Author Topic: What is it? (Read 1253 times)

Norm Faith Jr. · « **on:** March 12, 2023, 09:46:37 PM »

What is this engine? It's water-cooled.

Ken Culbertson · « **Reply #1 on:** March 12, 2023, 11:25:33 PM »

Quote from: Norm Faith Jr. on March 12, 2023, 09:46:37 PM

What is this engine? It's water-cooled.

Heavy

Dan McEntee · « **Reply #2 on:** March 12, 2023, 11:37:52 PM »

While it looks like an an engine, we can't see the top of it for what it has for ignition. Spark plug? Looks like a flywheel with a groove for a drive belt or starter. Looks like a guide or alignment pin on the side with the "exhaust". I want to see more of it.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee

Norm Faith Jr. · « **Reply #3 on:** March 13, 2023, 10:41:15 AM »

Quote from: Dan McEntee on March 12, 2023, 11:37:52 PM

While it looks like an an engine, we can't see the top of it for what it has for ignition. Spark plug? Looks like a flywheel with a groove for a drive belt or starter. Looks like a guide or alignment pin on the side with the "exhaust". I want to see more of it.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee

Found some more

john e. holliday · « **Reply #4 on:** March 13, 2023, 10:48:27 AM »

The last photos show that this must be a diesel engine. The screw in the head is for compression adjustment.

Ken Culbertson · « **Reply #5 on:** March 13, 2023, 10:59:05 AM »

My guess is a boat motor from the 50's and that is just a guess.

Ken

L0U CRANE · « **Reply #6 on:** March 13, 2023, 11:44:45 AM »

No idea...probably a diesel - if the screw works a contra-piston...

The two tubes below exhaust stack height are more likely cooling water-in and -out connections.

Interesting.

John Carrodus · « **Reply #7 on:** March 13, 2023, 12:17:26 PM »

Norm if you live near a small lake, build yourself a one man boat and use it to harl for trout.

Dan McEntee · « **Reply #8 on:** March 13, 2023, 12:33:36 PM »

Upon further review, I think it may be some sort of pump. What looks like a carburetor is some sort of metering device for flow. I thought of the possibility of it being a diesel, but don't see any water intake or discharge, unless that is a tub below the "exhaust, and is a water intake, and and some how exits with the exhaust. I don't see any signs of heat from any kind of ignition. The markings on the side of the mounting lug are interesting. Similar to markings like you would see on a foreign built carburetor like a Bing. Definitely a curiosity!
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee

Dave Rigotti · « **Reply #9 on:** March 13, 2023, 12:49:27 PM »

Nope...Its an engine. I can see cooling inlet and outlet pipes for cooling. I can also see a tube for fuel on the needle side of the carb. Whether its a diesel or glow remains to be determined.

Quote from: Dan McEntee on March 13, 2023, 12:33:36 PM

Upon further review, I think it may be some sort of pump. What looks like a carburetor is some sort of metering device for flow. I thought of the possibility of it being a diesel, but don't see any water intake or discharge, unless that is a tub below the "exhaust, and is a water intake, and and some how exits with the exhaust. I don't see any signs of heat from any kind of ignition. The markings on the side of the mounting lug are interesting. Similar to markings like you would see on a foreign built carburetor like a Bing. Definitely a curiosity!
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee

Ken Culbertson · « **Reply #10 on:** March 13, 2023, 03:34:19 PM »

Quote from: Dan McEntee on March 13, 2023, 12:33:36 PM

The markings on the side of the mounting lug are interesting. Similar to markings like you would see on a foreign built carburetor like a Bing. Definitely a curiosity!

Is it perhaps just that - a carburetor? Does it have a piston and does it have compression? It is either belt driven or drives a belt. I seriously do not think a prop was ever on it.

Ken

Steve Dwyer · « **Reply #11 on:** March 13, 2023, 04:48:50 PM »

Could it be some sort of pressure regulator?

Steve

Chuck Matheny · « **Reply #12 on:** March 13, 2023, 05:14:13 PM »

Just a wild guess... it's a 1/2 HP diesel engine for a Rumanian clothes washing machine that had a 100 to 1 drive ratio...?

Steve Dwyer · « **Reply #13 on:** March 13, 2023, 05:29:11 PM »

Dismantle it to get a better understanding.

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #14 on:** March 13, 2023, 05:56:17 PM »

I suspect it is an old Maytag etc., washing machine motor from the 20s- 40s. My grandparents had one out in the yard when I was a kid. In later years the machine became a big flower pot- and an interesting thing to talk about. It used a kick start like an old motor cycle. Had to be outside because of the engine fumes and noise. Wish I knew what happened to the machine.....I could be a wealthy feller if I had a working model to sell.

