a converted free flight "Spook 48" with O&R 23 (spark). #2 in 1946, was a Casburn Baby Miss Behave, with solid balsa wings and O&R 23 (spark ignition).
First really successful flying, also in 1946 or 1947 was a scratch-built stunter (I got it RTF) with Madewell 49. Couldn't get the motor to run more than a minute, but that was enough! Floyd
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I believe it was in the 50's and it was a Cox plastic plane. White with red checkerboard and an actual airfoil wing. Thin plastic formed wing. Don't remember the name of the plane but I'm sure if I still had it Id be rich.
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In 1963 I got a Cox Mantz racer p-51 to get off the ground every now and then. The engine went into a Scientific King Cobra which surprisingly flew well. In the mean time I learned how to do loops and fly inverted on an Enterprise Sure Thing w/McCoy .19 from a buddy of mine. Next came the Goldberg Shoestring/McCoy Red Head and I learned almost the entire pattern using it.
As has been said by others, those fun times cannot be relived!
BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
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Brodak Smoothie ARF with an OS 35 back in 2005!
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Steve : When I was 18 :)
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I can't remember back that far. A Sig Deweybird, I think. That or a 1/2-A Skyray.
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Ohlsson 23 Baby Shark and Baby Miss Behave, 1945, St Paul, Minnesota.
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Late 1940's home brew 1/2A,Cub .o49. Grandparents got me the motor and a 6 volt battery. I tried to start that motor with the burned out glow plug for three weeks. They took me to Kirns Hobby in Binghamton NY. He changed the plug and started the motor holding it in his hand. ~^ Years later I did the same thing at the same hobby store for customers. Leo Kirn was a great old guy. Funny he was a lot younger then than I am now. y1
EddyR
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First airplane was a plastic Beech Bonanza with a WenMac 049. Then some Scientifics with Baby Bees. My first actual flying airplane that would do loops and inverted was a T-Square with a McCoy redhead 35. I made a wire landing gear so I could launch from the dirt. I broke the bolt on motor mounts so many times that I sawed some out of aluminum and then I could take them off and pound them straight again. I don't remember what happened to that plane.
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The first model I flew was a I think Sterling Mustang. I know it was a mustang. That I put a cox .049 I think it was a golden bee but not 100 % sure which model cox...
I had my Dads help which never worked . He would push the plane trying to make it fly whick would cause it to bounce and fly across the circle. That's when I met Dick Kurt. Whom came over and gave the model a hand launch. From there I started flying a Shoestring stunter.
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Wee Duper Zilch with a McCoy 098.
Bridgeton, NJ, 1953.
From a hand launch, I flew the entire flight, the first successful ever.
The first plane I ever got was an Aeromite with a Wasp 049. It was made of high-impact Styrene. High impact - lots of little pieces!
Bob Z.
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Another Scientific hollow log pilot here - the Stinson Voyager with a Cox Thimbledrome Space Bug Jr. 049 on it. The engine name was bigger than the plane!! I have one of those screwed to my balsa cabinet - the engine, not the plane. y1
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Jim Walker original Firebaby, with a McCoy .049 diesel.
Taught myself to mix diesel fuel, tune a diesel engine, and fly control line. Then taught my two best friends to fly control line. We wore that airplane out, but not that great little engine. Went through several replacement wings, and many rubber O-rings for the McCoy contra piston. Not to mention more than a few 6X4 wood props.
Bill
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Those Kaysuns were the best props for the Atwood wasps and like engines. I used their 5.5 X 4 but now think that the actual pitch was more than likely a 3". I wish that I still had some.
Bigiron
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I used red Kaysun 5.5 x 4 props on OK Cubs and Wasps, early '50s. Nice props!
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Musta been in '52 0r '53. Cox TD-1 that my father bought for me (us). A red one with the aluminum wings, it was fabulous! Flew it to death!! Then used the motor in later balsa models, but it seemed like none of them flew like the TD-1 untill I was a little more sophisticated in my building!
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Hey De...
That's amazing...I learned to fly the same year with precisely the same equipment, in KC MO. Didn't have a cut down elevator though.
Small World!
I still have the Forster .29.
Randy Cuberly
Hi Randy,
There was a guy named Bud Shepherd who taught all us neighborhood kids to fly. When I heard from him many years ago, He lived in California and flew r/c. I don't think any of the kids from the old neighbohood fly anything.
What's the saying? "Many are called, but few are chosen."
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Cox PT-19. Probably 1971 or 72.
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!954 Ringmaster with a K&B 19. Ed Stone of decator Alabama taught me how to fly.
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Comet trainer with Merlin 23 sideport, ignition - about 1947 or 48....
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d
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My friend John B.'s Scientific "Stuntmaster" with a Babe Bee .049. Then my Sterling Yak-9.
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My first flight was on a WenMac .049 T6 Army trainer of some type. Been so long ago I can not remember the exact name. That was around 1964
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Mine was a Chrome painted plastic P-51 Testor or Cox I think. By the time I got done with it, the fuel had removed a lot of the paint and the plastic was red. Too many one point landings cracked the internal built in tank. Early 70's.
:-\ If you can say those things flew.
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All balsa Testors 29 with a O&R 29 69 yrs. ago. H^^
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Carl Goldberg Lil Wizard with Cox Babe Bee .049 in 1965 at the age 0f 12.
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For me it was a Veco Warrier powered by a McCoy 29 Sportsman. That was 63 years ago!
Clancy
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Tried an aero-mite I got for my 10th birthday. Anderson "spitfire .045 1951. actually learned to fly(self taught) with a Bill Warner Strato-cat, O and R "bluehead" 29. Learned to inside loop it, killed it trying to do outside loops. I got an o n r 29 off eBay almost got a Strat too. It got to expensive I think it went for 367.00 didn't want it that bad. That little 29 is like new. the Strat will show up again someday,before I'm dead I hope. Jim
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It was summer of 1958. The plane was a Scientific "American Boy" with a WenMac .049 (spring starter) engine out of a plastic RTF my grandfather gave me for Christmas 1957 (made 1/2 lap on Christmas day before I almost did my first wingover). The American Boy was an immediate success . I managed to fly out the (1/2 oz) tank on the first flight with that one, but then quickly learned to make repairs. After the American Boy was fuel soaked (painted with 10 cent bottles of Testor's dope), the same engine was put in a Baby Ringmaster later that summer. My next plane (1959) was a "Whiplash" with an infamous Fox .09 (the one with the integral tank...which I cut off with a hacksaw).....and the saga continues.
Bob
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I learned to fly control line at 14 years old in 1953 with a Firebaby with a Wasp .049 engine in Burbank CA. I did a couple climbs, dives, wingovers, and a couple single loops on the first flight. On the second flight I did 3 consecutive loops and flew it inverted about 1 1/2 laps. I remember going to the LHS to get new spare wings as there were many crashes to come later. I won my first stunt contest, Jr Stunt, the next year with the same Wasp in a Mini Zilch in Salt Lake City. I got farther through the pattern before crashing than the others.
My first big model was a Sterling Mustang profile with a Fox .35. I learned the full pattern on this ship. The nose was glued back on many times during it's year long life's life.
Jim Rhoades
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A Buster with a Fox Stunt 35. The wings were covered with red silk. Very heavy but taught me to fly and took a beating. Great trainer!!!!!
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I don't remember the FF models I started flying somewhere around 1948, except maybe for some Walker Gliders, Hornets, and Ceiling Hoppers, and I do recall the frustrations of trying to start a Wen-Mac on a plastic ARF I got for Christmas 1949 or 50, but my first CL flying really started around 1956 with an Enterprise profile P-51 and the O. K. Cub .099 I bought myself around 1949. Shortly after I got to where I could get several flightw without needing the tube of Ambroid, I chucked that old Wen Mac in a vise, connected a Walker Ballon tank, filled it with Fox Blast or High Nitro (not sure which name they used the), top Flite 7-3 wood prop, and with a lot of flipping and playing with the needle valve, got one run. The prop actually freewheeled to a stop when the fuel ran out. I actually burned up my first engine. But not the last!
I still have the Cubb. It still runs. Almost as much power as some of my Black Widows.
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In all this 1/2A flying, how many remember or used "Kaysun" plastic props. These were the only ones our 5 & 10 carried. D>K
The Kaysuns were all that Welborn Hardware had as well as Charley's Hobby Shop. I used the 6-3 and 6-4 on my OK Cub .049A. Then when the Cox engines started appearing the Kaysuns were no longer stocked. Had to start using the Grish and Top Flite. H^^
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For me it was a Scientific Stuka with an Atwood/Wen Mac .049 on the nose. Don't remember flying it much past a few days. I started flying my Goldberg Stuntman 23 w/Golden Bee right away. On that I learned loops, eights and inverted flying between fruit trees in the back yard. That was 1964. Just recently got a remake kit of the stuntman and put a Killer Bee on it. I get a kick out of flying my nostalgic piece once in a while-have told my grandson (who just flew his first contest) to keep his hands off! It's grandpa's toy! D>K
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You forgot to brag a little. Dave's grandson made an attempt in wind that some guys left their plane on the ground. If he doesn't get disgusted, he will be flying better than grandpa in a couple of years. Did I mention the young lad got a first in basic flying. H^^
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I think I had a couple Kaysun props in 6-3. For some reason, I visualize them as being a clear plastic? Or am I confusing them with another clear plastic prop that I tried once. I was maybe 13 or 14, running a Cub .049 on Blast in my back yard. The prop shed a blade that flew about 15 feet and stuck in the wood siding of the nieghbor's house. Taught me some respect for one of those rotating meat slicers. 55 years later, props still kind of worry me.
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I emember a clear platic prop that Charley had a box of in the shop. Don't think it was Kaysun as they were always red. The clear ones were taken off the shelf for some reason. H^^
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Sounds like the one I'm thinking of. I still seem to remember being fascinated by rays streaming out from the hub into the blades. Tody, over 50 years later, I'd probably recognize them as stress risers.
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Back in the early 70's with my dad. He tought me with a Cox PT19 trainer Ahhh the good old days........
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I emember a clear platic prop that Charley had a box of in the shop. Don't think it was Kaysun as they were always red. The clear ones were taken off the shelf for some reason. H^^
"Scamper" props? Those were clear plastic -- and dangerous!
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COX PT19 in 1972. Firat real plane was the ringmaster jr. with fox .19 or .20 (can't remember) n~
-Dan
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Ringmaster Jr, Hope .19, U-Reely, Chicago, Ill, 1964.