Dave

Dave Rigotti · « **Reply #15 on:** March 13, 2023, 06:53:21 PM »

I'm doubting its from a washing machine.

wwwarbird · « **Reply #16 on:** March 13, 2023, 07:05:24 PM »

I''m with Doc, it's a diesel Sumthineruther. With the starter pulley it's probably from an old tether car or boat. Definitely nothing like the Maytag motor in the video. Whatever the case, I'd consider it great ammunition for a three man slingshot.

Air Ministry . · « **Reply #17 on:** March 13, 2023, 07:37:06 PM »

This is a STRANGE ; It dosnt look much like one to me ! .

Tim Wescott · « **Reply #18 on:** March 13, 2023, 08:17:20 PM »

Probably a diesel boat engine. The "pins" underneath the exhaust and on the opposite side right under the head are tubes, so I'm thinking they're the coolant.

Fly a Ringmaster with it, if you don't mind building a radiator!

AMV · « **Reply #19 on:** March 14, 2023, 01:05:30 PM »

It resembles a very crude version of the old model boat diesels, but with the carb surprisingly in front.
The giant spool in the front is just a flywheel.
The way that block is cast kinda makes me wonder whether it's a home-built job.
I also wonder whether the "F10 / 53" stamp on the side has anything to do with the year it was made...

For comparison, here are a few pics of the E.D 3.46 Mk IV. They are museum pieces at this point:

However, just looking at the apparent heft of the thing in your photo, it's probably closer in design specs to the Miles Special 10cc Marine:

Miles Special 10cc Marine
The E.D. Story
Basil Miles, the chief engine designer at E.D.

Disclaimer: I have no idea what I'm talking about. I simply dug into the guts of the interwebz because I had some time and it's interesting research. Someone with knowledge of model marine diesels of 1946-1960s vintage will know better.

Cheers,

-Andrey

AMV · « **Reply #20 on:** March 14, 2023, 01:44:59 PM »

p.s. The unique thing about the design of your specimen is that while most marine engines of the day utilized the water cooler as an attachment, this one appears to have the water cooling as a built-in feature of the casting. Definitely neat.

-Andrey

Norm Faith Jr. · « **Reply #21 on:** March 14, 2023, 05:38:31 PM »

Some more pics.

Norm Faith Jr. · « **Reply #22 on:** March 14, 2023, 05:39:39 PM »

Some more

Norm Faith Jr. · « **Reply #23 on:** March 14, 2023, 05:46:29 PM »

These pictures were downloaded from a site on facebook "Stunt Team Palermo." The poster said the fitting in the top of the head is like a plug. Not an adjustable device for a diesel engine. Also, the threads would not fit a glow plug. As you can see it has an exhaust manifold. BTW the poster didn't know what it is either.
Norm

Norm Faith Jr. · « **Reply #24 on:** March 14, 2023, 05:52:57 PM »

This was what was posted along with the pictures.

Paul Ironmonger
4d
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Hello, just wondering if anyone out there recognises this engine, it's stamped as F10/53 on the side of the mounting lug. It has a deflector piston setup from peering through the exhaust port. Turns over smoothly with a good seal on the piston/liner fits. There's a brass threaded insert where I believe a glow plug should be, it'sthe right size for a glow plug but the thread is not the same as a modern glow plug so wondering if there was ever a glow plug with a courser pitched threadto what we use these day's.
I feel it's maybe not a diesel engine, but a glow engine from the feel of the compression ratio. Also this engine does not have a contra piston setup to allow for adjustable compression as usually required for a diesel engine but dies not rule out it's a fixed compression diesel setup.
It's water cooled and weighs a considerable amount! It has it's exhaust manifold as well.
The crankcase is a casting and the front of the crankcase looks like a casting as well.
Any help would be much appreciated as I would love to give it a run.

Air Ministry . · « **Reply #25 on:** March 14, 2023, 06:31:38 PM »

There were a awful lot ( and still are ) of home made engines , in ye olde blighty ( the U. K. ) as it rains all the time , so there has to be some escape from her indoors .

A Sudgeon Special was one ' kit ' ( a casting ) it could well be a similar device from their model boating fraternaty . Was Model & allied Publications , once .

http://www.modelenginenews.org/sugden/index.html

Then theres the STEAM TRAIN Crowd , little ones . SO . The likelyhood is it was made by Lepracauns in a cave in the Welsh Mountains . Perhaps . $:-\$